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* The biography articles should be moved to an archaeologist category per [[WP:COPSEP]], or just purged if they weren't an archaeologist. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:17, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
* The biography articles should be moved to an archaeologist category per [[WP:COPSEP]], or just purged if they weren't an archaeologist. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:17, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
:: Unless I missed one, the only archaeologists in the category are there because they played a major part in the organization such as being director. They aren't there just because they were archaeologists. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 12:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
:: Unless I missed one, the only archaeologists in the category are there because they played a major part in the organization such as being director. They aren't there just because they were archaeologists. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 12:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' Mandatory Palestine existed for barely 30 years, but the archaeology refers to the area for 4000, even 5000 years. [[:Category:Archaeologists in Mandatory Palestine]] might be as legitimate category for people, but archaeology is generally about '''a''' place, which may be successively in different countries. However I think we usually categorise places by their present country. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 17:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Clans based in Cheongdo

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge as there is only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 23:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional Canaanite people

Nominator's rationale: merge for now, currently there is only one article in the category, which is unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deaths in the Aegean Sea

Nominator's rationale: The specific location of death at sea isn't defining per WP:OCLOCATION Mason (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the deaths tree aims at categorizing by cause of death. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I also support the merge. But if we can create a broader version of this like Deaths in Indian ocean, Deaths in Pacific ocean as child categories then that will be more perfect in terms of categorisation. Can we consider that. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 02:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Solomon Islands men by occupation

Nominator's rationale: Upermerge for now. Not helpful category for navigation with only one occupation in it Mason (talk) 23:26, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I have tagged Category:Solomon Islands men.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 19:42, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ibadi Muslims

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to parent categories; contain only one page each. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

20th century in Mandatory Palestine

Nominator's rationale: manually merge (insofar the content isn't already elsewhere in the target). Mandatory Palestine was wholly within the 20th century so there is no point to diffuse by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American Congregationalists by state

Nominator's rationale: Covers only three states and subcats have very few pages; dual merge subcats with parent categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images of young people

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as this is vaguely defined. What counts as "young"? Mason (talk) 18:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree in principle, but the target is a container category. Perhaps images do not necessarily have to be categorized, in that case the category may just be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images of Laura Bush

Nominator's rationale: merge as there is only one file in here. Perhaps dual merge because there is a category Category:Laura Bush? Mason (talk) 18:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images of Hayley Lovitt

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge as there is only one file in here Mason (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Archaeology of Mandatory Palestine

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one page in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added quite several articles.GreyShark (dibra) 12:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Now has more articles and further will be added. Zerotalk 12:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The biography articles should be moved to an archaeologist category per WP:COPSEP, or just purged if they weren't an archaeologist. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:17, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I missed one, the only archaeologists in the category are there because they played a major part in the organization such as being director. They aren't there just because they were archaeologists. Zerotalk 12:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Mandatory Palestine existed for barely 30 years, but the archaeology refers to the area for 4000, even 5000 years. Category:Archaeologists in Mandatory Palestine might be as legitimate category for people, but archaeology is generally about a place, which may be successively in different countries. However I think we usually categorise places by their present country. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:State of Palestine governments

Nominator's rationale: Duplication category Mason (talk) 17:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now. Presumably the creator meant "cabinets" but the number of articles is currently too low for a separate category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Carrie Chapman Catt

Nominator's rationale: Only two pages in here that are already linked. its not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 15:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Manually merge per nom (only the biography needs to be recategorized, because the topic article is already in an appropriate topic category). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Images of Maude Fealy

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This category isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 15:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dual merge, currently only one image in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christianity in popular culture controversies

Nominator's rationale: rename, better grammar and aligned with its two (new) subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 14:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Christianity-related mass media and entertainment controversies and Category:Hinduism-related mass media and entertainment controversies to match Category:Mass media and entertainment controversies. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sculptures in Watertown, New York

