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March 28

Alphanumeric code in Marvel comics

I was reading some old Marvel comics, and I noticed that the page after the cover always had a small alphanumeric code. For example, this page from Fantastic Four #1 has the code "V-372" (located to the right, just above the last panel on the page). What were these codes for, and why are they there? Lizardcreator (talk) 01:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure those are story assignment codes to make sure that the artists got paid properly. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also signature mark. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an article that goes into Marvel Job Numbers in some detail. KConWiki (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 29

Top Gun: Maverick plot line inspired by Bob Hoover?

Shortly after the release of Top Gun: Maverick, former project script writer Zack Stentz reported on Twitter that David Ellison had asked him (and Ashley Edward Miller) to "to shape the third act of Top Gun 2 around a real incident that happened to Bob Hoover during WW2". In concrete terms, Maverick stealing the enemy F-14 was inspired by Hoover stealing a German Focke-Wulf Fw 190 as a prisoner of war and escaping into allied-held territory with it. Stentz' admission has been reported by a German film website and adopted into the German Wikipedia article on the film. As far as I have seen, no English media have taken up that confession at all. Though some sources noted the similarity and assumed a connection, Stentz' revelation was unknown to them: "So far, nobody has come out and directly said the Bob Hoover story inspired Maverick’s return to the silver screen". Is there a reason not to believe Stentz, or why was he ignored? --KnightMove (talk) 11:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If nobody else has said it but the scriptwriter, is that a sufficient citation? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say so, yes, at worst with the explicit qualification "according to Zack Stentz". Jerry Bruckheimer's claim that Ridley Scott "was laudatory in his praise for the film and the kind of care that Tom took to honor Tony throughout the movie..." persists in the article, and for a long time without qualification, although Bruckheimer is the exact opposite of a neutral source here. In this specific case, Zack Stentz should know what he is talking about, and no motivation is obvious why he should make that up (several witnesses could expose this as a falsehood). --KnightMove (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe there is confusion about what it means to say "based on" in this situation. There is a necessity in the script. The main character is an old F-14 pilot being brought back. The United States retired all of the F-14s. The only ones still in active service are in Iran. So, the script either has to pretend that there are still some imaginary F-14s somewhere or have a reason for the pilot to use one of Iran's jets. Because the production very quickly began financing an F-14 refurbishment project, it is clear that they knew an F-14 would work into the script somehow. So, having the main character somehow take an Iranian F-14 came out of necessity. Once that is known, what are the particular elements of that process? That could be based on an actual event of a POW stealing an enemy jet. If memory serves, the main character in the movie is never a POW. He is shot down (along with a partner) and steals an F-14 from a nearby enemy airbase. 75.136.148.8 (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the overall plot and limited duration of the film would not allow a line where Maverick becomes prisoner of war. All what you have said is right (of course a Top Gun sequel without any F-14 would have also been possible). But then, there is no contradiction. David Ellison wanted to have Maverick fly an F-14 again, which were only flown by enemies anymore, and he remembered Hoover having stolen an enemy aircraft. So he used that as a baseline. --KnightMove (talk) 05:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 30

Kurulus Osmancik (1988)

Hello! I'm after a WP-good source that states that in this tv-series, Nurhan Nur played Ertugruls wife, named Hayme Ana (not Halime Hatun as in another tv-series) in that particular tv-series. All I'm finding seem to be blogs and imdb-lookalikes, and none states that the characters were married. Someone should have bothered to note this in a book or decent newspaper at some point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hayme Ana means "Mother Hayme", and although nothing is known with certainty about Ertuğrul's mother, Hayme Ana is another name for Hayme Hatun ("Lady Hayme"), according to tradition the mother of Ertuğrul. --Lambiam 20:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, but in the 1988 series, afaict, they picked that name for the wife. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the confusion about the names Halime Hatun and Hayme Ana referred to in our article Halime Hatun. The Turkish Wikipedia has Nurhan Nur playing Halime Hatun, Ertuğrul's spouse, in the 1988 series Kuruluş "Osmancık", while not listing a role of Hayme Ana. IMDb does it the other way around, while giving the series the time range "1986-", but does not define the relationship between this character and Ertuğrul. To add to the confusion, the German Wikipedia names Ertuğrul's spouse in the 1988 series as Hayme Hatun. All 12 episodes can be watched on YouTube. The end credits of each episode give the names of the actors, but not of the roles, so the question is how she is referred to in the narrative of the episodes in which she appears. --Lambiam 20:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am somewhat familiar with the Halime Hatun article [1] ;-). I'm hoping there's something like a contemporary review in a newspaper, or a chapter on the series in a book, that could be used on WP. And personally I'm very curious on when and where Halime Hatun first appeared as a name for the wife E. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Originals (episode descriptions)

What has happened to the individual episode descriptions for 'The Originals'? They were there four or five days ago. Beccib23 (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean List of The Originals episodes? --Lambiam 20:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Might be related to Wikipedia:Help_desk#Missing_episode_details, where episode article renaming has broken some template usage. RudolfRed (talk) 23:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I went to the link you provided but it seems? that it was only fixrd for Knight Rider? When will they turn it back for ALL TV shows? I use it for TO, POI, etc.. I usually binge a few episodes on the weekend & like to have the episode description handy. I DID prefer Wiki for that but as they have removed them, I will have to use tmdb or IMDb for that purpose. Beccib23 (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to whoever fixed this!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Beccib23 (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 4

