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Category:Sole survivors of indigenous peoples

Nominator's rationale: alternative name, sole survivors has a disaster connotation. I'm modeling it off of Category:Last known speakers of a language Mason (talk) 23:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Boxing matches in Las Vegas

Nominator's rationale: The vast majority of these matches actually took place outside of the Las Vegas city limits. User:Namiba 01:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer it fit neatly into Category:Sports competitions in the Las Vegas Valley--User:Namiba 12:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Vampires in animated television

Nominator's rationale: This name feels more rigidly defining and less open to interpretation. (Oinkers42) (talk) 22:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Animated television shows about vampires to match other categories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cheese and Pasta

Nominator's rationale: Can this be renamed to "Cheese and pasta" with a lowercase "p" in the word "pasta" per naming convention policy Tinton5 (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disasters in Golaghat

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. These categories were all made by the same user for the page Golaghat highway accident, who has been advised to not create duplicate/single page categories. There is no need to have a category with a single page in it. If not merged, the categories should be renamed to "Golaghat district". Mason (talk) 21:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Languages associated with classical dances of India

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem to be a particularly natural or useful category. PepperBeast (talk) 20:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

Nominator's rationale: It is not useful to lump together works from or about Bulgaria with works in the Bulgarian language that could be about different topics. Some entries might remain in the original category if they are about encyclopedias from Bulgaria. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Saint Anthony the Great abbeys

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge or delete. This isn't helpful for navigation to carve out two abbeys that are associated with a saint Mason (talk) 13:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There shouldn't be two categories as this is largely a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME. It is merely a coincidence that one of the two articles does contain some legendary information about Saint Anthony the Great. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:European gangs

Nominator's rationale: The only item is child Category:European-American gangs‎ right now, and all of them are groups that were or are active in the United States. This doesn't fit in parents Category:Crime in Europe or Category:Culture of Europe. No doubt there are what you might call "gangs" in Europe, but they are not to be found in this category. For this, the Category:Gangs in Europe already exists. But I don't think a merger would make much sense, as there is little overlap between the two. NLeeuw (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 00:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regional Mexican culture

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. Same scope. Note: I've speedied the target category to be renamed to Category:Culture of Mexico by state. If approved, I will change the target in this nomination. But I think the situation is simple enough to already propose this merger. NLeeuw (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regional French culture

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. Unlike Category:Regional Spanish culture that I nominated earlier today, this cat almost completely overlaps with its parent. The only difference is the child Category:Culture of the Basque Country, which is mostly focussed on culture in the Basque Country (autonomous community) in Spain, and has virtually nothing to do with the French Basque Country. Anything that is relevant to French Basque culture could be placed in Category:Culture of Nouvelle-Aquitaine if necessary. NLeeuw (talk) 15:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:I-Kiribati chiefs

Nominator's rationale: merge, currently only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Klingon-language operas

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unlikely that this category will be filled with lots of articles any time soon, but we'll see. (Already in Category:Operas). NLeeuw (talk) 13:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dutch encyclopedias

Nominator's rationale: Per the actual scope of the main article, List of Dutch encyclopedias, which I have just renamed List of encyclopedias in Dutch, because the scope as indicated by the definition in the opening sentence is 'Encyclopedias in the Dutch language', and includes several encyclopedias published in Belgium rather than the Netherlands. The connected Commonscat was already named c:Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. The interwiki to frwiki was already fr:Liste d'encyclopédies en néerlandais, a redirect to fr:Liste d'encyclopédies par langue#Néerlandais, and to nlwiki already to nl:Encyclopedie#Nederlandstalige encyclopedieën. This also means we should Purge parents Category:Encyclopedias by country and Category:European encyclopedias, because the Dutch language is not necessarily limited by geography to Europe either (e.g. there is an nl:Encyclopedie van Suriname, published in 1977 in Suriname, two years after it became indepedent). Because I recently renamed the main article myself, speedy criterion C2D does not count, but as you can see, it has always been the main article's and category's scope. NLeeuw (talk) 12:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, language is generally much more a defining characteristic of a book than the country where it is published. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. Country of publication could be defining, and it's okay that we've got a Category:Encyclopedias by country tree. But if we need to choose, I think language takes priority over country of publication. We could do both, but then we risk situations like Category:Latvian encyclopedias and Category:Latvian-language encyclopedias, which are technically distinct, but both contain the two same items in practice. Only for larger languages and countries like France versus the French language, it is evident to have separate category trees, especially if the latter has a subcategory like "Belgian encyclopedias in French" or something, showing that France and French don't always coincidence. NLeeuw (talk) 12:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meitei language encyclopedias

