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::The part {{tq|does not reflect any conduct for which desysopping would be a proportionate response}} goes beyond a finding of fact and into a remedy, contradicting remedies 2b-d (which several of the supports here have also voted for). Can we take it out? {{ping|Worm That Turned|SilkTork|Opabinia regalis|KrakatoaKatie|Premeditated Chaos|AGK}} &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 14:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
::The part {{tq|but does not reflect any conduct for which desysopping would be a proportionate response}} goes beyond a finding of fact and into a remedy, and seemingly contradicting remedies 2b-d (which several of the supports here have also voted for). Can we take it out? {{ping|Worm That Turned|SilkTork|Opabinia regalis|KrakatoaKatie|Premeditated Chaos|AGK}} &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 14:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
:::Or perhaps just reword it to be more precise, e.g. {{tq|but does consitute [[WP:TOOLMISUSE|misuse of administrative tools]]}}. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 15:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)


===Evaluation of Office-provided case materials===
===Evaluation of Office-provided case materials===

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Proposed final decision

Proposed principles

User conduct

1) Editors on the English Wikipedia are expected to abide by the site's policies and guidelines. When an editor seriously or repeatedly violates these expectations, sanctions may be imposed, in accordance with policy, by an uninvolved administrator, by community consensus after discussion on a noticeboard, or by the Arbitration Committee. Administrators are also expected to abide by the applicable policies and guidelines and to exercise good judgement, especially in connection with major administrator actions such as blocking a good-faith editor, and for failure to do so may be subject to sanctions including desysopping by the Committee.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Wikimedia Foundation role

2) The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), sometimes referred to as the "Office," is the legal owner of the English Wikipedia website and infrastructure. Working through professional staff, many of whom also have experience as volunteer editors and community members, the Office plays an important and necessary role in administering the site. Historically, however, the Office has not intervened directly in day-to-day English Wikipedia project governance, and in particular has not handled user-conduct complaints involving on-wiki conduct, except in narrow circumstances that are unsuited for resolution by community volunteers. In the past, the Arbitration Committee has expressly asked that the Office handle certain narrow categories of misconduct complaints, but not that it take on a broader supervisory role regarding on-wiki day-to-day user or administrator conduct.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Moreover, the WMF have poorly articulated whether (and why, and how) they are seeking to change this role. AGK ■ 10:35, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Civility

3) Editors are expected to show reasonable courtesy to one another, even during contentious situations and disagreements. See Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. And where they temporarily forget this principle, to try making amends. I rarely see "sorry" written in a conversation on Wikipedia. AGK ■ 10:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Harassment

4) Editors must not harass other editors either on or off Wikipedia. Although some types of misconduct will clearly constitute harassment and warrant sanctions, in other cases whether harassment has occurred may be more borderline or subjective. The views and feelings of editors who believe in good faith that they are being or have been harassed are to be respected and fully considered, whether or not it is ultimately concluded that harassment actually occurred. Because the word "harassment" spans a wide variety of types of behavior, and because this word as used off-wiki can carry serious legal and human-resources overtones, at times it may be better to describe allegedly problematic on-wiki behavior such as "wikihounding" with more specific terminology.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Following another editor's contributions

5) It is important, though it can sometimes be difficult, to distinguish between an editor's reviewing and, as appropriate, correcting or commenting on the edits of a fellow editor making problematic edits, which is acceptable and in some cases even necessary, and the practice referred to as "wikihounding" or "wikistalking," which constitutes a form of harassment and is prohibited. See Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding. While the line separating proper from improper behavior in this area may not always be sharply defined, relevant factors include whether the subject editor's contributions are actually viewed as problematic by multiple users or the community; whether the concerned editor raises concerns appropriately on talkpages or noticeboards and explains why the edits are problematic; and ultimately, whether the concerns raised reasonably appear to be motivated by good-faith, substantiated concerns about the quality of the encyclopedia, rather than personal animus against a particular editor.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Administrators' pursuit of issues

6) Administrators should bear in mind that they have many colleagues. If an administrator finds themself in repeated disagreement with another good-faith but allegedly problematic editor, or if other editors disagree with the administrator's actions regarding that editor, it may be better practice for the administrator to request input or review from others, such as by posting on the appropriate noticeboard, rather than continue to address the issue unilaterally. This can be true even if the administrator may not formally be "involved" in a dispute with that editor. Whether to handle a matter oneself or seek broader input can be a judgment call as in more clear-cut instances, an individual administrator may be justified in addressing the problem decisively on their own. The question to be asked can be whether bringing more voices into the discussion will enhance the chances of a fair and well-informed resolution that will be respected as such by the affected editor and by others. A corollary is that this approach can work only if other admins and experienced editors are prepared to invest the time and effort needed to review a situation and provide input when asked to do so.

