User talk:IdreamofJeanie

A barnstar for you!

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	For fantastic work on defending Wikipedia. scope_creep (talk) 10:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Giallume

Why don't you like giallume? Giallume is love, it's life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.90.49.245 (talk) 13:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

French words and phrases

Re: your reverts at Menu, etc. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Major differences. The subject of the article Menu is the thing itself, not the word. It is incorrect to categorize the article Menu in Category:French words and phrases. The etymology of the English word "menu" is a proper subject for Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. It is at best of perpipheral relevance to the article. --Srleffler (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

by that logic that, and similar cats would all be empty as (almost) all articles are about "something", not "the word used to describe/reference it". presumably "fait acompli" doesn't belong, as the fait acompli itself isn't french, it's just the word that's French, same with "Encore" and "Deja vu". The catagory is French WORDS.IdreamofJeanie (talk) 17:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

We do sometimes have articles about words and phrases. For inclusion in such a category, an article should actually be about the word or phrase. Beauf is an article that is explicitly about a French word. Menu is not.--Srleffler (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Fait accompli, properly, doesn't have an article. Encore doesn't belong in this category for the reasons stated. Deja vu certainly doesn't belong, but Déjà vu is at least arguable.--Srleffler (talk) 17:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

See also WP:CATDEF. We categorize articles based on definining characteristics of the subject of the article, not the article's title. The subject of the article Menu is not the French word menu. It is the list of foods and beverages a customer can purchase.--Srleffler (talk) 17:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

French words and phrases

Re: Your multiple reverts at Retail. See Category:French words and phrases which clearly states that the category is "not for articles about concepts and things but only for articles about the words themselves." Etymologists suggest that the word, retail is a derivation of the French tailler - all of which is explained in the article itself. Thus retail is not a French term of itself, but rather a probable English derivation of a French term. Further, the article is concerned with retail as a commercial activitiy, rather than as a word or a term. The category French words and phrases is not suitable for inclusion in this article. 02:04, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Reversion with no explanation

Swimsuit Please explain why the link to the wikipedia Naturism article was deleted when it is the logical progression of the paragraph. Reversion without explanation is not nice. Malcolm Boura (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

No it's far from that. Swimsuit and Naturism are pretty much polar opposites. A couple of teenagers skinny dipping would hardly consider themselves naturists. That sentance was quite simply out of place. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 09:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Unexpected reversion in Mathura

My edit has been allegedly removed even though the information provided was perfectly correct. If a few lines were too poetic for you to understand you could just have removed them but not the factual information. You definitely wouldn't like to rebuke because I've lived there for a decade. Srdtheking (talk) 18:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Holi Occurs all over Indian Subcontinent and is hardly "Synonymous" with just one city, and your rather flowery description reads like an extract from a travel guide to promote your city. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. One thing is certain. You're probably weak at mathematics. If A relates to B, is it really necessary that B relates to A in a well defined form? Think hard. I never associated Holi's synonymity with Mathura rather vice versa. What I meant to say was simply that the fame of the Holi celebrations in Mathura reach far and wide. And whenever you talk of Mathura, after Krishna, Holi itself follows. If not then maybe the converser lacks proper knowledge of the subject. As for the flowery description you could have just burnt it and reverted it to your husky interest rather than deleting everything; even the facts. If a cultural specialty being highlighted seems to you like an intentional promotion, then you're deeply mistaken. Please respect new editors and help them as a senior if you really are a worthy editor. Srdtheking (talk) 09:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Relevance is not symmetrical. One subject can be highly relevant to another, while the second subject is not very relevant to the first at all. Saying that one thing is "synonymous" with another, though, implies a strong bidirectional relation. I don't know anything about Mathura or Holi, but if the latter is widely celebrated throughout India then saying that Mathura is "synonymously identified" with Holi is clearly wrong. You may have had a correct idea in mind, but chose an incorrect phrase to express it.--Srleffler (talk) 18:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Need attention :)

Hello! An old dispute that you were involved in has been brought up again. Your opinion is greatly valued. Thank you! KevinNinja (talk) 00:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Edits to bondage

Those images are inappropriate! Young kids and people that can't stand things like that can see it! It's sexual content! Pancakes654 22:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pancakes654 (talk • contribs)

This is an encyclopedia if "people can't stand things like that" why would they be looking at BDSM in an encylopedia? Yes it's sexual content, in an encyclopedia articla about a sexual practice. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Reverting my edits on TrustoCorp

I'dlike to know what was the reason for your reverting of my edits on the article TrustoCorp. Thanks in advance for your answer.Lyupant (talk) 10:27, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

your edits seemed pretty much unsourced commentary and wholly NPOV. "Citizens of America delight in this art" indeed. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 11:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Qrendi

