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Edit comments imply copyright violations

Some of your comments imply that you are questioning my use of direct sentences from textbooks. I believe I'm applying the fair use doctrine. Do you think I'm using too many direct sentences? What are your thoughts on this subject? Timhowardriley (talk) 16:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the essay on close paraphrasing describes the various problematic issues better than I could. Copyright issues aside (which may or may not be a problem here), there is also the point of readability. A text made by concatenating literally quoted sentences from various sources together is never going to form a smoothly readable text.
I'm getting the impression you believe it is necessary to literally quote sources in order to comply with WP:V? But this is (often) not the case. You can say effectively the same thing in many different ways.
Concerning the third paragraph of the lede of Computer program: the intention of mentioning algorithms there is to succinctly relate that concept to computer programs and direct the reader to the article Algorithm for further information. It does not intend to give a precise definition of an algorithm, as the quoted source tried to do.
Ruud 16:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I read with interest close paraphrasing. Thanks for sharing. Yes, readability is an important characteristic I should apply to my Wikipedia edits. And yes, it's not necessary to quote literally. Regarding your computer program message, I copied it over to that article's talk page for public discussion. I hope you don't mind. Timhowardriley (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, I believe copyright laws protect art. Copying verbatim (with citation) a bland sentence from a textbook is not copying the author's art. Neither is copying two sentences written together. However, three? That's probably encroaching on the author's art. Also, copying verbatim (with citation) a cleverly worded single sentence is probably encroaching. The cleverly worded part of the sentence should be made bland in Wikipedia. I try to apply these principles in using sources. Timhowardriley (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, my complaint was about readability, not copyright infringement. A single sentence "must be so idiosyncratic that its appearance in another work would preclude coincidence" [1] for it to be protected by copyright, which may well not be the case for a simple textbook definition. But we do not need to quote sources literally either. —Ruud 18:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What sentence do you feel could have been written more readable? Timhowardriley (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Computer programmers implement algorithms with computer programs." (or "Programmers generally use algorithms to build computer programs.") is an awkward sentence. It doesn't feel natural in that paragraph. If I try to put the phrase "computer program" back into "An algorithm is a clearly specified set of simple instructions to be followed to solve a problem.", then I end up with almost the original sentence. —Ruud 18:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of J sort for deletion

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Removing sidebar link to "Complete list" on third-party MW installation

On my MW installation, Sarkarverse, the sidebar on the main page has a link to "Complete list [of Wikipedias]". In older versions of MW, I could comment out a section of the MW:Common.js, and that would remove the link. But that solution no longer seems to work. According to the Common.js file, you are one of the maintainers of this code. So I'm wondering if you know how to remove the "Complete list" link, which has no relevance to my site. Thanks. --Abhidevananda (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely added by some Javascript somewhere, as the link disappears if I disable Javascript. It could be that the script is still cached after you disable the code in Mediawiki:Common.js. You seem to be using non-standard (Cloudflare?) Javascript (caching), so that could be the culprit. —Ruud 16:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, maybe I'm just not waiting long enough to see the change. So I'll wait longer for the change to kick in. Thanks. --Abhidevananda (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update: It was indeed a caching issue. I cleared the cache on Cloudflare, and the link in the sidebar was removed. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. --Abhidevananda (talk) 12:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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