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i did some looking, and it's a word in some languages, and could refer to the fire, water, electric, and dark types, given some mental gymnastics, but it's mostly an informal-ish first person pronoun. no idea what basis i think this should be deleted on, but i want this gone cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it's the japanese name for the dark type StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 22:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pokédex (Sinnoh)

Pokédex (Sinnoh) → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokédex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

retarget to the list of gen 4 pokémon? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Sinnoh Pokédex doesn't only include Gen 4 pokémon, but it isn't unlikely that someone would be looking for these specifically when typing it. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bird Pokémon

Bird Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Bird Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

not sure if this is referring to bird pokémon (like corviknight and the worse corviknight), in which case i'd say retarget to the list of pokémon or delete (more so delete) or to the unused bird type, in which case redirect to missingno without a second or first thought cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Big One (earthquake)

The Big One (earthquake) → San Andreas Fault#The next .22Big One.22 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 28 § The Big One (earthquake) – keep

Previously discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 28#The Big One (earthquake). However, multiple sources prove that "The Big One" does not only refer to the anticipated mega-quake in Los Angeles, but also refers to a similar feared one that can devastate Metro Manila, the Philippines. Here are some of the reliable sources that prove "The Big One" is not just a U.S. thing: from Rizal Medical Center, from DOST, from Inquirer.net, from Manila Bulletin, from a World Bank blog, from Philippine Star, and from Manila Standard Today. This redirect should be made as a disambiguation page. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon Master

Pokémon Master → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Pokemon Master → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pokémon master → Gameplay of Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

is this really the best place to target, as opposed to pokémon masters ex? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Ash Ketchum. Pokemon Masters is entirely separate from the concept of one, and that game doesn't use the terminology beyond the title to my knowledge. The concept itself is almost entirely associated with Ash, so I'd suggest a retarget there. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Legendary Pokémon

Legendary Pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon#Legendary Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Legendary Pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon#Legendary Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Legendary pokémon → Gameplay of Pokémon#Legendary Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ledgendary pokemon → Gameplay of Pokémon#Legendary Pokémon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

maybe retarget to the list of pokémon as with mythical pokémon? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to match Mythical Pokémon as per Cogsan. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

just noticed the 4rd one has a minor spelling mistake, should it be deleted? i'd say delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cogsan: To be clear, are you !voting to delete all four redirects, or just Ledgendary pokemon? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of Pokémon per others due to the anchor no longer existing. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yuno Miles

Yuno Miles → Comedy hip hop#History and examples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

PROD'ed but redirects are ineligible for that process. The original PROD statement was: Redirects to an article that doesn't mention Miles. Appears reasonable to me, this person doesn't seem notable enough to be mentioned in the target article as far as I can tell and I don't immediately see a good alternative target. Pinging original nominator: @Frankoceanreal. Tollens (talk) 07:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This redirect used to target List of hip hop satirists, which was BLARed in March 2024. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 10:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hazeltown

Hazeltown → Haselstauden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is not attested anywhere, and its addition to the article was solely referenced to the article's "version history". 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 12:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just added a {{cn}} at the target. The article was titled Hazeltown and mention has been there right from the first edit in 2008 - Keep as long as the mention is there. Jay 💬 13:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to lack of attestation; just because something has been there since 2008 doesn't mean it's right. (Of course, just because something cannot be cited doesn't mean it isn't true - but it does mean we should exclude it and the redirect from Wikipedia until we're 100% sure). --GnocchiFan (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Province of Bessarabia

