Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Jack Merridew-A Nobody

Wikistalking and harassment by User:Jack Merridew

I don't know what more to do, but even after Casliber's talk page warning in March he still sees fit to comment to or about me at every turn. See, for example,

• Notice the "jeers": [1]
• At the top you see that he inaccurately assumes I was talking about him and he also edits my post: [2]
• Think of all the other supporters who do not see fit to mention me specifically: [3]
• Mischaracterization of my merges, which the closer ultimately agreed with: [4]

• I work on rescuing an article and his sole AFD contribution thus far today is to say to delete it (note I have avoided saying anything in the discussion).

• I tag an article for rescue, and his sole AfD comment for the day is also to delete it.

• Saying someone should be blocked for opposing, which even those who disagreed strongly with me thought not right (by the way, I have switched to neutral in that RfA anyway).

• I work to rescue articles on the 3rd through 5th of March (see [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]) and he shows up on the 5th with copy and paste WP:ITSCRUFT comments (see [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]). Someone who makes those kind of "arguments" has the audacity to criticize my participation in AfDs (see below)?! Similarly, please note the edit history of this AfD, i.e. who came to the discussion first and second.

For background, Pixelface and I were among the few editors convinced by White Cat’s evidence that Merridew was indeed a sock and had to contend with the usual hyperbole about us assuming bad faith until it was confirmed and Merridew was blocked as a sock of Davenbelle who had several socks with which he used to harass various inclusionist editors FOR YEARS. And now, after arbcom unblocked him under strong conditions that he not antagonize anyone or cause any disruption of any kind, he is making a joke out of his being a sock account: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], etc. The "lulz" is also consistent with the attack site Encyclopedia Dramatica. Given that he was blocked for long term use of socks as harassment, it is hardly "funny" about his being a sock and given what’s on ED about various editors, why use that site’s catchphrases? Would you think it would be a big slap in the face and insult if say I did the same thing? There is also this pointed use of the rescue template: [20]. I am increasingly seeing it as a bad idea having allowed him back as he has numerous instances of pointed or bad taste edits with limited good edits to boot, whether it's the above or other instances where he referred to me by my old username mockingly. Casliber has recently reverted an edit Merridew made to my talk page and then told him to leave me alone: [21], but… I comment in one AFD on one day and argue to delete and notice the post immediately after mine... [22]. That AfD is not an April Fools prank for one thing... Now see this. If you check, his so called apology is [23], i.e. a post by Pixelface.

This has been going on for quite sometime. Even a few months back, I and another user have cautioned him for making unproductive comments as seen at User_talk:Jack_Merridew/Archive_3#Less_than_civility. Instead of responding to this good faith feedback from myself and User:Randomran in a civil manner, he instead has an edit summary in this edit that links to an account other than to my or Randomran’s accounts, which is deliberately antagonistic. You would think someone coming off an indefinite block would not say or do anything overly hostile. Neither Randomran nor I linked to any of his previous accounts or said anything else to be sarcastic to him. Moreover, he seems to be making Encyclopedia Dramatica allusions in various posts as well (see [24], for example) as well as other odd or unconstructive/non-serious posts as seen with such edits as this. I am therefore concerned that he is 1) needlessly escalating tensions; and 2) uninterested in good faith cautions (after all, Randomran is pretty neutral in all of this and as seen above, Casliber is even his arbcom agreed mentor even if one thinks I am not). The bottom line is that many are all trying really hard to come to a compromise concerning WP:FICTION and anyone mocking editors and dismissing even those who reached out to him (for better or worse, I even said I supported him being mentored when he requested being unblocked back in December…) is remarkably discouraging if not detrimental to the attempt to compromise. Please notice item 5 at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion#Indefinite block lifted with editing restrictions.

Even after that, I have had to endure his insults, while he makes swear-word laden joke "votes", or attempts at humor rather than approaching these things seriously and with policy/guideline based reasons.

I tried to welcome this user back, I tried to help him work on an article that became a DYK, and I have even tried avoiding replying to him given Casliber's warning. So, efforts to reconcile have apparently failed. And my efforts to ignore him and an admin's warning that he avoid me is not succeeding either. I want this user to leave me alone already. He harassed White Cat for years and I don't want to be his new target. As can be seen in several recent threads, I am avoiding responding to him. Given that after ArbCom allowed for a mentor who has outright told him to leave me alone and given that arbcom has told him not to do anything disruptive, this is entirely unacceptable. Once someone is told by an admin mentor to leave someone else alone and I am doing my best to avoid him and even reiterated as much at 17:14, 11 April 2009, it did not stop him from making no less than five times afterwards on the 12th still commenting to or about me in a confrontational manner. I am not asking for a request for comment on him or even for him to be blocked; just to not become the new White Cat for him. I don't know if this is revenge because I was right back in Episodes and characters 2 when I accurately believed White Cat or what, but Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 07:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I've told Jack about this thread; interesting that you didn't have the common courtesy to inform him yourself. Reyk _YO! 08:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Not to comment on everything else (I have to go do stuff) but his "swear-word laden joke 'votes'" appear to be just that; jokes. I hesitate to really use the plural since you've only provided evidence of one, but I thought it was worth mentioning that I, at least, see it as nothing more than an attempt at humour. Ironholds (talk) 08:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not so much those ones as it is making a joke out of being a sockpuppet. His account is a block evading sock that was used to harass another editor (White Cat) for years and when called out for it, those including myself were treated like massive assumers of bad faith. Thus, making a hoke of that is not really funny and I guarantee if I were to do the same thing it would insult some. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 16:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't disagree that JM has an abrasive attitude. However, your stalking seems unfounded: JM probably looks at your contribs the same way you keep a gander on other editors' (I imagine that's how you settled on spamming an ARS banner at astromech droid and something-something space navy). I also check out your recent contribs to amalgamate diffs for your bound-to-happen-eventually RFC, and occasionally this also prompts me to respond and follow-up -- that's why the link is there, after all. His "insults" at your editor review were not insulting at all -- although they ruffled your feathers by diverging from the complimentary stuff. The "swear-word laden joke 'vote'" included one word -- "shitty" -- to describe an article about poop -- lighten up. It's a crass sense of humor, but you're really grasping at straws and looking for a reason to be upset. Rather than digging up every single potential diff in an attempt to be exhaustive, how about instead confining yourself to examples that actually hold water (here, and in general). --EEMIV (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

People should be here to edit Wikipedia, not follow around others contribs. I come upon fiction articles by going to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. As I know I have had disputes with certain editors, such as yourself who has seen fit to laugh at me and others in your userspace, I deliberately avoid commenting in every AfD you start just so you don't feel overly hounded. He however is being deliberately antagonistic to me after being told by his arbcom approved mentor to not comment to or about me further. Ergo he is violating his agreement to return to editing. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 16:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

If you want an answer as to why we're not coming to mutual terms as discussed on my talk page, it's that you continue stuff like this. Jack isn't stalking you, none of this stuff falls well short of WP:CIVIL, and you're only working to incite more drama on the subject by bringing it to ANI. The Jimbo Wales comments are jokes; there's nothing disruptive about them, especially since it was April Fools and intended to be jokes as such. The editor review comments are critical but not insulting, neither is his RfA comments, and there's absolutely nothing disruptive about "delete cruft" !votes in AfDs as much as it's against your inclusion philosophy. Also, as a general note, giant stream of consciousness posts make conversing with you extremely difficult, and you'd be better served by stating your points much more concisely. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 09:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

If I made jokes about sockpuppets how do you think people would act? You don't seriously think that would be received as a slap in the face? I am tired of being treated hypocritically. And as regards you, notice in Kww's RfA, for example, I did NOT reply to your specific support. You however see fit to reply to me there and in other RfAs. So, no matter what I do in good faith with regards to certain editors, they just won't give me a fair shake. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 16:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you really this dense? I'm mean really, they're April Fools jokes. Good God. Go cry me a river. He was joking by being self-deprecating on day where you're supposed to act as such. Another reason why we're not on good terms: you can't differentiate between trivial and non-trivial slights to you to save your life and making comments like these only reinforces the notion that you're either incredibly biased or have no sense of humor whatsoever. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 05:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