Support:
  1. This is certainly a factor in this case. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Proportionality of sanctions

7) No matter who is the sanctioning authority, any sanctions imposed on an editor or administrator for misconduct should be proportionate to the nature and severity of the conduct. Relevant factors to consider may also include how recently the misconduct took place, how clear it is that the behavior constituted misconduct, whether the editor has expressed or carried out an intent to improve their conduct, and whether lesser sanctions have been employed without success in trying to resolve the problem. For example, a lengthy site-ban will usually not be the appropriate sanction for on-wiki conduct by an experienced, good-faith contributor who has never previously been blocked at all.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. Oppose as written: the final sentence is dangerous territory, even in a statement of principle or as a generalisation. The community sometimes neglects to deal early on with a problematic user, which compounds the problem they pose. When we finally recognise the problem, it may call for apparently draconian action because lesser measures would fail to solve the problem. Excising the problematic behaviour of a contributor is difficult, especially when the contributor is one of our own. Principles like this are inhibitive. AGK ■ 10:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:

Proposed findings of fact

Fram

1) Fram is a long-time active editor and administrator on the English Wikipedia. They have been a high-profile administrator and a party to various disputes over the years, but had never been blocked prior to the events that prompted this case ([1]). The Arbitration Committee declined several times to accept requests for arbitration filed against them (2018, 2016) and, where they were involved in cases, have not produced findings against them. The WMF Office sent a "conduct warning" to Fram in April 2018, and a reminder of that warning in March 2019. The Committee has seen copies of the warnings sent to Fram, as well as Fram's response.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:50, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Office ban of Fram

2) On June 10, 2019, the WMF Office announced that Fram was banned from the English Wikipedia for a period of one year, effective immediately, as a non-appealable Office action. No detailed public rationale was provided for the action at that time and the Office has explained that a full explanation cannot be provided as non-public information was involved. As part of the same Office action, Fram's administrator status on English Wikipedia was revoked. Unlike almost all "Office action" bans in the past, the ban was limited in duration and did not affect Fram's participation on other Wikimedia Foundation projects such as Commons and Meta.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:50, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Events following the ban

3) The Office's one-year ban of Fram led to extensive discussion within the English Wikipedia community. While a variety of views were expressed, a consensus emerged that the English Wikipedia community wishes to retain its role, including the role of the community-elected Arbitration Committee where necessary, in regulating user conduct on this wiki, rather than have the Office undertake that role in cases that can be handled through existing on-wiki or ArbCom processes. In an open letter, the Committee directly expressed to the Office a similar view. In response, the WMF Board and Katherine Maher, on behalf of the Foundation agreed to provide case materials to facilitate the Committee's review of the scope and length of Fram's ban.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Mkdw talk 19:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. AGK ■ 10:51, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Community-provided evidence

4) In addition to receiving the information provided by the Office on a confidential basis, the Arbitration Committee invited members of the community to submit relevant evidence directly to the Committee by e-mail. On August 19, 2019, the Committee posted a summary of the community-provided evidence, as well as Fram's reply to that evidence. The Committee was not authorized to post, and therefore did not post to Fram or the community at large, the case materials provided by the Office or a summary of that evidence.

Support:
  1. Throughout the process, I have attempted to be consistent with the idea that I would weigh the community evidence higher than the Office evidence. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Per Bovlb on the talk page, I've added "to Fram or the community at large". Please revert if any arb has an issue with the addition. WormTT(talk) 08:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. AGK ■ 10:54, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Evaluation of community-provided evidence

5) The evidence provided by the community, as summarized on the evidence page, reveals instances of incivility or lack of decorum on Fram's part, but does not reflect any conduct for which a site-ban would be a proportionate response. In addition, the evidence reveals instances in which Fram has made mistakes as an administrator, including the overturned blocks of Martinevans and GorillaWarfare, but does not reflect any conduct for which desysopping would be a proportionate response.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    On second thoughts, I can't support all of this. See my comment below. – Joe (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. The community evidence documented a great deal of disruptive and harmful conduct. While I agree that the community (or this committee) would not site-ban any user who had conducted themselves in that way, this finding is too lenient with Fram and I oppose it on that basis. AGK ■ 11:06, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
  1. GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
The part but does not reflect any conduct for which desysopping would be a proportionate response goes beyond a finding of fact and into a remedy, and seemingly contradicting remedies 2b-d (which several of the supports here have also voted for). Can we take it out? @Worm That Turned, SilkTork, Opabinia regalis, KrakatoaKatie, Premeditated Chaos, and AGK: – Joe (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Or perhaps just reword it to be more precise, e.g. but does consitute misuse of administrative tools. – Joe (talk) 15:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Evaluation of Office-provided case materials

6) The Office provided case materials to the Arbitration Committee, upon which they based their conduct warnings and ban. The materials were partially redacted, notably removing the initial complaints as well as other information within the file. These unredacted materials show a pattern of borderline harassment against multiple individuals, through hounding the individuals and excessively highlighting their failures. In the period after receiving their second private conduct warning, Fram was abusive towards the Committee as a whole and specific members. The Office subsequently enacted a 1-year ban and desysopped Fram.