An article that you have been involved in editing—Qrendi —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Beckettnoti (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry

But what does this mean? <!--Consensus is to use ''Queen of Scotland''-->[[Queen of Scotland]] Deb (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

It means that that phrase is being changed to and fro in a slow moving edit war and that at some time in the past a discussion settled on one to try and stop the constant bloody squabbling, not that that seems to be working, looking at the last 20 - 30 edits to this page. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I was just confused by Lelin19's edit history.Deb (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:King's Potong ice cream

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WP:UAA reports on users with no edits

Generally, there is no reason to report usernames with no edits whatsoever. Per WP:UAAI: "Wait until the user edits. Do not report a user that hasn't edited unless they are clearly a vandal. We do not want to welcome productive editors with a report at UAA, nor do we want to waste our time dealing with accounts that may never be used." The exceptions are obvious hate speech or names that attack a living person/Wikipedia editor, those are blockable even without any edits, but other run-of-the-mill violations need not be reported unless and until they at least attempt to edit, and you should be able to clearly explain what the problem is if it is not immediately evident.

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incident

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.24.31.102 (talk) 14:20, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

IP blocked - sockpuppet. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping out at the Clitoris article and at other contentious articles. If you ever see any edit made to the Clitoris article that you find problematic, please revert. I'll eventually be there at the article's talk page to weigh in. AnaSoc is a new editor, and so requires some guidance, but she has also been somewhat stubborn. Hopefully, she will do as advised and propose changes on the talk page before making them (unless, of course, they are unlikely to be contested). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Brillantmont international School

i made a huge note of the life of students in the boarding school and you deleted it, why ? User talk:185.10.225.98 thanks to answer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.10.225.98 (talk) 19:50, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for coming here and asking. Wikipedia policy on external links is to limit one "official" link to subject's website - clearly anyone wishing to learn more about the school can navigate the school's website without a dozen links to it from Wikipedia. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

"Spam gone"

We are a UK publishing house of Anthony Burgess, amongst others. Please clarify "Spam gone." action. Jonny walsh (talk) 13:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a free advertising project. Your use of the word "We" in the above comment amply demonstrates that your purpose is promotional. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 13:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Thompson Submachine Gun

Hello, I want to talk about the Thompson Submachine Gun which we do not seem to agree on. I wanted to ask why you disapproved of my section on the article, as I thought it was a useful edition to it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheScottishElephant (talk • contribs) 05:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

And I, like Hohum before me, think it is useless trivia. It says much more about Pike than it does about the TSG. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 09:04, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

No it is a pop culture reference of a tommy gun — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheScottishElephant (talk • contribs) 21:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Finish basketball

Why did you remove all my external links? They were all fine. Thanks in advance. Igoreurobasket (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia's Externalk links and Spam policies. Your contributions to Wikikpedia consist solely of placing links to your website (or at least the website that you have named yourself after), and you have been warned twice before that wikipedia is not here to collect spam links. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 16:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

So...what? Some of the Wiki pages don't even have information that we have, why to remove it? We have it all, current rosters, current stats. Why not allowed people to see that?Igoreurobasket (talk) 16:34, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Have you read the two guidelines I linked to previously? Link to club page is Ok, spam links to your page is not. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but i was not spamming. I wanted to share information for one entire league and that's it.

Igoreurobasket (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:58, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Unexplained reverts

Hi. Some of your recent activities seem random and illogical (perhaps you didn't bother to read the articles in question). Could you please provide a brief rationale for your unexplained spate of rollbacks to the articles Danish slave trade, Thrall, Slavery in Sweden, and Slavery in Denmark? A good place to do this would be on each article's talk page. Cheers.

really? The previous redirects are more approriate.IdreamofJeanie (talk) 09:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I will start the discussions on those talk pages, then you can simply weigh in as to why you feel that your edits are appropriate, e.g. your removal of Category:Slavery in Norway. Again, it does seem rather random and incoherent.