If we're on bad terms it because you continue to unjustifiably treat me incivilly and hypocritically. Usually I support candidates, but when I do oppose, notice I don’t comment to Sephiroth’s supports, but he comments to my opposes in Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Seraphim_Whipp, Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Anonymous Dissident (moved to talk page), Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kww 2 (I deliberately avoid challenging his support, but he challenges my challenges to others’ supports in which they mentioned me directly or my oppose directly), Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/S@bre (again moved to talk page), etc. It’s just curious that someone I consciously try to avoid going after in RfAs wants to accuse me of badgering by making it a point to comment to or about me in these discussions. It’s apparently only okay to bully those of a different viewpoint if those of his viewpoint are the ones doing it. And now here, I guarantee if I made a joke about sockpuppets people would indeed cry foul, whereas it is apparently okay if someone else does so. I don't know what more to say to you if you cannot see a problem in it not being funny for someone to make sockpuppet jokes when they were previously banned for using sockpuppets to harass another editor. That's not about having a sense of humor, it's about some stuff just not being funny. If you think someone who used sockpuppets to harass someone making a joke of it is funny, then I really don't know what more to say. And for the record, I have a sense a humor... Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 05:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

...it just boggles the mind that you don't get it. They're jokes on April Fools Day. Why on earth is this suddenly slanderous towards you of all people? Why the hell do you care? This is so ridiculously trivial. Also, how the hell is my RfA !votes suddenly relevant to the discussion? Another problem that you have: you bring in entirely irrelevant material on the person you're addressing rather than addressing the actual point itself. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

And you can't complain whilst you do things like badger people who don't agree with you and slander RfA candidates that you don't want to succeed, notably at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kww_2, and including this oppose on a different RfA which was a personal attack on both the RfA nominee and Kww. If you do things like that, what do you expect? 81.157.94.61 (talk) 11:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: The above is the IP's first edit... Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 15:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Most of this has been posted to this page before; last week re Pixelface. My editing is rather widely watched, and my older contributions have been well reviewed. Anyone who cares to, can check what they like.

So, I commented on A Nobody's actions at Foxy Loxy's RfA and suggested he should be blocked and that

• Wikipedia:Requests for comment/A Nobody was overdue.

There's more on all this at;

• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#A Nobody's oppose vote on Foxy Loxy's RFA

He gave this edit above, where I referenced his blocked sock in the edit summary. Note what I said to him:

• If Pixelface, and others such as yourself, don't want to be the subjects of my comments, be better editors.

G'day, Jack Merridew 11:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)made a slight redaction here Jack Merridew 07:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The bottom line is this, his admin mentor has told him to leave me alone. It is absolutely unacceptable for someone who is arbcom sanctioned for long term harassment and stalking of another editor to resume his antics instead with me. He continues to mockingly refer to my old username as above and is disregarding Casliber's instructions. He continues to arrogantly critique my contributions, while most of his edits are just joke edits rather than being here to seriously edit Wikipedia. I am leaving him alone, he needs to do the same for me already. Any continued comments to or about me beyond this post will be blatant and obvious ongoing harassment and I hope that his mentors will see fit that it does not continue. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 15:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

You are trying to game the system to avoid being held accountable for your bad faith, battleground mentality, and disruption. WP:DUCK. It's late here. G'Night, Jack Merridew 15:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I've just stumbled into this thread, not read any links or looked into any past history. However, one thing that is obvious from the last three comments alone, is that A Nobody doesn't like you referring to him by his old username. And you still seem to be doing it. There's no reason to; he's perfectly accountable, with redirects and rename logs etc. - and if it upsets him, please just don't. As I say, I've not looked into, and cannot comment on, anything else. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 15:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

He is also seeking to avoid accountability for actions he engaged in using those prior accounts. Now after midnight — G'night, Jack Merridew 16:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Sweet dreams!

However, for the morning... Surely the two most obvious means of accountability is a redirect from the old userpage. I don't see that WP:CHU requires anything else. Sure, the log seems to have been scrambled for some reason, but that's not anything that can be changed by anyone now. He seems to be perfectly open about the issue, and even if he wasn't, he clearly dislikes you using his old name, and there's no real practical reason to that I can see. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 16:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I explain my edit history at User:A Nobody/RfA#Comments regarding block log. Durova, DGG, and Randomran can all confirm that I have shared photographic evidence substantiating my claims of harassment that I would be foolish to post on wiki or to share with anyone of questionable trustworthiness. The facts are that as I am a strong inclusionist who does have success in keeping article histories at least as seen at User:A Nobody/Deletion discussions, I am a magnet for deletionist sock farms. Good faith deletionists get along with me fine. In many ways, I respect Collectonian, Stifle, and others. I have at times even regarded Reyk and EEMIV as reasonable and fair. I don't want enemies. But I have been the target of the following now indefinitely blocked account and their literally scores of associated accounts that have perpetuated a distorted version of my edits that some unfortunately continue to either believe or find convenient to also perpetuate for self-serving purposes: User:AndalusianNaugahyde, User:AnteaterZot, User:Lord Uniscorn, User:Eyrian, User:Graevemoore, User:Dannycali, User:Blueanode, User:Everyme, etc. These are so numerous as to not be isolated incidents, but rather what has dogged me in my whole time as an editor and some of these aforementioned users have sent me swear-word laden emails, posted stuff on Wikipedia Review, etc. Every time there has been any discussions on me here, it has been blown out proportion thanks to the hyperbole, lies, and mischaracterizations by these and their various associated accounts. When there's enough of them (I have been targeted by at least a half dozen differnet sock farms) it is usually after the fact when it is discovered that many of the comments in any given thread on me where made by one or more of the socks associated with the above. I am tired of it already. If I was such an evil person as they paint, I would not have User:A Nobody#List of editors who have agreed with my arguments or made other nice observations about my efforts and User:A Nobody#Barnstars, cookies, smiles, and thanks. Again, we know the subject of this discussion has done this stuff in the past as well. I really wish some of the above could put down their disdain for me and not be blinded by that. As I said recently in Kww's RfA, perhaps he was right and I was wrong when it came to undoing this user's indefinite block, because he is outright saying above that he still wants to follow me around and does so while still mocking me. I don't come here to drag him through the mud or to avoid scrutiny for myself. I am know I am not perfect. I know I have made mistakes. But no one here should have to put up with someone refusing to let them be when their arbcom sanctioned mentor has already told them to in fact leave that user alone. I am tired of faux and needless tensions and drama. And I am not going to be called out on my past when someone makes a joke of his being a sock. I am not going to be belittled for my AfD contributions by someone who uses copy and paste posts that cite no policies or guidelines or just let's have fun posts. As at Foxy Loxy's RfA, I am happy to reconsider my stances. I am not always right. I know that. I admit as much. I nor anyone else should have to be bullied beyond that. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 16:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

• I've seen no one state that they believe your off-wiki harassment assertion; a statement of belief of veracity by someone would serve you well here. I see the vanishing and return and admonishments to not refer to your quite contentious past as disingenuous at best.
• I don't know most of those sock accounts (exception being Everyme); they're certainly not me, if anyone is wondering.
• You frequently refer to my AfD comments as 'dishonest' — which is a personal attack.
• nb: I just reformatted some of your links as they were not line-wrapping well.

Jack Merridew 06:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm that I've seen the evidence of ongoing harassment off-wiki. I think baiting someone in these circumstances is despicable. I've said elsewhere that if some of A nobody's comments are misguided, one can say so without descending to that. And, indeed, most people opposing him do so much more fairly. The deliberate use of a former name is, in my eyes, confirmation of continuing bad faith and the intent to persist in it. DGG (talk) 07:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, your post is the first such confirmation that I've seen, and I'll accept it; I don't need details. I will refrain from refering to his prior username as much as is possible. He doesn't get a pass on concern about his past editing, though. FWIW, I'll assert that I'm not in anyway involved with him in an off-wiki sense; I've likely not been within 10.000km of him since I first encountered him on-wiki. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Way WP:TLDR

I understand that other users in the past have agreed to not edit the same pages. Is this something that may work for both parties?