Support:
  1. There was an awful lot of raw information in the document, but this is a good high level summary. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. As noted in the principles, "harassment" and "abuse" carry a deal of subjectivity. Personally I would not call the conduct in the T&S report harassment, rather incivility or possibly wikihounding, and I don't consider his comments towards arbs/ArbCom abusive, at least in the context of the dismally low standard of civility which the community currently appears to consider appropriate when offering 'feedback' to the committee. But semantics aside, I can support the substance of this finding of fact: that Fram sometimes takes his criticism of other editors too far, that multiple people have experienced this as harassment, and that he consistently fails to assume good faith in ArbCom and other 'authorities' within the movement. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Fram's criticisms of others would tend to start from a position of Fram observing conduct he found inappropriate, and then escalate in frustration when he felt that the response to his observations were not acceptable. Such escalations would inevitably prove to be counter-productive. Fram's motives would generally be good, but by indulging his frustrations to the extent of becoming hostile, he was creating a chilling atmosphere in which it was difficult for the criticised person to feel confident they could improve. Fram is not alone on Wikipedia in indulging his frustrations - indeed, this is a known civility issue. Our community is notably understanding of the stresses involved in creating an online encyclopedia. Indeed, I think only those who have been closely involved in content creation, such as the bulk of the Wikipedia editing community, can fully understand such stresses. As such the community has historically been tolerant toward those who indulge their frustrations as a result of editing stress, especially when those who indulge their frustrations are otherwise hugely beneficial to the project. However, such community tolerance needs to be adjusted so we don't allow otherwise well meaning and respected editors to sound off and harass other editors simply because they are frustrated at the lack of progress to their criticisms. It should not have been the Foundation who spoke to Fram, it should have been us the community reaching out in a collegial manner to advise him to cool it a bit. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. If the general behavior of Fram described in the document was the cut-and-dried, egregious behavior that typically comes to mind when you think of "harassment" (outing, off-wiki stalking, hateful comments, etc.), they would have long ago have been ejected from the community. But most of the behavior was firmly within that grey area of hostility that Wikipedia has struggled to handle for as long as I've been here. It is not behavior that is well covered by policy, nor is it easy behavior to address with "partial sanctions" (a term I'm using here to describe sanctions short of blocks and sitebans, such as topic and interaction bans) to remove the person from areas where it's occurring. I will also note that much of this behavior falls even within the grey areas of what could be called "hounding". GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. The document describes behavior that is unpleasant, uncollegial, and arrogant. It's often been said that Fram's obvious commitment to accuracy mitigates these characteristics, but there's good reason to believe that this kind of behavior is counterproductive even on its own terms; people don't learn well when they're stressed, fearful, defensive, or distracted. GW is right that this is difficult behavior to address with ordinary sanctions, but honestly I think a few interaction bans would've been effective had the relevant material been raised through community processes. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. The WMF document isn't pretty. It's full of belligerent, arrogant, in-your-face conduct by a long-time administrator. Fram should know better than to treat people, any people, like this. That said, I agree with GW that it's not cut-and-dried "harassment" of the kind normally associated with that word, and I agree with SilkTork that we have to adjust our expectations and tolerance regarding this kind of behavior. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. There's not much to say about this finding that hasn't been said already. SilkTork hit the nail on the head when he wrote that the community needs to step up and handle this kind of behavior, especially when it comes from well-regarded content creators. Civility is not optional; it is the fourth pillar. It is absolutely possible to disagree with others and even criticize their conduct without being belligerent about it, and it's time for our tolerance of prominent editors treating others badly to end. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. AGK ■ 10:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

No off-wiki misconduct

7) There was no evidence of off-wiki misconduct in either the Office provided case materials, or the community provided evidence.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This is important to point out, as until now it has generally been safe to assume that office actions do involve off- or cross-wiki matters. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. This is important, as Joe says. It certainly was my assumption. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. It was my assumption as well, and I was surprised that there was no off-wiki evidence in the document. None. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. AGK ■ 10:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Remaining issues

8) Beyond the specifics of Fram's case, there is a broadly shared view that Wikipedia/Wikimedia processes for raising and addressing harassment-related issues warrant continued review and potential improvement. However, there is a consensus that on-wiki issues on English Wikipedia should generally remain within the purview of the English Wikipedia volunteer community, including this Committee, unless there are specific reasons that the Office should address a particular concern or type of concern.

Support:
  1. It's worth noting that in my opinion "attacks against the committee" - which makes it more difficult for the committee to act - does not constitute a specific reason for the Office to act. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I will echo WTT that it is both difficult and awkward for the Arbitration Committee to handle issues involving attacks on the Committee itself, but that has historically not prevented the ArbCom from handling cases in which some of the named parties have attacked the Committee or its members. It would perhaps be worthwhile to include discussion on how best to handle this particular issue in the RfC that will (assuming the remedy passes) follow this case. "Specific reasons" in this finding of fact is somewhat vague, but the on-wiki issues that the English Wikipedia (and the ArbCom specifically) leaves to the Office primarily include legal threats, child protection issues, and threats of harm. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. What WTT and GW said. Awkwardness is not sufficient justification to bypass community processes. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. We're people too, we arbitrators, but we got ourselves into this mess to make hard choices, and usually there are people who disagree with some or all of those choices. I said somewhere else that it's okay to say what you want about the group and we individuals as long as you do it respectfully. I agree with WTT that an attack on a committee member or the committee as a group isn't by itself a suitable excuse for the Office to get involved. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. We probably need to start hearing complaints about our own actions in a more structured manner, by creating a formal appeals process. "Attacks against the committee" are, at their heart, Wikipedia users asking us to do something differently. Methodically handling the requests of such users gives all stakeholders a predictable, transparent process for effecting change – which takes the heat out of situations and turns "attacks" into "discussion". People are so harsh because it seems like the only way of getting an arbitrator to listen. AGK ■ 11:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Community consultation

9) Whilst this case was ongoing, the Office drafted a "Community consultation on partial and temporary office actions". The full consultation is expected in early September 2019.

Support:
  1. WormTT(talk) 14:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. – Joe (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SilkTork (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Katietalk 14:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Accurate. AGK ■ 11:02, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Fram's 1 year ban is vacated

1a) The Committee decides that Fram's ban was not required, and therefore vacates it.

