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BLP-related things

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Gifts for my friends (and my enemies)

This user believes in the liberal use of semi-protection for Biographies of living people.

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This user believes in the use of semi-protection for all Biographies of living people.

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see User:Lar/Liberal_Semi

...per our discussion. Note, your TPWs are more than welcome to add articles to the list, and/or spread the word. ++Lar: t/c 03:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for helping out! Enigma^msg 03:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! :) لenna vecia 03:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Something I'll probably forget about

...and might be relevant to your interests. If it's worthwhile, perhaps you'd consider taking it under the wings of your nascent BLP cabal? Ciao, Skomorokh 18:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw this. Apologies for not commenting earlier. This is a good idea. Not a coder myself, so can't help there, but I'll surely be one to participate otherwise. Thanks for dropping me a note about it. :) Oh, and be careful with that cabal-talk. We've already been labeled! >_> لenna vecia 22:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! I posted another related proposal, but they're useless without someone technical doing the work. Best of luck with WP:WPBLP (and sorry for the name-calling), Skomorokh 01:56, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For an update on this, User:Mr.Z-man has nobly stepped up to the plate and coded a bot, which has been speedily approved. Skomorokh 19:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. Thanks for the update. لenna vecia 19:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the TPSs, here we go: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Watchlist. لenna vecia 13:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

75 views in June. Oh well. Skomorokh 19:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Novel idea is novel. It needs greater advertisement. لenna vecia 19:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BLP GAs

tools:~mzmcbride/lara-blp-gas.txt. Lara 21:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another BLP ping

Just wanted to point you to Wikipedia:ARFR#Is_BLP_adequately_enforced?, in case you would like to comment. Regards, --JN466 19:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New protection template for BLPs

{{pp-semi-blp}} Lara 15:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Messages

Keep on truckin'

I just wanted to let you know that although I can't vote on your request for oversight, I think you should be granted the abilities. You seem like a good admin, which is not as common as it should be on Wikipedia. The very fact that so many people on the oppose list are known to be, shall we say, of questionable reliability, (Scarian, for example) is proof enough that you should be granted oversight abilities. Bad people will always oppose the good. Worldruler20 (talk) 03:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks. :) Lara 03:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Has Scarian not been desysopped yet? Amazing! --Malleus Fatuorum 03:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He has been. Lara 04:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good. --Malleus Fatuorum 04:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Explaining BLP1E....

Would you be interesting in providing feedback for User:Jclemens/WIALPI? I'm planning on moving it into WP space at some point, and thought you'd be an excellent first reviewer prior to any such action. Jclemens (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll chip in - I think your definition of "Low profile, notable" is inadequate, and "While low profile generally corresponds to low notability" is very misleading. Because you're generally using media figures as examples, it's skewing the figures; if anything, I'd hazard a guess that "Low profile, notable" outnumbers "high profile, notable" quite significantly. LP/N covers countless scientists, athletes (even at the highest level - try finding interviews with Paul Scholes, for example), business leaders, quite a few politicians (particularly at the local level), military and police figures... Or are you using "notable" in this essay in a specific sense of "deserving of an article even if the subject objects"? – iridescent 21:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you've hit on the part of the proto-essay that I'm struggling with the most. I'm considering dropping it entirely, actually, since the primary focus of the essay is to define "low profile" and entangling it with notability concerns directly may be too unclear or contentious. Jclemens (talk) 21:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'd agree that tangling it with notability is too confusing. To stick with the Paul Scholes example, as he's such a good example, he's notoriously reclusive (the Personal life section will almost certainly never expand beyond the current "Scholes is an asthmatic. He lives with his wife, Claire, and his three children, Arron, Alicia and Aiden, on Saddleworth Moor, Oldham." and I'd question the necessity of the first sentence - but there's no possibility his article will ever be deleted even if he asked. There are countless people like this, and discussing them on the essay will just turn the debate into another iteration of "should we include Brandt". However, leaving notability out runs the risk of giving the impression that "not on Google" = "deletable", which also needs to be carefully avoided. – iridescent 22:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I took that section out, leaving one sentence in the introduction in its place. Jclemens (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering about asthmatic, until I realized he was a soccer player... as a soccer player, I can see it having value as he is a professional athlete despite being an asthmatic. (His profession gives it credence, whereas a computer programmer who happened to be astmatic would not.)---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, another one, which all you TPS's are welcome to review as well: User:Jclemens/WI1E. Jclemens (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedian of the Week

Congratulations, Jennavecia! For your kindness to others, your hard work around the wiki, and for being a great user, you have been awarded the "Wikipedian of the Week" award for this week! Keep up the great work!
Note: You could also receive the top award, "Wikipedian of the Month" for this month!
If you wish, you can add {{User:Midnight Comet/WOTW/UBX|<first day of this weekly cycle>|<last day of this weekly cycle>}} to your userpage.