It seems obvious to me that there is some stalking here....Ikip (talk) 17:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree generally with User:Sephiroth BCR. Folks reviewing this thread to determine the merits of the complaint are invited to look hard at the accusations and ascertain whatever meat they may have. It is my opinion that JM takes some measure of pride in being prickly when the inclusion/deletion debate comes up and that he is much less civil than I would like. However A Nobody is not blameless, most of the complaints made here are, in my opinion, without a strong basis in fact, and it would be improper to treat this as an "one the one hand" sort of dispute. I'm 'involved' as it were, so I won't fully express my opinions here, but admins and editors are asked to please avoid taking claims made here at face value. Protonk (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

They are also invited to see that for someone who allegedly "don't want to have anything to do with you", you have a strange habit of continuously showing up in practically every AN/I thread I start, which is great because I don't see fit to comment in everything you do... As such, any objective admin would see that only those with past incivility and hypocrisy against me would not surprisingly come to the other editor's defense. Again, please don't be blinded by your own animosity towards me. But you can say that you said yourself you didn't want anything to do with me, so you're only going against your own words. JM, however, was sanctioned by ArbCom not to do anything disruptive and assigned mentors to see to it that doesn't happen. One of those mentors told him to not comment to or about me any further. While I have followed that advice even though I am not under the same restrictions, it has not stopped him. As such, he has violated the terms of his unblock. It's not a matter of opinion or interpretation, it is glaringly clear. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 00:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

This isn't about me and you. I'm sorry that you can't move past things and that you mistake disagreement and frustration for hypocrisy. I really do pity you. Protonk (talk) 00:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No, it isn't and it's disappointing here, because we are talking about someone who used multiple accounts to harass another editor for years (by contrast, I had two confirmed accounts and one likely and I was never subject of using them by arbcom for long term harassment). When White Cat presented convincing evidence to that effect and I agreed with him, both he and I had the same hyperbolic denigration as if we were the ones assuming bad faith, i.e. the kind of stuff we were right about, but was used to damage our reputations. And now after I actually supported allowing him back and as his talk page shows welcomed him back, you would think he would be apologetic if anything. Instead, he treats me high-handedly and when an admin operating in the specific function as his own wiki mentor tells him to just avoid me, he blatantly disregards it. All I want from this thread is to not have someone who bullied another editor now take up the bullying and mocking against me instead. I already tried to proactively edit nicely with him. It was rebuffed. I tried avoidance, but it's not stopping him even after a warning from an admin. I am here to build a paperless encyclopedia, not to be bullied. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 00:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

If that's all you wanted why didn't you say that in your first response to me? why bother accusing me of hypocrisy and what-not and dredging up that archived conversation? Protonk (talk) 00:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Because you seem to be dismissing something I have had to put up with for long before you and I ever clashed, although way back to when he denigrated those his disagreed with as sinners whose day will come. It is remarkable frustrating given these past experiences to have it trivialized. Oddly enough, you were someone with whom I really hoped I'd eventually come to friendly terms with again and so when I see things like here, it's just a let down of sorts. Please review the editor we are discussing's history. What I am saying here is consistent with how he targetted another user and whether he's going about it more craftily or if I'm getting flak because of some's experiences with me, I don't know, but it's there and I don't want to be harangued by someone with such a history. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 00:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

This is your primary problem. Somehow you have confused the fact that I question the veracity of your claims (I do) with the possibility of us coming to some friendly terms. It is not a requisite that I agree with you on certain issues for us to have some sort of mutual respect. I have serious concerns that you are misrepresenting JM's behavior in this report. The fact that I voice those concerns shouldn't impact a 'friendship'. That's why I feel sorry for you. Protonk (talk) 00:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Then just go with the undeniable docuemntable facts: 1) he has been sanctioned by arbcom for long-term harassment; 2) he is unblocked per an arbcom agreement with multiple restrictions including mentoring by Casliber; 3) he has done unwelcome things with regards to me such as mocklingly referring to me by my old username; 4) after an escalation of tensions, he was warned by Casliber to not comment to or about me any further; 5) despite that warning he has continued to do so. Within there, I tried welcoming him back, I tried helping him get a DYK, etc. and in both instances was received high handedly. So, I tried avoidance even with his on-wiki mentor warning him and he still saw fit to comment to or about me. If he does so even after his arbcom appointed mentor says not to, I don't know what will prevent him from policing my edits, i.e. what else can I do? Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 01:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

That's FINE. Going with the undeniable facts and making accusations based on concrete evidence is good. I was making the point that not all your claims were backed by such unimpeachable evidence and that we would be lead astray should we take them on face value. I think that when this all comes out in the wash, we will find that JM messed up in a big way and may be sanctioned. I just don't want to do so under a flimsy premise. Protonk (talk) 01:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting that you have brought this edit of mine up again. That edit was presented as evidence in E&C 2. You called me a religious fanatic, which I most certainly am not. It seems to me that your reaction to me is due to a perception of irreverence on my part; you really, really, don't like my sense of humour, for example. Jack Merridew 06:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Mutual topicban proposal

Proposed: A.Nobody and Jack Merridew are hereby completely forbidden for six months from:

1. Commenting to each other anywhere onwiki, including each others' talkpages, with the sole exception of formulaic community-mandated notifications;
2. Commenting about each other anywhere onwiki, with the sole exception of responding to AN, AN/I, AN3, WQA, RFC, RFARB cases brought by the other;
3. Starting any AN, AN/I, AN3, WQA, RFC, RFARB cases or threads about each other without the blessing and approval, onwiki, of a neutral admin; (NB: I suggest a list of such admins be drawn up so there can be no shopping.)
4. Commenting on AFDs or article-rescues started by the other--e.g., A.Nobody tags an article for rescue, Jack Merridew must stay away from both the article and the AFD discussion. Likewise, Jack starts an AFD, A.Nobody must stay away from both the article and the AFD discussion.

It should be emphasised that in light of points 1 and 2, any attempt by either of these two to game the proposed restrictions via baiting, veiled references, or any other type of wikilawyering end-run should be viewed extremely dimly by admins. Infractions to be met by the usual series of escalating blocks. ADDED: To put it in a much simpler way, I propose the two of them be told to stay the hell away from each other, permanently.

Thoughts? //roux   17:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This would keep each other from accusations of gaming the system (although XfD would be more effective). I see no reason for them to continue going off on these fora unless their interactions in the past have produced something worthwhile to the project. Xavexgoem (talk) 17:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

A while back I tried a proactive approach with regards to this editor as seen at User_talk:Casliber/Archive_23#Moon_of_Pejeng. On one hand, the article did become a DYK, but as you can see his reaction was once again mocking and unreceptive (I have Casliber's page watchlisted as he is someone with whom I interact frequently and my edits to my RfA criteria on my userspace are general and can apply to several editors--that's at least twice now that he assumed I am referring to him when I actually wasn't). Anyway, when the effort to help out was met poorly, I instead tried to avoid/ignore, which even with Casliber warning him to do the same just hasn't worked. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 18:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

So yes but really no. Is it agreeable that if this is the last thread either of you will need to directly communicate (or indirectly, as it were), we'll all be in a better place? Xavexgoem (talk) 18:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we would be best not to comment to or about each other on user talk pages, in RfAs, on AN/I, in AfDs, or in RfCs as doing so in any capacity beyond this thread is detrimental to the project. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 18:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I can agree to the above, but also suggest that it include: "Neither editor nominate articles for deletion for which the other editor created or significantly worked on." Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 17:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