Support:
  1. Fram's conduct has been problematic in many respects, but on balance I do not think either ArbCom or the community would have banned them under the same circumstances. The problem was not so much what they were doing (they are almost always right in their criticism of other editor's conduct, and the project needs people willing to scrutinise those in positions of trust) but how they were going about it. In other words, Fram definitely needs to soften their approach, but unless and until it's shown that they're not going to do that, a ban would be punitive rather than preventative. – Joe (talk) 16:13, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The problem here has not been Fram in isolation, it has been the community in allowing a committed and well meaning editor to behave rudely and aggressively. Fram is not the only editor who has felt justified in speaking harshly to others, and has not faced the whole community expressing their disapproval. Every editor on this community who supports hostility as a method of dealing with concerns, is responsible for what happened to Fram. Fram should not be punished for the environment we created which allowed him to feel he was justified in his aggression. SilkTork (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As I wrote in my comment accompanying my vote in FoF 6, most of Fram's behavior that was mentioned in evidence fell "firmly within that grey area of hostility that Wikipedia has struggled to handle for as long as I've been here." There were occasional instances that were severe (the attacks against ArbCom as one example), but the majority of the issue is that on multiple occasions Fram has identified editors whose contributions they have felt were substandard, and then over a significant period of time followed (see principle 5) those editors and scrutinized their contributions extremely closely, often bluntly and sometimes quite rudely. Although correcting the errors of other editors is a key part of Wikipedia's culture, editors are expected to do so carefully and constructively. If an editor believes that another editor with whom they have clashed is displaying a pattern of substandard contributions, they should involve neutral parties to address that concern rather than hounding that editor (principle 6).
    Although I believe Fram's behavior has been unacceptable (both the attacks and the excessive scrutiny), the community in general has not taken a strong stance against editors who maintain plausible deniability that they are not intentionally harassing other editors, but are only focused on improving the encyclopedia. This is particularly true for administrators, editors who have been active for a long time, and those whose own contributions are exceptional—Fram fit within all three of these categories.
    The community (including the Arbitration Committee) has also generally allowed more leeway when it comes to attacks against groups, particularly groups with more "power" than the editor making the attack (in this case, the Arbitration Committee).
    As it currently exists, the section of harassment policy that discusses hounding leaves plenty of room for Fram's behavior—the concerns they raised were not always without "good cause", and (as evidenced by the extensive discussion that has happened at WP:FRAM and elsewhere) it is not without question that Fram was engaging in these behaviors with the intention of causing distress. Policy also makes no room for the distinct possibility that there is a discrepancy between whether a target of these discussions experiences distress and whether the instigator intends to cause it.
    Even was it agreed that Fram was hounding editors, it is unlikely that this behavior would have led to a lengthy ban (either of one year or of three months). More likely it would have been addressed with interaction bans, or possibly a topic ban from the area(s) of conflict—very likely it would have resulted in a desysop. While I do not agree that "partial sanctions" (interaction/topic bans) tend to put a stop to this kind root behavior (they rather are more like playing whack-a-mole when the behavior comes to a head), they are the standard. I suspect that the Wikimedia Foundation also disagreed that these sanctions are useful in addressing the cause of the issue, and, like myself, wished to see the English Wikipedia take a stronger stance on harassment and other behaviors that can drive editors away from the project. However, imposing the ban themselves was not an appropriate or effective way to move forward, and neither would it be appropriate for the Arbitration Committee to do so (or for me to vote that we do).
    It is the community as a whole that accepts these kinds of behaviors, and it cannot be just one body (the WMF or the Arbitration Committee) that decides they are unacceptable and acts against them. If the community does not wish to allow editors, even those who have made great contributions to this project or edited for years, to drive off other editors with plausibly productive but intensely critical focus, then the community must take a stance against this behavior in policy and in support for said policy's enforcement. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I find myself agreeing strongly with almost every word GW has written. If we take the WMF out of the equation, a ban would likely not have happened - therefore the correct decision is to vacate the ban completely. First choice. WormTT(talk) 07:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. GW's post is very thoughtful. I agree that I almost certainly would not have supported banning Fram based on the evidence available if it had come to us in a normal community process, so I have to support vacating the attempt to impose that sanction from outside those processes. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. I don't think a ban would have had any support if this had come to us, so I can't support keeping the sanction in place, but it's not a get out of jail free card, at least not from me. Katietalk 14:43, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Per GW and Katie - this does not mean I believe Fram's conduct has been acceptable, but if WMF hadn't stepped in, it's unlikely this would have been resolved with a ban. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Fram should not have been banned. AGK ■ 11:06, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Fram's 1 year ban is disproportionate

1b) The Committee decides that Fram's ban of 1 year was disproportionate, and therefore removes it with time served.

Support:
  1. This is currently where I sit, however I do not currently oppose the other options. WormTT(talk) 14:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Moving to second choice, having read GW's comments. WormTT(talk) 07:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Second choice after 1a. – Joe (talk) 16:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Second choice after 1a. SilkTork (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Second choice, per my comment at 1a. Although the siteban was a disproportionate sanction, some sanction to end the behavior would have been appropriate, as would a desysop. I don't think a three-month ban would've been my first choice, but given that Fram has now been banned for that period and desysopped I would rather we move forward with the unban, take over the desysop, and require another RfA than spend time trying to settle on an additional sanction that would be representative of current policy, actually address the issue at hand, and not be punitive. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Seemingly-unnecessary second-choice vote. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Second choice after 1a. Katietalk 14:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Second choice, although 1a looks like it will unanimously pass. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. Refer to my comment on Remedy 1a. Banning Fram was wrong in the first place. AGK ■ 11:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:

Fram's 1 year ban is justified

1c) The Committee decides that Fram's ban of 1 year was justified and shall remain in force.