The Province of Bessarabia → Budjak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Province of Bessarabia → Budjak (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nonsense redirects. Bessarabia is a region in Eastern Europe. Budjak is a subset of it. Super Ψ Dro 12:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget both to Bessarabia Governorate. "Province" appears to be an alternative translation (see [1], [2], etc.) - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In both links you gave province is not capitalized, there is no proper names but a descriptive combination of words. There was also Bessarabia Governorate (Romania) by the way. We could disambiguate but I see it as really unnecessary. Also, come on, The Province of Bessarabia is completely implausible, it should be deleted. Super Ψ Dro 23:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does it matter if it's not capitalized in the specific sources I found? It will still be a plausible search term. I thought about disambiguation, but I think the hatnote at the proposed target is sufficient. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the key word in the nominating statement is: "is". Bessarabia is a larger region in Eastern Europe. However, it appears that it was a smaller Turkish province/governate/eyalet, from the late 15th century through the early 19th century. Here's the article as it stood before being redirected in 2005:
The Province of Bessarabia or Besarabya pashalyk in Turkish, was an Ottoman province from 1478 to 1812. Its size varied, however by 1600, it included the towns of Cetatea Alba, Izmail, Tighina, and Kilia.
The Ottoman Province of Bassarabia was annexed by the Russian Empire in 1812, along with all Moldovan territory east of the Prut river, which the Russians governed jointly in one single Russian province of Bessarabia.
The Ottoman Province, only, is more or less the same size as the territory of modern-day Bugeac, which is currently part of the Ukrainian Odessa oblast.
This is uncited but sounds plausible, and it aligns with the bit in Budjak#Name and geography (i.e., the redirect's target) that uses the name historic Bessarabia. There are sources such as this 1927 book (about the Russian annexation of the province) and this 2019 book (about ethnicity, but summarizing the pre-Russian state, in which Bessarabia was vaguely delimited but generally congruent with Budjak), and "province"+"bessarabia"&pg=PA59&printsec=frontcover this book (which confirms Izmail was part of the province of Bessarabia when the Russians took the province from the Ottomans, before they gave it to Moldovia) that verify at least parts of it. At any rate, though I'm unfamiliar with the history of this area, it appears that it's not "nonsense", but merely a detail of history that is not widely known. Consequently, we should probably keep this redirect, and probably improve the target article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Bessarabia given the ambiguity of several historical provinces being named "Bessarabia". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Winged spear

Winged spear → Bohemian earspoon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Between Corseque, Spetum, and the fact that this redirect is not mentioned in the current target, it's not clear which subject readers are desiring to locate when searching this term. (However, used to be a section at Polearm#Winged spear, a section which was present in 2012, but was removed at some point that year.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must admit the Bohemian Earspoon is not the most obvious redirect. Winged spears are probably ancestral to the spetum and corseque too. If I were to plump for one, it would probably be spetum. But there is an argument that a separate article or article section on the weapon would ultimately be preferable. Be hard to make it above a start though. Monstrelet (talk) 09:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, makes me wonder if the section I linked which existed over a decade ago should be restored, or even used to overwrite the nominated redirect with an article. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Link baiting

Link baiting → Clickbait (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Deletion, link baiting differs from clickbait to the degree that the redirect is misleading. Link baiting does not have the deceptive nature of clickbait. ^[1] Acalc79 (talk) 14:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://books.google.com/books?id=9WE1AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&dq=%22linkbaiting%22&hl=&cd=2&source=gbs_api#v=onepage&q=%22linkbaiting%22&f=false

I don't suppose I could ask how you're defining "link baiting?" 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

apparently, the difference is the target demographic

clickbait is for general #ContentConsumers™ who love consuming content. for examples, uh, open up youtube and go to incognito mode

link bait is for creators, to try to get them to advertise, sponsor, or otherwise promote your slop. for an example, get offered a raidy shady sponsorship i think

so my pedantic ass would say delete unless a section or article on link bait can be made cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The term is ambiguous. Link bait can mean both "clickbait" as well as "content designed to attract incoming links". We have no content to link to for the latter meaning, so there is nothing to do for now. Paradoctor (talk) 20:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Paradoctor, but without prejudice to dabification/hatnoting if the term is added to another article in the context of digital marketing/SEO. The Wiktionary page includes examples of the term link bait being used in both contexts, but we don't currently seem to have an article which mentions the term in an SEO context. While WP:PRIMARYRED states that [t]he existing article is not automatically the primary topic in cases where other uses of the term are red-linked, it also states that MOS:DABMENTION still applies - and, as Wikipedia doesn't currently seem to have a mention of the term in the SEO context, DABMENTION isn't met - meaning that a disambiguation page for the term (by my understanding) couldn't currently exist. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 11:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of appommatox courthouse

Battle of appommatox courthouse → Battle of Appomattox Court House (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The misspelling combined with the miscapitalization make this not very useful. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ "Courthouse" and "Court House" are variant spellings, and it isn't too surprising that someone would type it in lowercase. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but Appomattox is also misspelled. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, didn't catch this. Yeah, delete in this case. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per Enby's initial opinion on lowercase and spacing. Appomattox/Appommatox swaps the doubled characters with m for t, so isn't an unreasnable misspelling, as this isn't a common word. Tag {{R from misspelling}} -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttps://books.google.com/books?id=9WE1AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT112&dq=%22linkbaiting%22&hl=&cd=2&source=gbs_api#v=onepage&q=%22linkbaiting%22&f=false

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