If both of them are comfortable with it, I wouldn't mind being the contact for #3. So long as they understand that I'm usually only available for short periods twice a day. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 18:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell per this and this, you are indeed a neutral admin when it comes to us. So, fine by me. It may be wise having a few though. I think we both respect Casliber, so he seems a natural possibility. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 18:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, many hands make light work. I'm volunteering because I've seen your names many times in many fora, and haven't the faintest idea what the problem is. So you two will need to fill me in, and I'll try to help you bring this to a mutually satisfying end. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 19:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I am open to SB Johnny working as some sort of mediator here; please note that Cas has a {{busy}} tag displayed at the moment; I've not heard from him re this, and am obviously all for working with him, too. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• • No.4 is impractical, because this could be used to pre-empt Jack from making comments to any of a wide range of AfDs, or similarly to prevent A Nobody from defending a wider range of Afds. Similarly for A Nobody's own suggestion. Let's see how 1, 2, and 3, work by themselves. DGG (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I would rather not comment in some AfDs and have us avoid each other. AfDs won't suffer if either of us don't comment. The key is here is that he isn't given free reign to just go after every article I do try to defend just becasue I am the one defending it. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Let's wait for Jack to weigh in before making any promises, OK? --SB_Johnny | ^talk 22:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
        • Nice job roux, if both parties agree you deserve a peace barnstar. I think A Nobody's suggestion to add: "Neither editor nominate articles for deletion for which the other editor created or significantly worked on." is fair. With 2 million articles, that leaves a lot of articles to delete which A nobody didn't signifigantly work on. Ikip (talk) 00:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the suggestion (#1) that they can only communicate with each other via templates. We don't need to be encouraging formletterspeak, especially not for users between whom personal relations are already strained. I also object to the last suggestion (#4) on the basis that improving articles and preventing bad deletions should supersede any kind of wiki-restraining order, at least in my mind. However, the others (#2) and (#3) are trivial things to sacrifice. — CharlotteWebb 01:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Given how many articles we have and how many AFDs take place, I am willing in the interest in deescalation to avoid each other per #4 as well. There's always something else either can work on and given that Wikipedia has no deadline, if something is deleted that shouldn't have been, it can always be brought back and vice versa. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 02:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this appropriate; it isn't dispute resolution, it's fatigue. This is the sort of thing A Nobody and Pixelface have been seeking; to gag a critic and the removal of me from AfDs on less than stellar articles. I've commented on a fairly small number of AfDs in the last some months and have only ever started about 4. I comment on their actions because I believe their actions need commenting on and I'm far from the only editor with critical opinions of them. I've suggested a RFC/U re A Nobody several times, as have others; indeed it was being spoken of in Sept/Oct as a requirement for his return from faux-vanished status, but it was not followed up on. I have not started this myself because he has said several times that he would 'ignore' and/or 'not respect' an RFC/U started by myself or any of his opponents (sorry, no diffs handy, but it's out there; mebbe he'll clarify). His attitude re an RFC/U is itself of concern and while I could initiate this step in DR regardless of his stated stance, it would be best if someone else took the lead. See WP:DR; I'm going to review it, again. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment: It is apparent that he is unwilling to leave me alone per his ArbCom appointed mentor's advice. That someone would not be willing to leave someone alone when told by an admin to do so and when strongly requested on AN/I to do so demonstrates an unhealthy and inapproriate fixation. There is no reason why under such circumstances anyone would not be able to comply. It is clear that if he comments any further to or about me anywhere beyond this AN/I thread that it will indeed be ongoing harassment. I have tried being nice to him, I have tried avoiding him, he has been told by an admin to leave me alone. Rather than trying to build articles, he is devoting his efforts to hounding myself and Pixelface as the new White Cats in his sights. I am stating this outright and essentially reiterating Casliber's instructions, it is unacceptable for this editor to follow me around any further. There is absolutely no legitimate reason on a site with 2 million articles why he would have a need to cross paths with me. I have even avoided participating further in the WP:FICT discussions because I do not want to be harangued by this editor any further. Anything he does beyond this thread will be clear retaliation and clear refusal to leave an editor alone after being instructed by an admin/mentor to do just that. The only appropriate/acceptable solution is total and complete avoidance. There is no real valid reason why anyone could not agree to that unless if his intentions are indeed to maliciously go after someone and given this editor's history of harassment, I absolutely hope that community would not tolerate such a thing. I plan to go on break for a while to finish my dissertation, but please, please admins do not allow someone who has been restricted due to long-term harassment to be able to find new editors to pick on. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 05:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Every edit is sacred,
Every edit is great.
If an edit is wasted,
A Nobody gets quite irate.

Heaps of mere assertion here. To cast this as 'harassment' is a (fairly) transparent attempt to change the subject. You don't like my criticism of you and so seek to gag me rather than acknowledge it. See your editor review — many comments, in greater detail and harsher terms than mine, concerning you, your arguing to 'save' the indefensible, the bad faith at RfAs of anyone who would ever delete anything or support anyone who would delete anything (sure a few exception, like hoaxes). You seem to think that Every Edit Is Sacred when, in fact, there are thousands of articles about that by any reasonable criteria should be deleted. Your whole focus here is to confound the process of deletion; that's WP:DISRUPTive. Jack Merridew 08:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed this comment of yours in response to my supporting Kevin's now-closed RfA, where you asked if I knew he was opposed to my unban; I'll answer here: yes, I recall that and gave the very same diff here where I stated that I supported wo/grudge. You contrasted this with your tentative support of my unban (note you were after an AfD ban there, too).

There is a reason I supported Kevin and am critical of you; he is here to do right and you are here with a battleground approach, heaps of bad faith, a clear intent to disrupt deletions, and to thwart anyone becoming an admin who does not meet your ridiculous standards. Jack Merridew 09:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

RE:

"I can agree to the above" A Nobody

"I am open to SB Johnny working as some sort of mediator here" Jack Merridew

Does this mean the two parties can agree to Roux's remedy? Since ignoring this is not an option, the only other option I see is a RfC against A Nobody or a report to arbitration enforcement for Jack.

I don't think either nuclear option will solve the problem as quickly and effectively as the voluntary sanctions suggested here. Ikip (talk) 16:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You seem to have missed this comment of mine; what you quote above is simply a willingness to talk with Johnny about this. I support the idea of an RFC/U re A Nobody. Almost 1:00am here, so G'night, all. Jack Merridew 16:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Since you support a RfC, do you support a Request for arbitration enforcement in turn? Guaranteed, arbitration enforcement will be much more punitive and swift than a RfC, because their is already a massive presumption of guilt in the arbitration, whereas you are starting from scratch in a RfC. Ikip (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Mutual topicban proposal community !vote

• Support Mutual topicban I see Roux's remedy as a carrot and stick. Since all parties don't agree to the carrot, the next step is that, we, the Wikipedia community will bring out the stick, we will all !vote on Roux's remedy, and all parties will be forced to follow Roux's remedy. Ikip (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
• Apathetic about the first three, but oppose #4 - too many If A Then Bs to keep track of. Would it mean that if an article goes up for AfD, JM can prevent AN from ARS-tagging it simply by commenting in the AfD discussion? Can AN prevent JM from commenting in AfD by ARS tagging? I don't think their personal animosity should be grounds to avoid them working in the same sandbox. 1-3, at least, more emphatically relate to them engaging each other directly. --EEMIV (talk) 15:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support the first three (with a particular note that A-N's charming way of referring to some editors or a particular editor or the like should be included in this), oppose the fourth as leading to an obvious race condition. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree but first mover advantage might be more what you mean, particularly as the "article rescue" template is typically used in response to an AFD nomination rather than to prevent one. Then there are the psychological aspects: I believe a deletionist can anticipate which articles his nemesis would be interested in rescuing more effectively than an inclusionist can anticipate which articles his nemesis would interested in deleting. — CharlotteWebb 17:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I'd be more inclined to accept that if there weren't empirical evidence to suggest that A-N tags far more articles for rescue (and rather less discriminately) than JM takes to AfD (24 to zero over the month, assuming that all of A-N's helpful (added) summaries are rescue tags, and ignoring non-AfD deletes like prods). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support the first three,, not the 4th--I do not like it for the same reason as given above. I however note A.n.'s willingness to accept it as a sign of good faith. there's a more radical solution, discussed further down, but it does not presently look as if it will pass. DGG (talk) 16:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Second Choice suport for the first 3. 4 sounds good in theory but could easily be gamed.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support #2 and #3 only, for reasons I have explained above. — CharlotteWebb 17:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Grudgingly support the first three, and I agree w/ Chris's comment. I would much prefer that JM just agree to this rather than have us impose it against his will. Protonk (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support 2 and 3 only - preferably a as a voluntary agreement between the two pablo_hablo. 17:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support ALL. Although I am trying to go on wikibreak for school reasons, I have been asked to comment here in order to resolve this situation. Wikipedia has over 2 million articles. At any given times we have scores of article under deletion discussion. There is absolutely NO legitimate reason why in such a big place anyone would not be able to avoid articles and AfDs for which one other editor has already worked. Similarly, I am not the only article rescuer. There is no reason why another member of the ARS couldn't handle articles I might normally tag. JM is hardly the only deletionist. There is no reason why he can't be silent in a handful of AfDs. If the article is really inappropriate, it will be deleted anyway. His one comment is hardly so crucial, just as God forbid if I don't comment in every AfD. AfDs don't need any one editor to participate in them. If I can and am willing to avoid AfDs associated with him (notice that I didn't rescue tag or comment in the Honorverse AfDs after he commented in them), there's no legitimate reason why he can't do the same. It's not as if this really prevents either of us from working on any of the other 2 million articles or scores of AfDs available. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 19:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

  I see you also found time to research 18 or 20 AfDs as "evidence" in the Dream Focus thread while you're back. You're aware that nobody takes your wikibreaks seriously by now, right? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Given that you engage in the same behavior as JM, what should one think? Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

    • Keep this up and someone will block you. Do not derail threads by making baseless accusations or by inveighing against anyone who happens to disagree with you or brings up some flaw in your reasoning. Equating someone's actions with the actions of a person whose indefinite ban from the site you happen to be agitating for is disruptive. Continue down this path or make things blatant enough and I will block you and seek comment in AN. Period. Behave in a civil and collegial fashion. That's not something that applies only to other editors and it is not something that only excludes things like swearing or sniping. Protonk (talk) 20:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

      • You don't seriously think his reply to my stance here was constructive? He elsewhere refers to me by names other than my current username and then comes here to give me a hard time and so how do you expect me to reply? I hope you similarly are willing to warn him to do not antagonize me any further as well. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

        • I didn't because he doesn't make responses like that his MO. If you want an honest answer, I expect you to respond to his criticism with something like this "that isn't relevant to the matter at hand", not to escalate and personalize the issue as you have for almost every single responand in this thread, including me and KWW, two folks who you discovered weren't out to lynch you after all. Protonk (talk) 21:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