Happy editing!

[midnight comet] [talk] 01:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. Thanks. :) Lara 14:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Main Page - Featured Article Today

Today's featured article - this'd make you somewhat joyous I expect? Good stuff.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 02:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, congrats! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! I just hiccuped. Law_{type! snype?} 03:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats! Allow me to be the first to present you the following userbox:

This user helped promote Maynard James Keenan to featured article status.

Very well done :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 03:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lara already has this featured star on her user page - but well, she'll probably enjoy getting a second one.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 03:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Woooooooooooooo! Thanks, guys! \o/ Lara 03:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nicely done. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 06:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats. Good work. ;) — Ched : ? 08:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats, Lara...we need more admins and editors like you! :) Willking1979 (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work, congrats on the TFA day. :) Cirt (talk) 15:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Ees verry nice, za feachord arteecl. Now, we can make seksy time togetha? Goodmorningworld (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Belated congrats! I know how hard you worked on that one! --Jayron32 01:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question and help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Collier_Township_shooting

Can you look at this? I think this article should be deleted but don't know how to do it and I don't know all the lingo to convince people. Basically, I think it was possibly noteworthy when it just happened but not convincingly so. I didn't do anything at first to give it the benefit of the doubt. Now I think it is just a news item. If there were continuing coverage, then maybe it would be notable. There is continuing coverage over John Hinckley, so no question he is notable.

If you think it should stay, tell me. If you think it should go, could you AFD it and I will watch to see how it is done well. Acme Plumbing (talk) 06:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mind if I ask why you're canvassing so hard to get this deleted? The story is covered in NY Post, USAToday, Reuters, Boston, LA Times, etc. It doesn't appear to be any less notable to me than Murder of Brian Stidham, although not as well fleshed out at this time. I understand about #NOTNEWS, but it seems to me to meet GNG quite easily. WP:N, WP:RS - I don't understand your reasoning. — Ched : ? 07:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a problem with it. Lara 17:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not canvassing. I am seeking an opinion. I did not seek anyone else's opinion. So it seems that a lot of coverage after the crime makes it ok for Wikipedia even if it is not covered again. If that is the way it is, it is ok with me. Acme Plumbing (talk) 03:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's still stories everyday in local papers. I know the article needs some work, and I'll try to get it cleaned up in the next week or two. I've just been waiting it out a bit till the fuss dies down. One of the guys I went to NIMS class with just got a big award as one of the first responders. If it had just been local coverage, I wouldn't have bothered creating the article, but when it hit USAToday and all - I wrote it up, and went over and took the pics. It needs work, but give me a bit of time here and I'll clean it up. ;) — Ched : ? 07:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Best Selling Artist

Hi Jenna. Im here to ask you if you can put your input on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists#Michael_Jackson_.28again.29 There is an editor there named Haruto who changed some sources to what he personally believed was correct thru his orginal research but its flawed because some artist on the same page (The top two artist) are getting special treatment and I beleive its bias. There is an admin there who wont close the discussion and I noticed he has left messages on the bias editors pages even though he says he remains neutral. I was just wondering if you can check it out. Please ITalkTheTruth (talk) 07:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sic