Support:
Oppose:
  1. Per my comments under 1a. – Joe (talk) 16:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SilkTork (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per my comments at 1a. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I've said before that I don't believe in time limited bans, so would have voted against this one either way. Had I felt it was justified, I would be proposing an indefinite ban. WormTT(talk) 07:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Per WTT. Katietalk 14:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. AGK ■ 11:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:

Fram's sysop userright is reinstated

2a) The Committee decides that the removal of Fram's sysop userright was not needed, and therefore returns it to him.

Support:
  1. Second choice, per my comment under 2c. WormTT(talk) 08:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Honestly, I am really weakly in support here. Especially after reading Fram's comments on meta since the PD was posted - yes, under the circumstances it's understandable to be upset and angry, but that did weaken my feelings here. I'm always surprised at how infrequently people in this community take advantage of golden opportunities to be the bigger person. It doesn't even have to be out of altruism, or a desire for warm fuzzy feelings. If you respond graciously to being wronged, and acknowledge your own part in the situation, people are more likely to respect you, and your ability to persuade the community of your views will improve. The right tactical approach here is "You know, I really care deeply about this project; I hoped to use my research skills to improve the accuracy of our content, and I never meant to cause anyone any distress. I regret that I had that effect and now commit to changing my behavior in the future by [fill in the blank] so that we can continue to improve the quality of our content in a less stressful way." That would be a convincing demonstration that the interest really was in quality and not in Being Right, and an acknowledgment that there are less unpleasant ways of pursuing the same positive goal. The wrong response is "here are many many paragraphs about why I was right about everything and everyone else is wrong wrong wrong." But. Buuuuuuut. If this had all come to us as a normal case, I really doubt I would have supported a desysop. So I can't convince myself to get on board the "new RfA" train now. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. Per my comment under 2c. – Joe (talk) 18:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not sure about the wording (but I have not been involved in shaping the PD, so unaware of the thinking behind it) as it might be seen as odd to siteban an admin but allow them to keep their admin tools, but regardless of the wording, I think the question of Fram's admin status should be decided by the community when he returns to Wikipedia and is able to respond to questions and assure the community that he will tone down his frustration, and if someone is not responding how he would like, that he gets at least one other admin to look into the issue. SilkTork (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Per my comments at 2c. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Also per my comments at 2c. Katietalk 14:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I don't really know where to put this vote—I oppose this because the WMF should not have removed Fram's userright, and I also oppose us choosing to not take over the desysop. However, it is my second choice to option 2d. Although I think removing Fram's sysop rights is the correct outcome, I do not support "declining to reinstate" the userrights removed by the Wikimedia Foundation. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:

Trust of the community (resysop)

2b) The Committee declines to unilaterally reinstate Fram's sysop userright, preferring to trust that decision to the community at an WP:RfA. Fram may request the user-right through an WP:RfA at any time on his return.

Support:
  1. This is where I currently sit. WormTT(talk) 14:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm going to re-affirm this vote here. My opinions on Fram's behaviour are not relevant here, because Fram hasn't had a fair shake, no chance to see the full evidence (all he has now is a summary that we've put together). I would quite happily pass this to the community for a re-confirmation RfA, where Fram can explain himself and the community can make up their minds based on what's happened in this case and their own opinions of Fram, but I cannot support an effective arbcom desysop (and therefore prejudging any subsequent RfA) based largely of evidence that Fram could not see. My second choice has to be returning the user-right. WormTT(talk) 08:12, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This is what I thought I was voting for at 2c, but now that the wording has been clarified, this is my position. I don't think ArbCom has the authority from the community to either desysop or resysop Fram. I will repeat here what I said at 2c that Fram has infringed WP:ADMINCOND "Administrators are expected to lead by example and to behave in a respectful, civil manner in their interactions with others." I do feel that Fram lost sight of that "respectful, civil manner" enough times that the community should decide if they have confidence that he will adjust his behavior going forward. I think it's either this, or we find a solution which encourages Fram to seek assistance from fellow admins to deal with problematic users/issues before he loses patience. SilkTork (talk) 15:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. First choice. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:35, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. In favour of 2c 2d – the effect of the two remedies are the same, but I don't think it's the committee's place to tell Fram they have to go through a new RfA. They may prefer not to. – Joe (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    In favour of 2c. SilkTork (talk) 18:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  2. Prefer 2c, which is less ambiguous. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC) Per my comments at 2d. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree, prefer 2c. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Also prefer 2c. Katietalk 14:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. The conduct issues were remanded to ArbCom and we should resolve them entirely. Punting this back to the community would not be right. AGK ■ 11:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:
I think Kusma's question on the talk page is worth addressing—is this meant to be interpreted to mean that we would open a discussion at RfA immediately after the case closed? It would be quite odd to do so if Fram had no interest in regaining their admin rights. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:25, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kusma and any others, the idea of this remedy was that the decision on whether Fram should remain an administrator should remain with the community. Therefore the matter should be referred there, without prejudice of a statement about admin behaviour from Arbcom. Fram should be able to chose when he can run through the RfA process, it need not be immediate, or happen at all should they not chose to. WormTT(talk) 07:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think if the wording were along the lines suggested by Barkeep49: "ArbCom wishes to entrust the decision about whether to restore Fram as an administrator to the community", then I could get behind this. How about The Committee declines to unilaterally reinstate Fram's sysop userright, preferring to trust that decision to the community at an WP:RfA. Fram may request the user-right through an WP:RfA at any time on his return.. SilkTork (talk) 12:07, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SilkTork, I'd certainly support that rewording, it's the point I was hoping to make. And since I'm the only arb currently in the support column, feel free to reword WormTT(talk) 12:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and made the switch WormTT(talk) 14:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of sysop user-rights