Nominator's rationale: Category with only one entry. PepperBeast (talk) 11:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. It is not useful to categorize the article by language since no less than 23 languages are involved. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Marcocapelle. NLeeuw (talk) 12:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT tailor-made for one member. Categories are not "interesting fact tags". But, mentioning facts, consider also: no mention of Antigua and Barbuda in the only member article and the cited source only says: “Mam” is Canadian-Irish and his father is from the Caribbean. —Alalch E. 11:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, I generally oppose merging these, added a ref that specifically points out Antigua.--Ortizesp (talk) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Islands of the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands

Nominator's rationale: This is an unnecessary layer just holding the historical Islands of the Netherlands Antilles and Islands of Aruba. The parent hierarchy Dutch Caribbean may need a complete overhaul, but this layer can easily be merged first. – Fayenatic London 11:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Service industries in the Dutch Caribbean

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer with only one sub-cat. – Fayenatic London 12:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:63 BC disestablishments

Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated year category while the other disestablishments in this period are categorized by century. Move article Seleucid dynasty to Category:1st-century disestablishments. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Regional Spanish culture

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:CROSSCAT. The words "regional" and "Spanish" take up multiple ambiguous meanings, depending on the child category. "Spanish" can mean "Spain", "Spanish nationality", "Spanish diaspora" or "Spanish language", while "regional" can mean "city", "autonomous community", "country" (Spain, Canada and the United States), "continent(s)" (Spanish America) or "archipelago" (Caribbean). This is a mishmash. If anything, we should adhere to the category tree, which is indicated by parent Category:Culture of Spain. Category:Culture by city in Spain and Category:Spanish culture by autonomous community‎ fit in that tree, and shoud be upmerged to this parent. The rest does not, and should be Purged. NLeeuw (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Victoria Williams tribute albums

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: All of my rationales for this and similar categories can be found at the January 2023 discussion about Laura Nyro tribute albums, for which there was no consensus. I can recreate those arguments here if desired. What I would really like to do is to have a larger discussion on this and seek consensus for categorization across the various tribute albums categories. Thanks to all for their contributions. KConWiki (talk) 01:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains people with widely diverging views, from antisemitism to advocy of Palestinian human rights, but generally it has very little to do with Christian theology. If applicable, articles are better off in Category:American Zionists etc. than in a specific Christian category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Riojan music

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The only item is Music of Navarre and La Rioja, which has been an unsourced three-sentence stub since 2005. NLeeuw (talk) 09:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christian anti-Zionism

Nominator's rationale: delete, not as a matter of principle, but there are only two articles in it, one for which anti-Zionism is a POV judgment and the other is anti-Christian Zionism which is quite something different than Jewish Zionism. E.g. Christian Zionism asserts a parallel idea that the returnees ought to be encouraged to reject Judaism and adopt Christianity as a means of fulfilling biblical prophecies. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women cryptographers by nationality

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 13:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Inactive anime conventions

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. The convention isn't yet defunct. Mason (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. Having an "inactive" category puts the spotlight on conventions that have lapsed. I have seen conventions before which give no official "defunct" message. The only way of telling in these cases is through a stale website. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, that's a useful piece of information, but I don't think that counts as WP:DEFINING. Mason (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see it as a way to make life easier for editors monitoring the convention articles. There really is no net gain by getting rid of it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Expressways in Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China

Nominator's rationale: Two articles only. One of the articles is about an entirely hypothetical motorway as indicated in the entry, the other hypothetical by and beyond the straits. Rename to hypothetical expressways of the People's Republic of China. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 12:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
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  • Delete, I think inclusion in Category:Proposed roads in Taiwan is accurate and sufficient. It's not really accurate to say that a road is "in" a purely notional province. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, a road doesn't exist in a notional entity. Already covered in an existing category as mentioned, although other parent categories might also apply. CMD (talk) 07:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Is there any category for notional matters of this country? 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who are sick of blue categories

Nominator's rationale: Annual serious nomination of inappropriate joke categories on April Fools Day. Fails WP:USERCATNO. No reason for this to need to exist to defer open uprising against consensus since the sole member is long gone. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who enjoy cracking wise with categories

Nominator's rationale: Annual serious nomination of inappropriate joke categories on April Fools Day. Fails WP:USERCATNO. No reason for this to need to exist to defer open uprising against consensus since one of the members is long gone and the other has not objected to a previous joke category being deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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