Hi. I took the greengrocer's apostrophe out of the Maynard article. Interesting case. If Keenan's original statement had not included the apostrophe, and the article that quoted him had added it, it would have been appropriate for us to take it out. If Keenan's statement was spoken, and transcribed by the website, it would be clear that the mistake was in the article. In that case, we could have removed it. Since it's unclear who made the mistake, it's appropriate to leave it in (with the "sic"). Personally, I'd leave it out anyway. :-) Too bad the source article didn't follow the same rigorous rules that we do, or it would have included a sic. Cheers! -Freekee (talk) 15:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I could be wrong, but I think we have to quote the source exactly as they have it. Not sure. But good catch. I hadn't even noticed the misspelling. Shows how often I've used the word spaghetties, which I apparently spelled wrong, or it's so uncommon the spell checker rejects it. XD Lara 16:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that we have to quote the source as-is. But in this case, it's a question of what the source is. If Keenan issued a press statement, and it had the word misspelled, then we'd reprint it misspelled. If Keenan spelled it correctly, and the reporting website misspelled it, then, since we're quoting Keenan, we'd correct it. There are grey areas. If our article was quoting what the website printed, we'd likely print the mistake. And in this case, we don't really know who made the error. Given Keenan's big brain, I'd go with it being the website's mistake. But since we have no proof, unless... ah, I found some. I found the same quote at several different websites, none with the false apostrophe. Now we not only know that we can correct it, we must. Of course, then the current link isn't a good one, since it won't match, so we'll have to change the reference. [1] [2] That Spinner one looks good, and it even has more info than the original Contactmusic.com reference. :-) -Freekee (talk) 17:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:AFG

As the Template:AFG has it's protection level due to high-risk template put to [edit=sysop:move=sysop] by User:East718 who is absent for th emoment according to his/her usertalk-page, I put some remarks on changes I consider as useful on the template talk page and I would be very gratteful if you could have a look at this. Best regards Robby (talk) 21:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check into it tomorrow. Lara 03:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Birthday...

...I presume? Jclemens (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Thank you! :) Lara 03:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, Happy Birthday from me as well! --Jayron32 03:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! <3 Lara 03:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea! ... Happy Birthday Lara!. Let's have a party. ;) — Ched : ? 04:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O, thank you! That reminds me, I have cake! \o/ Lara 04:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(nomnomnoms on cake) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Julian, that is Lara's cake! :D Happy Birthday Lara, don't let the age get you down ;-) Regards So Why 11:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The cake is not a lie? --Kim Bruning (talk) 11:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for grabbing the first slice - but WTH, I paid for the damn thing. ;-} — Ched : ? 12:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, guys! I'm not down about my age, by the way. I embrace getting older. :) Lara 14:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear. Girls usually mope when they get older. But then again I should have know that you are no typical girl ;-) So Why 14:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's true. :P Lara 14:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What have you done to my precious

...little stub? Not satisfied with acting as chief propagandist for the commercial interests of a one Mr. MJ Keenan, eh?! Btw, cheers for the rousing support in the trial by piranha, and for grasping the spelling of my nom de guerre. Have a jolly good birthday, Skomorokh 11:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, ya. You'd think that'd be a better paying position. Maybe Maynard will read it one day, be highly impressed, and bestow upon me countless gifts and appreciation... >_> Hey, anything is technically possible. XD Anyway, thanks for the birthday wishes... it was surely jolly good! Lara 14:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BLP question

May I have your opinion on the issues being discussed at Talk:Rashid Khalidi#Plagiarism claim and, in specific, the BLP subthread? I have not seen you around I/P articles, so I'm hoping you're neutral in that regard, and I know you believe strongly in BLP protections, so I am interested in your comments. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 15:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) -- Avi (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Lara 15:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did You Know?

One for the BLP Police watching this page - how exactly is "Did you know ... that Brazilian television presenter Wallace Souza has been accused of increasing the ratings of his show Canal Livre by hiring hitmen to kill five people?", currently gracing our main page, not a BLP violation? – iridescent 16:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that clearly runs afoul of our DYK selection criteria and should never have been let through. I've removed it and initiated a discussion at WP:ERRORS (probably not the correct forum). Skomorokh 16:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus Christ. Sigh. Thanks Sko. People are ridiculous. Lara 16:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss at WT:DYK, which is the (more) proper forum. Shubinator (talk) 17:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your BLP-related efforts!

Thank you very much for your ongoing help fighting the BLP problem. Your efforts are very appreciated, especially your work on Wikipedia:Database reports/Recently-created unreferenced biographies of living people.

I hereby award you this golden anus for your service. Keep up the great work! --MZMcBride (talk) 22:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Please discuss at [[WT:DYK]], which is the (more) proper forum. [[User:Shubinator|Shubinator]] ([[User talk:Shubinator|talk]]) 17:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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+Thank you very much for your ongoing help fighting the [[WP:BLP problem|BLP problem]]. Your efforts are very appreciated, especially your work on [[Wikipedia:Database reports/Recently-created unreferenced biographies of living people]].
+I hereby award you this golden anus for your service. Keep up the great work! --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 22:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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