2c) The behaviour shown in the case materials, combined with the overturned decisions mentioned in the community evidence, fall below the standards expected for an administrator. Accordingly, the committee declines to reinstate Fram's sysop userright. Fram may request the user-right through an WP:RfA

Support:
I firmly believe that admins should be held to the highest standard of conduct. Enough doubt has been cast on Fram's conduct in this case that, at the least, another RfA is appropriate. – Joe (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC) Moved to 2d. – Joe (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ADMINCOND "Administrators are expected to lead by example and to behave in a respectful, civil manner in their interactions with others." I do feel that Fram lost sight of that "respectful, civil manner" enough times that the community should decide if they have confidence that he will adjust his behavior going forward. SilkTork (talk) 17:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fram's behavior has not met the standards at WP:ADMINCOND, and so I am not in favor of returning their sysop userright without a new RfA. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC) Striking this in favor of 2d. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Second choice after 1. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. While I do not support a ban, Fram's conduct falls far below what we expect at ADMINCOND. If the community is okay with that, by all means, resysop him. Katietalk 14:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Second choice after 2b. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. While they were hard-working with the bit, the evidence in this case clarified for me that Fram consistently fails to adhere to our community's expectations of how administrators should behave with other users. How we got to considering this question does not alter what is the correct outcome: we should not be leaving a sysop bit with Fram. AGK ■ 11:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. I'm torn between 2a and 2c - which is the whole reason I created 2b. I do feel that Fram has overstepped the bounds of ADMINCOND, per the other arbs, however the process to have the bits removed was not followed. Fram was not able to comment on the WMF evidence, had he sat out the WMF ban, he may have been re-sysopped immediately. When it comes down to it, if we do not refer this to the community, then I believe my second choice is that we restore the user-right and allow the community to bring a proper case - should it be needed. WormTT(talk) 08:07, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose in favour of 2b. I am actually not in favour of either desysopping or resysopping Fram. I am in favour of a community discussion via RfA, which is what 2b is about. Based on the evidence before us and the community, Fram has infringed WP:ADMINCOND, however he has done this with good rather than malicious intent. Given Fram's hostile attitude toward ArbCom, I don't feel an admonishment from ArbCom would be that effective. And civility restrictions are contentious to enforce. I would rather Fram willingly agree to dial back his behaviour and seek assistance with problematic users/issues, and the best place I see for that - at the moment - is via a RfA. My reading of Fram is that he is honest and has good intentions, so if he says to the community that he will dial back his frustrations, I would believe him and vote for him. SilkTork (talk) 16:02, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I do not support "declining to reinstate" Fram's sysop rights. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:
Worm That Turned Following up on some questions from the talk page: Why is combined with the overturned decisions mentioned in the community evidence included when FoF 5 says the evidence reveals instances in which Fram has made mistakes as an administrator, including the overturned blocks of Martinevans and GorillaWarfare, but does not reflect any conduct for which desysopping would be a proportionate response? GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:09, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
GorillaWarfare, FoF5 on its own was not proportionate, but in combination with FoF6, it could be used to justify the remedy. That said, I wrote the remedy to open discussion, and as I haven't supported myself, perhaps tweaking in conjunction with arbs who feel this is the right way forward may be a good idea. WormTT(talk) 17:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that Fram's behavior as described in FoF6 is sufficient for a desysop, but do not wish to factor in the overturned admin actions. I'll add a new option for it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:28, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of sysop user-rights (2)

2d) The behaviour shown in the case materials falls below the standards expected for an administrator. Accordingly, the committee takes over the decision to remove Fram's administrator tools. They may regain the administrative tools at any time via a successful request for adminship.

Support:
  1. Fram's behavior has not met the standards at WP:ADMINCOND, and is sufficiently severe that I think it is appropriate to remove Fram's admin tools. This whole business about whether we "decline to reinstate" the tools or decide to remove them ourselves seems strange—in my view, we either restore the status quo or we decide to take over the desysop decision as our own. We've agreed that the Wikimedia Foundation should not be in the business of placing these time-limited bans for reasons outside of the ones we allude to in P2 and FoF8, so we should not be upholding the accompanying desysop without ourselves agreeing it was necessary. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per my comments on 2c. The effect is the same, so equal choice for me. AGK ■ 11:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I firmly believe that admins should be held to the highest standard of conduct. Enough doubt has been cast on Fram's conduct in this case that, at the least, another RfA is appropriate. – Joe (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Moved from 2c. I agree that the overturned blocks are not really a problem, and having read the comments on the talk page about the WMF being out of process, also think that we should come down squarely on one side or the other. – Joe (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Fram restricted

3) Fram is indefinitely restricted to posts of 500 words or less in any venue – including AN, ANI, any noticeboard, any article talk page, any user talk page, and any arbitration page – on any single issue. They may appeal this restriction in one year.