          • That is a reasonable suggestion for an alternate response that I will keep in mind. I encourage you, however, to similarly discourage anyone else from derailing this discussion as I really do want to log off again (I came back today after being emailed anonymously that I should say whether or not I agree with the mutual topic ban proposal, which I do); since I am logged in anyway, why not make a few more edits before I log back out for hopefully at least a week or more like I actually did do during my last break (earlier this year I actually did stop editing for a week). Plus, the break templates I put up on my talk page say, "though some editing may be done from time to time" and "Most likely, however, I won't be able to keep away from Wikipedia for that long, and I'll probably be back a lot earlier while making some small edits every so often," so what the heck? I agree, I should resist taking the bait, but at the same time as I said elsewhere the hook shouldn't be baited either. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Support 1, 2, and 3. Oppose the final provision per EEMIV and DGG. They should be able to participate civilly in the same AfD with the first three provisions under effect. ThemFromSpace 20:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral on the first three, definitely oppose #4. Reyk _YO! 22:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Comment It appears like there overwhelming community support for this Mutual topicban proposal, at least for proposals 1 to 3-- what is the next step? Ikip (talk) 09:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support #1,2,3. They need to stay away from each other. #4 is a bit too restrictive, as there may be cases where both of them legitimately will want to contribute to the same AFD, but they should be able to state their opinion without referring to the other. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Topicbans are unwieldy, and rarely actually stop disputes as others enter in. I would support a voluntary ban on any personal noticeboard interactions, any personal userspace interactions but going further I would suggest just does not work. As for any AfD's -- I suggest anyone closing one would know enough to discount any personal jibes and rely solely on the weight of the arguments presented. I suspect this would be quite sufficient and be a much lower-key solution than the above. And if people do not accept that people closing discussions can discount personal jibes, then we need to change the entire XfD process. Collect (talk) 11:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose — Look, all, I am for toning things down. I said I'd be open to Johnny as a mediator and have also run that idea by someone else who thought themselves not the right person. I have been critical of A Nobody, true. So have others; the issues are real. What is happening here (nb:user:Ikip FKA user:Inclusionist) is an attempt to extend my unban terms to cover others; it is E&C 2 dragging on, more than a year later. It won't stop here, either. Pixelface will want immunity from my criticism, too. A Nobody repeatedly tried to redact my comments from his editor review, claiming something to the effect that I'm a second class editor. This is in direct conflict with my unban, which says I'm unbanned. The partisans here have long tried to cast my block/ban as due to pop-culture. Nope — and it was discussed long ago up there. I believe A Nobody is being disruptive of the deletion process, of the RfA process and is significantly responsible for inflaming the situation; Pixelface, too; i.e. trying anything and everything to tear down policies and guidelines and to inflame and enrage. Note the Dream Focus thread; many of the same players; it's just the next battle over. The community needs to sort the issue of the surfeit of coverage of pop-culture ephemera, and do it peacefully. Sending disputants to opposite corners of the ring does not end anything; it merely creates an interlude. It is not dispute resolution, it is dispute prolongation (or Britain's "great pre-war joke").
  Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support 2 & 3 only 1 and 4 are innapropriate IMO.--Patton^t/c 12:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
• Comment It's hard to read the above as an expression of consensus on any particular point, and it looks to me like this isn't likely to yield a conclusion satisfactory to all parties (and/or onlookers). I think the best way to go is for the two of you to just try to avoid each other for a while without making a big statement about how you want to avoid each other. I'm still open to listen, but strongly recommend email so my talk page doesn't start looking like AN/I. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 16:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Question:

If Jack Merridew was indef-blocked as a sock of a banned user, but the account was subsequently unblocked with specific ArbCom admonishments, but has now returned to habits that led to the original scrutiny and blocking, then what is this discussion about? What were the admonishments that allowed the return of an banned user? Have they been violated? And if so, why not simply reinstate the block? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

He appealed to ArbCom, and it was granted in part because of his good contributions. If it appears he's walking down this road again, the above proposal seems a particularly fine idea. Xavexgoem (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and I'm sorry it seems this way. After asking my question, I went searching for the answer and found Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion, which ban was lifted BUT with SPECIFIC conditions... with condition #5 possibly being percieved as having been inadvertantly ignored. I trust that ArbCom gave long and careful consideration to the lifting of the ban... and I am worried that their best hopes inre the user's return might not have seen fruition, as good contributions do not condone any disruption of the project, real or perceieved, in the face of their stern admonishment to avoid such. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree there are sufficient diffs above to invoke #5, though obviously I am not going to be the admin to do it, having had too much prior discussion , friendly and also critical, with both parties here. DGG (talk) 20:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll block, if he doesn't agree to Roux's compromise solution. I didn't know about the Arbcom decision, but now I do. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 22:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoa now. I'm not comfortable with that. Protonk (talk) 22:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

More precisely, Roux's remedy is either a compromise or a compulsion. If it is a compromise that JM isn't comfortable agreeing to, I don't think that we get a free pass to turn it into something compulsive from the ARBCOM reading. IMO, we either determine that he is engaged in disruptive editing now, and block him accordingly, or we determine that he is not and we proceed through some process of negotiation to stop him from going down that road. We can't have insufficient evidence to accuse him of DE but sufficient evidence to enforce a proposed remedy and if we have sufficient evidence to accuse him of DE, then we don't need to propose a compromise. Protonk (talk) 22:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Protonk here. I've gone through the diffs, and, while I get an eerie feeling of deja vu, I can't describe any of them as "disruptive". A wikilink correction to turn a redlink into a bluelink is usually not thought of as disruptively modifying another's statement, and the AFDs are AFDs where I would normally expect Jack to comment in the way he has, even if A Nobody hadn't been involved at all. I've asked A Nobody to provide a single, well-described diff clearly showing disruptive editing, and he hasn't produced it. If he can, then Jack should be blocked immediately, with no need for a compromise ... Jack is on his last chance and on a very short leash. If he can't, then there's no basis for blocking Jack, and A Nobody deserves a little chastisement for bringing in a blizzard of diffs that don't stand up to scrutiny.—Kww(talk) 02:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

He replied, and I agree that this is clearly an intentional misuse of a template with the intent of causing trouble. I'd have no objection to reinstating Jack's ban on that basis.—Kww(talk) 02:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll agree. I say so only because of the explicitly short leash that JM is on. I still prefer an actual remedy (i.e. blocking him for being disruptive) to using the threat of an indef block to bring him to agreement on the mutual avoiadance issue. Protonk (talk) 03:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, please; I replied about that below. I really don't see that as in any way disruptive. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

While we are asking questions, where are the restrictions on A Nobody documented? I've tried a few times to find a discussion where people explicitly decided to allow him to edit despite having abused the right to vanish, but have never located where that occurred. I never thought bringing Jack or A Nobody back were very good ideas, and it may be time to re-examine both decisions.—Kww(talk) 00:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive169#Right to vanish and not vanished
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive482#User:Renamed user 19

Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You can't find any, because there was no agreed upon restrictions a la JM. I did not harass another editor for years. The only thing people believe I did was create another account after abandoning my main account. Neither account edited in tandem with each other. Nor was this alleged new account used to harass anyone. I have over 30,000 edits and yet the "likely" account has edited all of 3 of the same pages. As such, once that account was blocked, if I agreed to anything, it was to only use my main account and any checkuser can see that I have done as much. If you actually think my history is the same as his then you are wildly mistaken. And I really hope you are not now seeking revenge for your RfA. You'd think instead of demonstrating the vindicative attitude I cited, you would actually instead try to be conciliatory rather than prove that particular argument correct. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 00:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

A Nobody: now that you're on my radar, you need to avoid saying things like "And I really hope you are not now seeking revenge for your RfA.". JM isn't here (perhaps celebrating Easter?), so maybe you'd consider dropping this until tomorrow? --SB_Johnny | ^talk 01:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I really wish this could be resolved promptly. I am in what seems to be the final phase of my doctorate (I am making revisions to the last couple chapters with an upcoming oral defense planned) and as such was hoping to take a break until the end of the quarter. I just want to be sure that when I come back, I'm not going to have to contend with being followed around and antagonized again. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 01:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I simply refrained from commenting while it was ongoing, in order to avoid accusations of attempting to draw attention to a losing RFA. I'm not going to step up efforts against you as a result, but I've maintained since your return that that your return should not have been permitted. There's no reason to expect that to stop.