Southern California Rap of the 1980s info

There are many web-based catalogs of rather specific information. I cannot find one that goes into a lot of detail on rap music based in Southern California in the 1980s. I can find information on West Coast rap that became nationally popular, but I have been tasked with finding information on rap music that was regionally popular and did not reach national attention. I found two books, both requested for loan, but I wanted to get more information while I wait for the books to arrive. 75.136.148.8 (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know little about US music journalism (being on a different continent), but were there regional music and/or entertainment and/or lifestyle journals/magazines covering Southern California in the 1980's? If so, are there archives of them?

Similarly, newspapers for the region will likely have had entertainment sections, and are likely archived somewhere, maybe in the California State Library or even the Library of Congress.

A librarian in your nearest major Public Library should be able to answer these questions and to obtain access and/or loans for you via Interlibrary loans. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.130.213 (talk) 20:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 7

Medieval songs' commonality

When listening, I feel there's a waltz-like shared commonality in many medieval or medieval-styled songs (e.g. comparing Breton "Ar Soudarded" and modern song which, according to its composer Oleg Molchanov emulates medieval English ballad). Is it the ³
₄ time signature or something else? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 11:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably also a commonality of the then-available instruments, and of relatively small ensembles, in contrast to later periods? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.130.213 (talk) 11:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For both melodies I hear some commonality with Greensleeves, which is not a medieval ballad but dates from the late Renaissance period. --Lambiam 17:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 10

Cricket boundaries

This video from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation shows a comical cricket incident: attempting to prevent the ball from reaching the boundary, the fielder stops the ball just in time, but then goes far past the fence himself, and then accidentally sends it past the boundary himself. Four questions:

If a legally bowled ball reaches the boundary without any action by the batsman, as here, is it scored as if the batsman had hit it? Boundary (cricket) talks only about a scoring shot where the ball is hit to, or beyond, that perimeter, but not errors by the fielding team. (Incidentally, what's the cricket term analogous to error (baseball)?)
The boundary article says Any runs the batsmen completed by running before the ball reached the edge of the field do not count, unless they are greater than the number of runs that would be scored by the boundary, in which case it is the runs from the boundary that are discounted. This is unsourced; where could I find a source for it?
Is there a theoretical limit of runs that can be scored off a single delivery? In the video, if the fielders just kept dropping the ball and didn't send it past the boundary, could the batsmen have simply kept running back and forth indefinitely, scoring as many runs as they wanted?

Nyttend (talk) 10:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very briefly due to limited time, and I can't watch the video where I am, but: if the ball goes to the boundary without any contact by the batsman (presumably if the wicketkeeper and other fielders missed it entirely, or as in this case another fielder tried to stop it but failed), then four byes will be scored. These go on the scorecard as extras, not attributable to the batsmen. In the same way, leg byes are scored when the ball deflects off the batsman's pads or other body part. If the ball is bowled so far off target that runs are scored, these are classed as wides (if it reached the boundary, that would be 4 wides). Again, these go on the extras and count against the bowler's statistics. For question 2, I would expect that to be defined in the Laws of Cricket, but reference to a copy of that would be needed for correct sourcing. For question 3, as far as I know there is no limit. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Runs can be scored as Extras. See Extra (cricket). As that article says, these are runs scored by, or awarded to, a batting team which is not credited to any individual batter. They are the runs scored by methods other than striking the ball with the bat. Those in that video would be recorded in the scorebook as Wides. And since the ball crossed the boundary rope, there would be four Wides. And yes, there is no limit to the number of runs that can be scored off a delivery while the ball remains in play. HiLo48 (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does cricket have something analogous to Little League? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In South Africa we have Teddy Cricket and KFC Mini Cricket (endorsed by Cricket South Africa). Non-standard kit is used - e.g. the ball is not as hard or heavy as a regulation ball. Proper cricket rules do not apply. It's meant to introduce kids to the game. That said, at junior school competition level, it is played the same as for adults with some minor changes. 41.23.55.195 (talk) 13:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://cricket.co.za/mini-cricket/# 41.23.55.195 (talk) 13:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In Australia there are many junior competitions, beginning with the Blasters program for under 10 year olds. My 6 year old granddaughter loves it. (Note that the sponsor, Woolworths, is an Australian company. No connection to the American Woolworths.) HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should have made question #2 more obvious. What's the cricket term analogous to error (baseball)? Nyttend (talk) 21:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the term is "misfield". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but there's nothing formal or official about it. Although cricket, like baseball, has very detailed scoring records kept, nothing goes in the scorebook when a misfield occurs. HiLo48 (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then how is it known when it happens? Or is it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the runs are recorded, but nothing negative about the fielding side. At the higher levels, of course, the media tells the world about it. And at all levels, your teammates tend to remind you.HiLo48 (talk) 23:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not part of the stats, though, doesn't the knowledge of it fade over time? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]