Nominator's rationale: Merge for now, as it only contains one page. The Commons category does not indicate other major topics likely to be added as Wikipedia articles. – Fayenatic London 13:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now with no objection to recreation if the content grows enough for a viable category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Arab geologists

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between ethniticy and occupation. Mason (talk) 13:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, also because the category confounds ethnicity and nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Everything has been said. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wimbledon champions (pre-Open Era)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: None of the other categories in Category:Grand Slam (tennis) tournament champions have a pre-Open Era category. My mistake; there are and I completely missed it. Close this Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:People by first language

Nominator's rationale: In 2020 this was nominated for deletion along with its subcats at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 20#People by first language, but there was no consensus for that. The subcats using "by first language" are now being renamed to "by language", see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Canadian people by first language & following, after which the justification for this category layer will fall away. – Fayenatic London 09:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Catholic personal coat of arms images

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one image in here which is not helpful for navigaiton Mason (talk) 03:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. As for the image itself, it is not obvious that it is Catholic anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Opelousas Historic District

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, WP:MFN, and the spirit of WP:C2F, one eponymous page
The Opelousas Historic District article lists plenty of buildings, but the category seems unlikely to ever be viable because only two of them are probably notable: Old Federal Building (Opelousas, Louisiana) and Opelousas City Hall, each of which is individually listed on the National Register of Historical Places. If I'm wrong and enough articles ever appear to make this category well populated, no objection to recreation at that time. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles about it are published. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Things named after Charles de Gaulle

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING, WP:SHAREDNAME, & WP:OCASSOC
The Category:Charles de Gaulle is for articles with a WP:DEFINING association with Charles de Gaulle while this category seems to be for non-defining associations. All these article are things that would have been built anyway so they're not defined by the specific name they ended up with and the contents are already in List of things named after Charles de Gaulle for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Kurdish philosophers

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The intersection between ethnicity, occupation, and century isn't needed for diffussion now. Mason (talk) 02:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dual merge per nom, or just delete because the article is about a productive writer, but not a philosopher per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Period of Mongol rule in Azerbaijan

Nominator's rationale: This is like having a category named "Category:Period of Mayan rule in USA". At this time, Azerbaijan was not a name used in the Caucasus, and Azerbaijanis were not even close forming an ethnonym, let alone a nation. WP:RS is unanimous on this [1] [2] [3] HistoryofIran (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Twist (TV network) affiliates

Nominator's rationale: Going off air 12/31, see https://www.watchtwist.com/ Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Established practice is that diginets that are not transferring all their distribution elsewhere lose their categories when they close. In case the announcement goes away, and for posterity, there's a 60-second farewell video along with the note, Goodbyes are never easy, but at the end of December Twist is going off the air in all of our markets. We are truly grateful to all of our viewers for making Twist a wonderful network. Thank you for all of your support. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Egyptian concubines