I don't equate your behaviour to Jack's. Jack lied for years, and attempted to deceive us all, all to the detriment of another editor. I tend to agree with Jack on policy issues, don't care much for White Cat, either. In spite of that, I supported Jack's blocking and opposed his return. If you could show me concrete evidence of disruptive editing (not disagreeing with you at AFDs, not correcting wikilinks, but actual disruptive editing) I'll support blocking him again under point 5. To be honest, I find his behaviour towards you eerily familiar, and I have to work hard at not letting my personal opinion of you keep me from seeing his behaviour as upsetting. That said, I've gone through your links, and I can't find actual disruptive editing. The AFDs you point at were all AFDs that I would expect Jack to say those things during even if you weren't involved anywhere in the process.

But getting back to my original point: you specifically violated the language under RTV which states that The right to vanish is only available to users who are also exercising their right to leave, and no discussion was made that specifically allowed you to create this new account and continue editing? No explicit discussion about the posthumous account linkage? Even after Elizabeth Rogan was blocked with the accusation being that it was you attempting a silent and anonymous return? I had always assumed that the discussion had gone on somewhere, and I had just missed it. You do fail to mention that Elizabeth Rogan edited essentially only AFDs, which means that an intersection on particular articles is unlikely to occur. You won't find many people that doubt that that was you, which explains the indefinite block on that account as being your improper sockpuppet.—Kww(talk) 01:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Why are you trying to derail a discussion on another user? Okay, say you think she was me, i.e. an account that never edited while my main account edited, you seem to conflate me with someone who by contrast had a couple times as many admitted sock accounts that were used to harass another editor and to evade a block. By contrast, I was not blocked at the time nor previously the subject of arbcom cases. And are you surprised that I did oppose so strongly when you keep denigrating me as an editor, even though since my return, I have dramatically cut back my participation in AfDs and everyone of them has had an acceptable conclusion (see User:A Nobody/Deletion discussions) as everyone I argued to keep still has its edit history and every one I argued to delete has been deleted. I also gained a few DYKs as seen at User:A_Nobody#Barnstars.2C_cookies.2C_smiles.2C_and_thanks, welcomed thousands of new users, and even colloborated on a Good Article. I seem to get along fine with people except for those from my old name who are unwilling to cut me any breaks. Do my net positive contributions mean nothing to you? I have been much more successful than I was before my rename; I have conciously and voluntarily tried to change how I do things and so now I absolutely am not okay with JM disrupting my efforts to improve Wikipedia. And anyway, the question here is not about me. If you want to iron out differences with me, drop me an email and as I said elsewhere if you want to reconcile our differences, I am open to that. If you think I would never give you another chance, you are mistaken, because I believe just about everyone can come to terms eventually. It would actually not have been impossible had you taken a different tact to have even persuaded me to weaken or strike my oppose regarding you. But anyway, right here and now, my concern is that someone who was blocked for harassment and put on clear editing restrictions was told by his arbcom appointed mentor to not comment to or about me any further and yet continued to do so anyway. That seems a pretty clear violation of his agreement and if he is not willing to do what his arbcom appointed mentors tell him to do, then what? Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 01:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not attempting to derail anything. Many editors have told you that your report was full of diffs that didn't support the accusations made. This is precisely the kind of report that has been the basis of my objection to you in the past. I reiterate: show me one diff of something that can truly be classed as disruptive editing on JM's part, and I will support reblocking him under point 5 of his arbcome restrictions. I agree, he's on a short leash, and his comments toward you give me concern. Cooperate by providing one, solid, accurately described diff showing disruptive editing, and you get help getting what you want. Go forth in the future making only reports with solid, accurately described diffs, and 90% of the difficulties between us will disappear.—Kww(talk) 01:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, on 24 March 2009, his arbcom appointed mentor told him “Please leave you know who alone, and leave off allusions to you know what. WP is a big place.” This edit coincided with this removal of text from my talk page and it is well understood that Casliber refers to me as JM’s subsequent reply acknowledged. Since then he has accused me as being part of a tag team, made it a point to in the only two RfAs he commented in since April 4th was on the 11th be a comment to me and in the only RfA he commented in on the 6th was yet again a comment about me. The last two RfAs he comments in and the only two for the past 8 or so days are in ones after me and about me. In addition to those two RfAs, I commented in I think every other one that is ongoing and I absolutely did not focus on any one user in all seven or eight of these RfAs. So, if he is instructed to not risk escalate things with a specific editor (me) and yet his sole RfA participation is to take an accusatory approach against me, he is blatantly ignoring his arbcom appointed mentor and as such disrupting the project by escalating tensions with someone he was instructed to avoid. It is not as if others (you, Reyk, Sephiroth, etc. could not adequately handle challenging my oppose in Foxy Roxy’s RfA, which I did indeed strike) or for others to critique my oppose in your RfA. Now, what about stuff unrelated to me… Revert warring ([25], [26], [27], [28], and [29], for which he was warned, but notice the times continued doing (April Fool’s or not, you would think once someone warns you, stopping might be a good idea). Then there’s mis/mocking use of the rescue template here, i.e. prods something and slaps on a rescue template before an AfD is even underway? Is that some kind of provocation the Article Rescue Squadron or to any editor in particular? Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 02:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll withhold judgment on the April Fool's stuff. I disagree with 90% of the crap pulled on April Fool's Day, and it's a day that I will take off if I ever have an admin bit. Casliber's role is specifically to mentor Jack in regards to White Cat, so I don't see violating his injunction as automatically disruptive (if Casliber blocked for disobeying, and people upheld it, I wouldn't kick up a fuss, though). That leaves [30], which is clearly an intentional misuse of a template with the intent of causing trouble. I registered a comment above, so I will repeat it there.—Kww(talk) 02:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

← Way too-long. I've just made a first pass through this thread and would like to comment on this edit; I had proded that page after commenting to Cas and A Nobody about it. Rather than post to A Nobody's talk page about it (I believe the original thread was gone at that time), I tagged it, figuring he and any others would then notice it. I noticed after the fact that the rescue template was AfD-specific and generated a redlink; I also saw that it got the page onto the ARS list, and so I left it, figuring they would see it. Frankly, this was a good faith thing to do; I could have quietly proded it and it might have gone gently into that good night. As things went, it was de-proded and then redirected by others. And we now have an article on the real Oakdale, Texas. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC) nb: I did give prod reason; non-notable Jack Merridew 14:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

My understanding is that your indef-block as the sock of a banned user was lifted only after very careful deliberations, and accompanied by very strict behavorial criteria. It is my thought that with the Sword of Damocles hanging over one's head, any editor would pay special heed to such caveats... and so tred very carefully in all dealings with any other editor. Keeping your distance from WC was definitely one of concern to ArbCom, but so was the admonishment to avoid disruption or even the perception of disruption. But if caveat #5 has been broken.... Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there was considerable discussion prior to my unban; much of it I was party to and, I'm sure, more that I was not. I am quite mindful of every step I take. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I advise readers of this thread to go over the original post and observe how little of the "evidence" actually relates to the purported stalking and harassment, and how flimsy it is, and how much of it is just complaining about stuff that has nothing to do with Jack's dealings with A Nobody. I mean, what do the "lulz" have to do with A Nobody? It looks to me that A Nobody feels that, if he throws enough mud, some of it might stick. Reyk _YO! 12:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll say, but better said by someone else. Terima kasih.

The “for great justice and epic lulz″ bit on my userpage was about Grawp, whom I reverted mercilessly; note the edit summary. That was the day 4chan was on the mainpage and that very minute I was blocked for that edit; I was unblocked the same minute, too, with the summary shit my bad, and and apology a moment later on my talk page. A Nobody also gave a diff to the subsequent note I put in the corner of my userpage; note that my user page is in Category:Rogue sockpuppets. Ya, I make light of things on my user page; I see nothing wrong, or disruptive, about this — and it certainly has nothing to do with A Nobody other than that he doesn't like it. FWIW, his being offended comes months after this stuff went up, so I'm inclined to view him as mud-seeking.