Support:
  1. This was my suggestion, spitballing while discussing the PD, so everybody on the talk page can aim their tomato-throwing at me. I still like it - Fram is often tireless in their pursuit of an issue once they've spotted it, and has habits of repeatedly pursuing the same complaint, of fluffing up complaints with very tiny nitpicks so they look voluminous when posted on the noticeboards, and of returning to the same users over and over again with new complaints. The purpose of this restriction is, they get a limited amount of the community's time to attract attention to any particular issue. If Fram successfully convinces others that there's a problem, good - they've done their job and can trust that it will be others' job to follow up. This disrupts the "dog with a bone" pattern that develops in some of Fram's interactions, and also gives the other editor an opportunity to see that more than one person had concerns and maybe they should take them seriously. If, on the other hand, Fram raises a concern and there's no interest, they have to drop it, period. (In response to a talk page question - I mean 500 words per issue, in all venues combined. If something gets to arbcom and there's more evidence to post, they're welcome to ask for an exception then. Otherwise, if 500 words doesn't get even one other person in the community interested enough to follow up, then maybe it just wasn't that important.) Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This is good and strikes at one of the problems. Fram is not a particularly incisive user, but for that they compensate by making their criticism lengthy and vociferous. Fram's tends to express a single point of debate by trying to pose many sub-points and examples to the other user. The other user then feels the need to answer each aspect in turn, which creates this bizarre paradigm where making ten times the noise about something than was deserved is, coming from Fram, something other than counter-productive and unprofessional. The community has been hearing far too much from Fram and I think this remedy would address that problem. I don't get my colleagues' opposition (other remedies have failed, therefore this one will?) and I can think of dozens of remedies we have imposed that addressed the specific problem with broad success. Colleagues are actually not really explaining why they think this remedy will be ineffective; I encourage them to address that. AGK ■ 11:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose:
  1. I see the logic here, but a) I've come to believe that highly 'bespoke' editing restrictions like this are more trouble to enforce than they're worth; and b) I don't think length has been the primary problem with Fram's comments. – Joe (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SilkTork (talk) 18:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. It is not the length of Fram's comments that has been a problem here, and I have no doubt that they could be equally or more disruptive in fewer words if they so tried. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I certainly see the benefits, but unfortunately this is unworkable per talk page comments. WormTT(talk) 08:15, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Reluctant oppose: save some tomatoes to throw at me, because I'm the one who put this into the PD. I thought it was worthy of discussion, but I can also see from the community's comments that it's unworkable. Still thinking on a solution to the dog with a bone issue. Katietalk 14:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Moral support, because I do think something needs to be done about Fram's relentless pursuit of things, but ultimately I come down where Joe does - trying to enforce this will create more disruption than it would prevent. The definition of a "single issue", particularly, is inevitably going to be contentious and I can envision paragraphs and paragraphs splitting hairs about it at ANI. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:26, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain:
Comments:
This is a very interesting idea. I do believe doing so would stop many of the issues that were raised during this case. WormTT(talk) 14:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the "dog with a bone" issue, I'm thinking perhaps an admonishment similar to the GiantSnowman creation. However, if the committee is going to pass an effective desysop, there seems no need for it. WormTT(talk) 15:00, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have been thinking along the lines of a GiantSnowman solution for a while, but I'd rather the solution came from Fram and/or the community. I could get behind a restriction on the amount of times Fram raises the same issue with an individual before seeking assistance, rather than the amount of words. But I would rather work that out with Fram here on Wikipedia. In the GiantSnowman case I worked with and discussed ideas with GiantSnowman for a while before proposing that solution. If we are to have a similar solution it would work better if we talked directly with Fram. Either we do that or the community do that. But simply imposing a restriction on him which he doesn't buy into will not work. Could we do this PD in two stages? Agree to unblock him in stage one. Then get him involved here to discuss workable solutions in stage two that would lead to a resysopping. SilkTork (talk) 16:35, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SilkTork, This might work, if Fram were willing to work on some solution - though I'm not sure he sees that there is a problem. I don't, however, see a need to split the PD - Fram is about at meta:user talk:Fram - if you believe some sort of middle ground can be brokered, I would certainly vote against closing the case until that happens. WormTT(talk) 16:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@AGK: This could work in Fram voluntarily and consistently sticks to it. But that's a gamble and I think recent experience has shown us it's not a smart one. If they don't stick to it, somebody will have to count the words in all their comments (possibly across multiple venues), somebody will have to make a report at AE, and somebody will have to weigh the evidence and enforce it. Given Fram's personality and profile, all three stages are likely to involve long and acrimonious discussion. And if Fram consistently breaches the remedy, we will end up with repeated ARCAs and possibly another case (cf. The Rambling Man), or the community will give up on enforcing it, and it will become toothless (cf. Eric Corbett). I agree certain types of targeted sanctions (e.g. IBANs, TBANs, 1RRs) work, but only when they're simple, well known, and the consequences are clear. Complex and idiosyncratic personalised sanctions are an unfair drain on other editor's time and emotional energy. If their target's conduct is so disruptive that it needs to be micromanaged to that extent, they should just be blocked. – Joe (talk) 14:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Arbcom RfC regarding on-wiki harassment

4) A Request for Comment will be opened under the Arbitration space, and managed by the Arbitration Clerks. This RfC will focus on how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future.