Nominator's rationale: Either this category needs to be renamed per Aciram's insistence that all Egyptian concubines are Slave concubines or the categories should be removed to reflect that this is an intersection between occupation and nationality Mason (talk) 00:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am not sure what you mean when you say insistence. It is merely stating a historical fact. In Islamic Egypt it was forbidden for a woman to be a concubine unless she was a slave. It was not possible or legal to be an official concubine without being a slave, hence a concubine was per definition a slave (please see Concubinage in Islam). You can verify this by controlling the individual articles in this category yourself. It is similar to, for example, "Egyptian slaves", and a subcategory to it (as it should, since being a concubine was one of the positions a slave - and only a slave - could have). I therefore assume "Egyptian slaves" will also be renamed to "Slaves of Egypt".
However I do not object to a renaming of the category, and I will not contest it. The main thing is that it reflect that these women were concubines, and in which country. I will support this renaming, if it is seen as necessary. I assume you will consider equivalent categories of concubines from other countries when renaming it, for consistency (I think many of this categories are called "from" rather than "of", but I might be wrong). --Aciram (talk) 00:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We already have: "Category:.Egyptian royal consorts". But it cannot replace a category whose purpose it is to list specifically concubines from a country.
Not all consorts of Egyptian monarchs were concubines. It is relevant to have a category for Egyptian concubines, and that need would not be met by creating a category of consorts to Egyptian monarchs, since not all of those consorts were concubines. --Aciram (talk) 12:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Concubine is the defining characteristic and purpose of this category. The purpose of the category is to include women who were concubines (per definition slaves) by nation. This is similar to slaves, writers, politicians, or any other occupational category which is sorted by nation. Currently, the concubines in the category includes only the concubines of monarchs, but there were many concubines who were not the concubines of monarchs, and in the future there might be articles about them too.
The alternative name is worse than the name first suggested. I oppose to the category being renamed to include only the concubines of monarchs. The result of that would be that all consorts of monarch would be included in the same category regardless if they were concubines or wives. It is relevant to have a category for concubines.
We must be able to include both royal and non-royal concubines in the category should the need arise. It may very well do, since wikipedia already have plenty of articles of concubines to non-monarchs; just not of these three countries in particular.
The categories should be neutral in the sense that concubines of both monarchs and other could be included; and thus more usefull. --Aciram (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The articles do not make an issue of it at all, they just portray these women as the consort of a ruler. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand your point. The articles could make an issue of it, if we put more text about the matter than the authors wanted to so far. No article is ever finnished. But that does not really have relevance here. Categories are used when they apply to the person. The fact that they were slave-concubines and not legal wives is not an unimportant fact.
There is a category called "concubines", just as there is a category as, for example, "Writers". The Concubine-category category should be divided by nationality, just as the writers-category is. These women should be categorized as concubines, simply because that is what they were. It should not be hidden or censured. Nor should the fact that they were slaves be hidden, even if that fact has occasionally been glanced over and often omitted entirely because it was seen as sensitive subject; it is certainly still relevant. Slavery is no trivial subject, and this classifies them by type of slavery: concubinage slavery, no trivial subject either.
The Ottoman- and Safavid-categories have also been added now: in those cases, there are separate categories for the consorts of the rulers as well as concubines, and these are combined when it applies to the individual, as it should.
Of course you can place them in a category for the consorts (euphemism) of rulers. But they should still be in a concubine-category, since both matters apply to them. A consort-category can not replace a concubine-category. They are two different things and should be treated as such. One can not replace another. Unless of course you choose to combine them somehow.--Aciram (talk) 12:43, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have a simple solution and a compromise that I hope everyone will be happy with. Let us name the categories "Concubines of Egyptian monarchs", "Concubines of Safavid monarchs" and "Concubines of Ottoman sultans". That would have several advantages:
1) Since the concubines were all the concubines of monarchs, this should fullfill the expressed wish of those who want to point out that these were the consorts of monarchs; if there should be concubines who were concubines of non-monarchs in the future in need of a category, then we can simply make the above categories sub-categories of "Concubines of Egypt", when/if that need should arize, that is a small adjustment.
2) All of these monarchs had both concubines and wives among their "consorts" (euphemism), and the categories should reflect that; the categories above can simply be made sub-categories of "Consorts of Ottoman sultans" etc (I believe such categories already excist in one or two of these cases), and that will solve the issue about different categories of consorts as well.
3) Finnally, this will, I think, solve the concern about nationality/occupation expressed in the beginning of this discussion.
In short, the above suggestion would be a simple solution, that follows already used categorization-principles, that would solve several of the concerns voiced by the participants of this discussion. I hope they can be accepted by all. A very happy Christmans to you all!--Aciram (talk) 22:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: A small problem is the case of Egypt, since the rulers of Egypt in the 19th-century were not all strictly speaking monarchs; the khedives were formally governors, although de facto monarchs. The Egyptian case is in that sence different from the other two cases. However, the khedives is themselwes sorted as monarchs, so presumably, it will be fine. --Aciram (talk) 22:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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