G'day, mate! Jack Merridew 12:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

nb: if one visits the Encyclopædia Dramatica site and searches for my user name, one will find a lovely piece of malicious slander from those assholes (or is that an uncivil personal attack?); please note that I'm not one of them. G'day, Jack Merridew 12:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC) (who's not really from Oz, as Pixelface has asserted)

I agree that A Nobody's strategy of complaint is flawed to the point that I generally consider it disruptive. If you wade through the discussion between us above, you can see that. That's why I asked for one solid diff showing behaviour that could genuinely be described as disruptive. I asked for one, he still gave me ten, but, of those ten, I agreed with him on this one, which I see as an intentional misuse of a template with the intent of causing trouble. Since that is the one piece of rock in the sandstorm, I encourage people to examine it and determine whether it is sufficient to trigger a reban under point 5. If it is, go ahead. If it isn't, drop the discussion, because it was the only potentially actionable accusation in the pile.—Kww(talk) 12:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Oakdale thing began with my noticing that the page then at Oakdale, Texas (now moved and redirected, but see the old page at Oakdale, Texas (Wishbone TV series)) was about a fictional town and that there was, in fact, a real one that we were not covering; I told Cas and A Nobody referring to "The problem with TV cruft". The problem, as I see it, is fictional shite getting into an encyclopædia at the expense of coverage of the real world. I have long seen this as a problem; long before A Nobody, or Pixelface registered — indeed before most users who are around today — I made this move with my original User:Davenbelle account. Today, Rakata is an article about the real island/volcano in Indonesia; it is a part of Krakatoa. However, back in the day, more than 4 years ago, it was an article about a race in Star Wars; Lucas et al hijacked the name for commercial purposes. Anyway, I moved it to a qualified name and started an article about the Real McCoy. The moved article was eventually merged and redirected into a list (and then into another list; have fun digging up the details). This is progress. There is a ton more of this sort of problem to sort and the pop-culture fans are exacerbating it and seeking to thwart many efforts at improving this project.

So, no, I don't believe the fictional Oakdale needed rescuing, but I acknowledge that others might and they had their shot at saving it; see the original source it sported; hardly what I'd call reliable. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

nb: See here there are still inbound links to Rakata that are about Star Wars; the problem with TV cruft is that much of it just snots up the project; this is a problem. Jack Merridew 13:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: I advise readers of this thread to go over the original post and observe how little of the "evidence" actually relates to the purported stalking and harassment, and how flimsy it is, and how much of it is just complaining about stuff that has nothing to do with Jack's dealings with A Nobody.

Obviously there is some contention here, and down playing its signifigance is not going to solve the problem. Michael is asking here: Should Jack be blocked? This is an issue which can be brought up on his arbitrtation enforcement page, not here. But I believe a better route for all parites involved is the voluntary sanctions that both Jack and A Nobody agreed to above. Can we all agree on this at least? Ikip (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The bottom line is that his arbcom appointed mentor Casliber already told him to leave me alone. It is clear that he has disregarded that warning to the point that he actively wants to continue to target me, which is inexcusable on a site with two million articles. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to have to deal with anyone else and it is ridiculous for anyone to become the self-appointed policeman of anyone else. So the only thing further I have to say before I go on break to finish my dissertation is that I agree to Roux's suggstions above as well as my addition, i.e. JM and I totally and completely avoid each other. That is the only acceptable resolution here. He has already been told by an admin to leave me alone. Continuing to harass me beyond this discussion will be frowned upon by any neutral editor and hopefully whether it be Casliber or someone else neutral and objective, they will take action accordingly. I will neither say anything about JM any further and nor will I reply to him. If he can't do the same on a site with not just two million articles, but probably at least thousands of non-article pages (projects, policy discussions, etc.), then that is just downright baffling and absurd. I hope that no on else has to contend with this level of fixation and bullying. It is not right for anyone to continue to pursue someone else after being both instructed by an admin not do so and sternly told by the editor being pursued not to do so, especially given his past. And regardless of whatever some personally think of me, allowing someone to continue to hound another editor after an admin warning not to do so sets an extremely dangerous precedent. We are here to build a paperless encyclopedia, not perpetuate disputes. I do not want any further conflict with this editor; I want him to leave me alone. I am going to leave him alone. Thus, it falls on him if he wants to needlessly antagonize me further and violate an administrator's warning in the process. Thank you DGG, Michael, Ikip et al for being fair and reasonable in this discussion and Protonk and Kww for at least keeping an open-mind. With that good-bye for an indertiminate amount of time. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 16:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

@A Nobody; more mischaracterisation. Jack Merridew 17:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

@Ikip; I outdented as you're replying to Reyk's post. You are hardly a neural party here. I did not agree to roux's proposal, as I said above. G'night, Jack Merridew 17:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

To Jack: The trouble is that you have probably exhausted reserves of good faith that might cause us to believe that you 'rescue' edit was innocuous. I would suggest that you tread very lightly around the whole deletion issue, given the explicit admonitions laid out in the unbanning. further, I would strongly suggest that you agree to and adhere to the spirit of Roux's compromise: stay the hell away from 'A Nobody'. Depending on how you look at it, I'm either a neutral party here or horribly biased, but I can say that the two of us don't have any unique dealings which might predispose me to be unfair to you. Whatever your opinion of 'A Nobody', I can assure you that you (specifically) attempting to "police" him will end poorly for you. Protonk (talk) 19:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Jack has now placed an AfD vote on two separate articles which A Nobody had previously placed a rescue template. [31] then [32], and [33] then [34]. I see he's right when he said he had no intention of abiding by editing restrictions suggested here. Given the context and timing, he seems to be ignoring Kww's very sensible advice. I'm too involved with the parties to block, which at this point I would otherwise do. DGG (talk) 09:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did; and I didn't look at the edit histories of the pages, at least not at who placed whatever rescue templates; I worked on most of these 'Honorverse' pages more than a year ago and opined on every one of them currently listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Everyone please consider supporting the mutual topic ban proposal of Roux above. A nobody supported the mutual topic ban, but Jack refuses. The only other option is a arbitration enforcement. I believe (please correct me if I am wrong) that stalking and harrassment where one of the multiple complaints in the arbitration before too. I think at this point it is in Jack's best interest to support the #Mutual_topicban_proposal Ikip (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Community ban of Jack Merridew

His comments here show that he can't even see his behaviour as wrong. He was let back in, essentially, under the agreement that he not cause trouble again. He's causing trouble again.

Ergo, I suggest that we just cut the knot and get rid of him. Saves us all a lot of trouble and time months down the road if this picks up again. Jtrainor (talk) 08:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Nah — per WP:DEADHORSE. Jack Merridew 08:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• This thread is practically dead already. There's not a whole lot of traction to do anything about Jack, let alone a ban proposal. I don't see this as a productive avenue in any fashion whatsoever. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 08:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• At this point, I will not support a ban, because I don't like bans in general, and the content of the edits is relatively mild, but I do feel that Jack Merridew is toeing the line, and he shouldn't do so. Adding sarcastic {{rescue}} templates on articles he prod-ed and has no intention of rescuing is certainly bad practice, and possibly a WP:POINT infringement. (The rescue squadron try to identify articles worth saving, so don't begin clogging up their lists with articles you don't think belong there.) I strongly support the sentiment by Protonk above that he avoid commenting on A Nobody. Indeed, I would think it wisest for Jack Merridew to avoid commenting on anyone's conduct here. Jack Merridew was up until a few months ago banned for sockpuppetry, stalking and harassment and it took a lot of effort to reveal this misconduct, and for him now to run around commenting on the behavior of other users seems very, very, ironic. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose- Being the target of a large but insubstantial flood of irrelevant diffs does not count as "causing trouble". Reyk _YO! 12:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - I think JM brings a lot to the table. Further I think the statements here are a bit overblown... JM needs to turn the other cheek more often but that's about it I think. ObDisclose: I supported his unban here after working with him on other wikis... he's a good contributor and has learned from his past. ++Lar: t/c 13:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support but willing to change to oppose if Mutual_topicban_proposal is put into effect, by either Jack supporting the proposal or the community forcing him to support it. The effective place to put any ban forward, only after the Mutual_topicban_proposal fails is at Arbitration enforcement, not here. Ikip (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support with respect to Lar It doesn't look like he'd learned from the past. With his prior offenses we have the right to expect a model citizen if he was let back in. That's not what I see.--Cube lurker (talk) 15:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support There is no other practical solution. It's not over the last two or three diffs but over continuing problems. if there was ever a measure that was preventative, it is this. The possibility of his learning to turn the other cheek, as Lar suggests, is now proven to be zero. Contra Reyk,This is not over the present issue, which I agree is not by itself banable, but the present issue added to all the prior ones. Contra Sephiroth, it is obviously not dead--I wish it were, but it's not. DGG (talk) 16:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose I value Lar's opinion here (having waded though the verbiage). Collect (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose completely unnecessary and certainly not a one-sided issue. He is a good contributor, and not getting along with someone who obviously dislikes him as well is no reason to do a community ban, particularly with such overblown "evidence"-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Obviously opposed due to the double standard being applied. The mutual proposal will work with a couple of amendments. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• No, I'd rather we didn't. Protonk (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support - rather obvious that Jack is headed back down the same old road. McJeff (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Here is an instance where Kww was right all along and I was wrong to have tried to assume good faith. Given that JM has a far worse history and problematic edits since being unblocked than say User:Dream Focus who is being jumped on below solely for having a different viewpoint as some of those who oppose above. If they think Dream Focus should be sanctioned, then absolutely JM should be. And to be blunt when I am willing to avoid him, that he is so determined to not avoid me as he expresses here and afain after admin Casliber told him to avoid me, after neutral editor Roux suggested above to "stay the hell away", and after admin Protonk who certainly is willing to be critical of me when he thinks necessary echoed Roux's sentiments, to coninue to fixate on me and to declare as much is both arrogant and disturbing. I refuse to become White Cat 2 and regardless of what anyone thinks personally of me, the community absolutely should not allow that to him. Please do not allow that. Now hopefully this will be suitably resolved so that I can resume my hopfully long break to focus on my real world career. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 19:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the double standard being applied, and the one-sidedness of the situation. His behaviour doesn't seem all that bad compared some other dramas that goes on around here. This is overreacting. What he's doing isn't harrassment. Perhaps he's a bit of a dick sometimes, but most of his contributions help the encyclopedia and we'd be at a loss without him. I definitly don't think he's exhausted the community's patience, and I'd like to see how he contributes if and when the mutual topic ban above goes into effect. ThemFromSpace 20:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. I might give more serious consideration to a proposal to get rid of the both of them, however. Deor (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - that would be using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It would benefit the community more to prevent Jack and A from sniping at each other (and they have both been at it) via the topicban above. Aside from this squabble in a sock-drawer, Jack's unintentional[35] misuse of the {{rescue}} template may deserve a slapped wrist, but not a community ban. pablo_hablo. 20:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose as this is clearly a two to tango situation, and between the two of them, jack does more good here. I can't begin to imagine what Dream Focus has to do with this at all (though DF did recently say "Why not find proof to support your claims that the notability guidelines should be followed." If Jack starts saying things like that, would reconsider my position).Bali ultimate (talk) 20:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose per Reyk. Sceptre ^(talk) 20:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. Jack is a good editor. The "evidence" of disruption is a joke. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 21:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support Jack has not changed in the least since his return. How many second chances does he get before finally getting sent to the cornfield? Shemeska (talk) 21:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Comment Not sure if I support a re-ban at this point, but it does seem clear to me that JM seems intent on testing the limits of his probationary return. I strongly recommend that he direct his energies towards an area other than fiction deletion because right now, this pattern is starting to look eerily simiar to the one that got him banned in the first place. -Chunky Rice (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Community ban of A Nobody