Proposed deletion of File:Text sandwich example.jpg

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Puberty article

If you see something like this from that editor, do please revert. Matters have already been explained to him at Talk:Adult. Sources do not support what the editor keeps adding. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Powerbomb.tv issue

I dont why and don't see whats the problem if their is any problem with the article to be speedy deleted send me a message and telling me why. SockerPunch234 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Powerbomb.tv

Hello IdreamofJeanie. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Powerbomb.tv, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: seems signiificant enough (have a look at GNews as well), use WP:AFD instead. Thank you. SoWhy 14:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Mir sayyid ali hamadani

Why you delete mir sayyid Ali Hamdani name , Hamadani suffism (talk) 05:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hamadani suffism: I deleted your edit for the reason I gave in the edit summary. Nowhere in the article does it say that Mohhamed Iqbal was influenced in any way by Hamandi, and you have not provided a source to back up your assertion. Please do not add again without a reliable source. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 23:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I have problem in edit

Please help me Hamadani suffism (talk) 05:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Frank Spring

Do not be so hasty to edit! you will see Frank Stuart Spring now has an article and is a considerably more important figure--Stephencdickson (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Please don't be so hasty adding red links, please see Wikipedia:Write the article first. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Titanic pocket watch image

Why was my image of the pocketwatch removed? Uncoveringcelebrityhistory (talk) 02:05, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

No real significance: an unimportant artifact, belonging to an unidentified person. Adds nothing to the article. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Well I'd have thought a pocketwatch that was recovered as floating debris from the actual sinking of the ship wouldn't be regarded as an "unimportant artifact" It was to be used to really illustrate the moment the ship sank. But I'm sure you have better artifacts than my "insignificant, unimportant artifacts"?

Uncoveringcelebrityhistory (talk) 09:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Feta

Greetings,sorry for adressing you but could you explain why you undid my revision on the article you have not provided a summary.Thanks beforehand AlbusTheWhite (talk) 06:37, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Afternoon Albus. Sorry, I thought the edit summary "Overlinking" was sufficient, but please look at WP:Overlinking, which says: "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." Which means Not in every paragraph. I am rereverting your edit. cheers IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you.You are actually right on that one AlbusTheWhite (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Um??

There was a band just above my edit that doesn't even have a redlink. Why don't you remove them, too? I'm planning on creating the article Lucifer (occult rock band) which will show the notability. Signed to a label directly owned by a big-3, much media coverage lately. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

the purpose of a disambiguation page is to point readers to articles, as stated at the bottom of every disambiguation page, in this case: This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title Lucifer. No article, no need for a plug on a dab page. if you intend to write an article then feel free to actually write the article. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Please explain your edit summary

The stable version of Airey Neave can be seen on the left hand side of this diff. The edit by 164.177.114.70 was then repeated by Steamy202 (an editor with a history of dubious edits). I even explained my reasoning for wishing to retain the stable wording on the talk page at Talk:Airey Neave#Assassination is murder.... If you object to my second change (I will concede the letter 's' was missing, it keeps sticking on my keyboard) that is one thing, but the stable version of the article's lead is this from August, and I ask you please restore that at least. Thank you. 2.221.168.203 (talk) 09:08, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I simply looked at three ramdom versions from earlier in the year which all said the same thing, and restored to the established version. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 09:15, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Benadryl

Hi, IdreamofJeanie, I was wondering why you reverted. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry but i felt your edit was unsuitable because: 1) the image is not a good image of the product. 2) Your caption does not meet normal standards for captions, and 3) Wikipedia is not here to give advise (Don't do this!). IdreamofJeanie (talk) 14:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, please stop reverting my edits! I provided references after you reverted the first time! 213.205.198.90 (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Please check what you are reverting. A lot of the info is already in the article in different areas and I added 2 refs not just the one you mentioned in your edit summary. Upsetting to put work into something to have someone keep removing it without actually looking at it. Puts me off signing up to Wikipedia to edit 213.205.198.90 (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Bohemian Rhapsody - Bryan Singer Info

Considering the lawsuit was filed within a week of him leaving the film, I do consider it relevant information to the film. I in no way cast aspersions on his guilt, but merely highlight the fact that this happened, and allow people to see that maybe his leaving less than a week before these lawsuits were made may have influenced the reason for his leaving. Many people may not realise the credited director of this film has these allegations against him, and the knowledge of this may impact their desire to spend money to watch it. I believe the information to be fair and accurate, and with all due respect, I do not believe you have the right to decide if it's relevant to the film or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ObliqueNinja (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bohemian Rhapsody (film). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Why did you do that?

Why did you revert my edits to List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles? Seriously dude, it took my entire lunch period to make those edits. 50.204.8.129 (talk) 20:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Argead Dynasty

I noticed you reverted my edit on the Argead Dynasty page. I have just undone your edit however I would like to clarify why I changed it in the first place (and would of course like you to clarify why you reverted it). If you go to the Philip of Macedon page, you will see in the first paragraph (3rd sentence) it says "The rise of Macedon, its conquest ... of Classical Greece" (emphasis is mine). I thought you had to be a conqueror to have a conquest? Macedonia (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

England

I should have made it clearer that there was a relevant discussion on Talk:London where it was deduced that there is no evidence that London is the capital of England (especially considering there is no government for just England). IWI (chat) 22:24, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Hardly neded in infobox, put it in the body of the article if you like, and WP:SMALLTEXT also applies here: Avoid using smaller font sizes in elements that already use a smaller font size, such as infoboxes, navboxes, and reference sections. In no case should the resulting font size drop below 85% of the page's default font size (i.e. 11.9 px in Vector skin or 10.8 px in Monobook). IdreamofJeanie (talk)

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Help, please?