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  1. WormTT(talk) 14:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SilkTork (talk) 18:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Katietalk 14:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. AGK ■ 11:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. I'm a little uneasy about holding an RfC under the aegis of ArbCom. A vocal section of the community will question it's legitimacy simply because it's unusual and because it's ArbCom. However, it could work if the scope was restricted to how the committee handles harassment and how the committee handles private complaints (maybe this is what the remedy means and I'm overthinking things). We can and should have a normal RfC on the wider issues, and I'd be happy to help organise it as an individual editor. – Joe (talk) 14:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposed enforcement

Enforcement of restrictions

0) Should any user subject to a restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be blocked, initially for up to one month, and then with blocks increasing in duration to a maximum of one year.

In accordance with the procedure for the standard enforcement provision adopted 3 May 2014, this provision did not require a vote.

Appeals and modifications

0) Appeals and modifications

This procedure applies to appeals related to, and modifications of, actions taken by administrators to enforce the Committee's remedies. It does not apply to appeals related to the remedies directly enacted by the Committee.

Appeals by sanctioned editors

Appeals may be made only by the editor under sanction and only for a currently active sanction. Requests for modification of page restrictions may be made by any editor. The process has three possible stages (see "Important notes" below). The editor may:

  1. ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;
  2. request review at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") or at the administrators’ noticeboard ("AN"); and
  3. submit a request for amendment at "ARCA". If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by email through Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee (or, if email access is revoked, to arbcom-en@wikimedia.org).
Modifications by administrators

No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without:

  1. the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or
  2. prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).

Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped.

Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied.

Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. If an administrator modifies a sanction placed by a former administrator, the administrator who made the modification becomes the "enforcing administrator". If a former administrator regains the tools, the provisions of this section again apply to their unmodified enforcement actions.

Important notes:

  1. For a request to succeed, either
(i) the clear and substantial consensus of (a) uninvolved administrators at AE or (b) uninvolved editors at AN or
(ii) a passing motion of arbitrators at ARCA
is required. If consensus at AE or AN is unclear, the status quo prevails.
  2. While asking the enforcing administrator and seeking reviews at AN or AE are not mandatory prior to seeking a decision from the committee, once the committee has reviewed a request, further substantive review at any forum is barred. The sole exception is editors under an active sanction who may still request an easing or removal of the sanction on the grounds that said sanction is no longer needed, but such requests may only be made once every six months, or whatever longer period the committee may specify.
  3. These provisions apply only to contentious topics placed by administrators and to blocks placed by administrators to enforce arbitration case decisions. They do not apply to sanctions directly authorised by the committee, and enacted either by arbitrators or by arbitration clerks, or to special functionary blocks of whatever nature.
  4. All actions designated as arbitration enforcement actions, including those alleged to be out of process or against existing policy, must first be appealed following arbitration enforcement procedures to establish if such enforcement is inappropriate before the action may be reversed or formally discussed at another venue.
In accordance with the procedure for the standard appeals and modifications provision adopted 3 May 2014, this provision did not require a vote.
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Discussion by Arbitrators

General

Motion to close

Implementation notes

Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision—at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion to close the case until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.

These notes were last updated by Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC); the last edit to this page was on 15:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC) by Joe Roe.[reply]

Proposed Principles
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1 User conduct 8 0 0 PASSING ·
2 Wikimedia Foundation role 8 0 0 PASSING ·
3 Civility 8 0 0 PASSING ·
4 Harassment 8 0 0 PASSING ·
5 Following another editor's contributions 8 0 0 PASSING ·
6 Administrators' pursuit of issues 8 0 0 PASSING ·
7 Proportionality of sanctions 8 0 0 PASSING ·
Proposed Findings of Fact
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1 Fram 8 0 0 PASSING ·
2 Office ban of Fram 8 0 0 PASSING ·
3 Events following the ban 8 0 0 PASSING ·
4 Community-provided evidence 7 0 0 PASSING ·
5 Evaluation of community-provided evidence 6 0 1 PASSING ·
6 Evaluation of Office-provided case materials 7 0 0 PASSING ·
7 No off-wiki misconduct 7 0 0 PASSING ·
8 Remaining issues 7 0 0 PASSING ·
9 Community consultation 7 0 0 PASSING ·
Proposed Remedies
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
1a Fram's 1 year ban is vacated 7 0 0 PASSING ·
1b Fram's 1 year ban is disproportionate 7 0 0 PASSING ·
1c Fram's 1 year ban is justified 0 7 0 NOT PASSING Cannot pass
2a Fram's sysop userright is reinstated 2 5 0 PASSING ·
2b Trust of the community (resysop) 3 4 0 PASSING ·
2c Removal of sysop user-rights 4 3 0 PASSING ·
2d Removal of sysop user-rights (2) 1 0 0 PASSING ·
3 Fram restricted 1 6 0 PASSING ·
4 Arbcom RfC regarding on-wiki harassment 6 0 0 PASSING ·
Proposed Enforcement
Number Proposal Name Support Oppose Abstain Status Support needed Notes
0 Enforcement of restrictions 0 0 0 PASSING Cannot pass Passes by default
0 Appeals and modifications 0 0 0 PASSING Cannot pass Passes by default
Notes


Vote

Important: Please ask the case clerk to author the implementation notes before initiating a motion to close, so that the final decision is clear.

Four net "support" votes (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support") or an absolute majority are needed to close the case. The Clerks will close the case 24 hours after the fourth net support vote has been cast, unless an absolute majority of arbitrators vote to fast-track the close.

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