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Resolved

 – This pointless drama is not productive. -Chunky Rice (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Stop it please. Not constructive.--Patton^t/c 22:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It's no secret that A Nobody previously exercised his right to vanish several months ago. It's also no secret he was on thin ice just before he did so. RTV explicitly does not mean "you can come back under a new name". He seems to be using the relatively clean slate to antagonise people (although it may take two to tango). If he can't stay vanished under his old account, he should either disclose his old identity, or be forced to stay vanished. Sceptre ^(talk) 20:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose as farcical. I have been renamed. I have all the old edits and block log of my old account; my talk page's edit history from the previous name still exists, etc. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Perhaps A Nobody's failure to vanish having exercised the right to do so needs reviewing, but I suspect not here. pablo_hablo. 20:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• Recomendation Sceptre strike or colapse this.--Cube lurker (talk) 20:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Black Kite, this is a serious proposal. A Nobody: RTV means RTV, not RTCBUANNASTA. Your account was renamed per RTV. Sceptre ^(talk) 22:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Sceptre don't be an idiot. He's a great contributer. Who cares about his old pumpkin name? IAR. Go blabbing it to everyone if you like but I strongly advise against it.--Patton^t/c 22:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• As LGR was renamed per RTV, he must not use the new name to contribute. If he is allowed to "unvanish", he can do so, but he must acknowledge his old name publicly as a matter of small-o oversight. Otherwise, he's deceiving people into thinking he's a new contributor. Sceptre ^(talk) 22:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• That's a pile of bureacratic tosh. He's basically said "I got into drama with my old name and do not want to talk about it again". Rather than start drama on ANI about it you should just repect his wishes. I really can't understand your motivation for this.--Patton^t/c 22:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Because he exercised his right to vanish and got his account renamed. Again, Right to Vanish is not a right to start under a fresh identity. That isn't bureaucratic tosh. That's there to make sure people don't abuse RtV by constantly coming back under new names. Sceptre ^(talk) 22:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You just don't get it do you? Because he came back under his new name, that means he didn't excersice his right to vanish. He is under no obligation to reveal his old name. I have never talked about my old name, even though I changed it because of personal preference, not drama.--Patton^t/c 22:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You just don't get it either, do you? RTV is a commitment to vanish permanently. If he wanted to leave, he could just stop editing. But using RTV to get renamed, then coming back a few weeks later and starting editing is an abuse of the tool. It must be emphasised that RTV is a permanent commitment. Sceptre ^(talk) 22:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

He didn't exercise any right to vanish. There is prima facie evidence of this. He's still editing. It doesn't matter what anyone put in a rename summary. As far as we're concerned he requested rename due to hassle with his previous username, then politely asked peopel never to speak of his old name again.--Patton^t/c 23:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Ahem. "I have invoked my right to vanish due to off-wiki harassment". Sceptre ^(talk) 23:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Which DGG has confirmed was true. You are more concerned about going after me than about an editor's safety when an admin respected by inclusionists and deletionists alike has confirmed my claims. And you are derailing a discussion about another editor by trying to make it about someone else, which is beyond unacceptable. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 23:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• If you were concerned about your own safety, you'd stop editing Wikipedia. Seriously. If something is causing you so much grief, it's foolish to keep doing that something. Sceptre ^(talk) 23:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the same block log, same edit history, same talk page edit history and my old name redirects to my userspace. This is hardly a "new identity". And by the way, you do realize you have violated 3RR?

• Previous version reverted to: [36]
• 1st revert: [37]
• 2nd revert: [38]
• 3rd revert: [39]
• 4th revert: [40]
• Diff of 3RR warning: [41]

Three different editors User:Black Kite, User:Patton123, and I have reverted him and another User:Sephiroth BCR old him on his talk page advised against it, as did Cube Lurker at AN/I. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 22:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, reversions two and three were reverting vandalism as you were removing my comments, when you know you know better. Sceptre ^(talk) 23:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not the vanishing which is the problem (so much, although that should still have been cleaner); it's the (still-unrepentant) socking while he was vanished, and the return to old form which came with his unblock. Insomuch as he's spent most of the last day campaigning for JM to be banned for older, repentant socking, you'd rather think this would get more attention. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I am asking that JM stop wikistalking and wikiharassing me; I did not initiate the ban request against him. My request is that he stop following me around and mocking me and given that an admin (Casliber) already warned him as much, since Casliber hasn't edited in a couple days someone else renew that warning. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 23:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please. Stop characterising every opposition to you as "harassment" and "stalking". It belittles and cheapens what people who have been really harassed and stalked. And if you really are having the depression and the panic attacks you'd get with people who have really been harassed, you honestly need to spend less time on Wikipedia. Sceptre ^(talk) 23:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Proposal: Community ban of Sceptre

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Resolved

 – Stop it please. Not constructive. Black Kite 20:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Previously blocked for harassment. Seems only interested in escalating tensions. Sincerley, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Now that's just ridiculous. Sincerely. pablo_hablo. 20:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

He was similarly previously blocked for harassing inclusionist editors and given that the above suggests an effort to derail a discussion concerning an ally of his to instead go after me... Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

• Recomendation A Nobody strike or colapse this.--Cube lurker (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Suggestion

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Mediation if possible, otherwise conduct RfC on any of the three parties here. Two things are apparent:

1. You're oil and water. Or more properly, oil and vinegar and lettuce in an unusually combustible salad.
2. Nothing is getting resolved at this venue.

I like and respect all three of you, in different ways. And all three of you have histories that merit a degree of modesty and circumspection. Please shake cyberhands, mutually declare this thread closed, and demonstrate that good faith well placed by taking your concerns to a venue that's more likely to resolve the matter productively. With best wishes, Durova^Charge! 22:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Once it is clear that this thread is resolved today I will indeed go on a wikibreak to finish my dissertation as I intended to do. If anyone wants to discuss with me if/when I come back in good and constructive faith, I am happy to do so. I just want to be sure that if/when I come back I am not going to be followed around by anyone who has previously been sanctioned for harassment. In the meantime, I have set up User:A_Nobody/RfA#Suggestions and User_talk:A_Nobody/Deletion_discussions#Request_for_feedback for feedback from good faith editors. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 22:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)