Hi Jeanie, you edited Mohamed Said's page, the actor from Sweden. I see you are a trusted memeber and was wondering if you can tell me who the account "Msaids" is, who keeps vandalizing the profile. I am Mohamed Said, and he keeps editing my profile writing racist false information. Can you see his Ip? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.15.212.33 (talk) 22:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't have access to that sort of information. I made one edit to that page because i spotted a grammatical error, but know nothing at all about Said himself (which is why I didn't notice the vandalism). Sorry but I really can't help you. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 11:16, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Your use of rollback and your message to a new user

Hi IdreamofJeanie! I hope your holiday season was both fun and stress-free and that you enjoyed it. :-) I'm messaging you because I have concerns regarding a recent event where you reverted edits by another user and left (what I felt) was a warning that was worded too harshly. While patrolling recent changes, I ran across the edit history of History of the United States and noticed the good faith edits made by Blipbop here, and that you used rollback to revert them (diff). This user's edits were good faith attempts to be bold and improve the project; the user just wasn't aware of Wikipedia's guidelines regarding capitalization in section headers.

After seeing the revert you made, I took a look at Blipbop's user talk page to see what kind of warning or notice you left them. I'll start by saying that I'm pleased to see that you took the time to leave this user a message in your own words instead of templating them with a warning. However, we need to talk about how you worded this message to the user and what we can do to improve messages like this in the future. The section of your message began with, "Section headings do NOT use upper case", and with the word 'not' written in all capital letters (which typically conveys that you're yelling the word loudly toward them), and then starts (and basically ends) with, "Please stop capitalising section headings. That is not the way Wikipedia choses (sic) to work."

It obviously goes without saying: your use of rollback was not appropriate in this situation, and the edits should have instead been reverted with an appropriate edit summary with an explanation. Your follow-up message to the user you reverted had an inappropriately punitive tone, and I felt that you bit this user a bit harshly with how you communicated with them about the edits. This user has only made 28 edits to Wikipedia; he's brand new here and not yet aware of most of the policies and guidelines that you and I both know by heart (including the manual of style guideline you pointed out to them in your message). We encourage editors to be bold and edit Wikipedia without worrying so-much about the rules but instead with how to improve the project. When we use rollback inappropriately to revert good-faith edits (which can already start things off on the wrong foot, since rollback is to be used for vandalism) and then follow up with such stern and punitive-sounding messages, we send users mixed signals, leave them feeling confused or feeling like they did something wrong when they didn't, and it discourages them from wanting to contribute and be part of the community.

I just wanted to message you to bring this matter to your attention (in case you weren't aware), and to voice these concerns so that you can learn from them and keep them in mind with your future edits. We want to be welcoming, respectful, kind, and helpful to our new editors by default, and give them an opportunity to learn and want to grow and stay on Wikipedia as a contributor. I hope my message was informative and helpful to you and that it didn't come off as an attempt to scold you, wag my finger at you, or put you down in any way. I want what's best for this project, and I'm sure that you do too. :-) Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, or input about this message (please ping me in your response so that I get a notice), and I'll be happy to discuss things further and help you in any way that you need. Thanks for taking the time to read this message, and I hope you have a great day and a memorable and safe New Year. :-) Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:51, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Your note on the talk page of Gibraltar

Hi!

I saw your note to me in the Gibraltar talk page about "hammering the same line". It worried me: does it really look like I am not offering alternatives to build consensus? In any case, the point of view of a third person is always welcome!

My view is that I have proposed many options for the sake of consensus: my initial proposal was to add new information about the Gibraltarian legacy in the surrounding area when the Spanish left Gibraltar after the takeover. When I saw there was no consensus, I forgot about that new information and proposed to change the name of destination of Gibraltarian refugees to "San Roque", then (following your suggestion, thanks by the way!) to replace the word "exodus" with the word "flight", then I proposed to keep the current phrase in the article, then I proposed adding qualifiers... but all of those proposals were rejected by the same couple of editors.

The discussion in the talk page is very long, tiring and boring and.. honestly, I am running out of alternative proposals. So... if you want to drop your opinion there it will be more than welcome.

Thanks! - Imalbornoz (talk) 18:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)