Floridian (train)

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Floridian at Winter Park.jpg
The Floridian at Winter Park in 1973.
Service type Inter-city rail
Status Discontinued
Locale Eastern United States
Predecessor South Wind
First service November 14, 1971
Last service October 9, 1979
Former operator(s) Amtrak
Start Chicago, Illinois
Stops 32
End St. Petersburg, Florida
Miami, Florida
Distance travelled 1,597 miles (2,570 km) (Miami)
1,481 miles (2,383 km) (St. Petersburg)
Average journey time 38 hours 40 minutes (Miami)
38 hours 33 minutes (St. Petersburg)
Service frequency Daily
Train number(s) 56, 57
On-board services
Class(es) Sleeping cars and reserved coach
Catering facilities Dining car and on-board cafe
Observation facilities Dome coach
Track gauge 4 ft 8 12 in (1,435 mm)
Track owner(s) LN, SCL
Route map
0 mi Chicago
Illinois/Indiana border
118 mi 
190 km 
221 mi 
356 km 
Indiana/Kentucky border
330 mi 
531 km 
438 mi 
705 km 
Bowling Green
Kentucky/Tennessee border
511 mi 
822 km 
Tennessee/Alabama border
629 mi 
1012 km 
713 mi 
1147 km 
810 mi 
1304 km 
928 mi 
1493 km 
Alabama/Georgia border
1020 mi 
1642 km 
1062 mi 
1709 km 
1122 mi 
1806 km 
Georgia/Florida border
1193 mi 
1920 km 
1303 mi 
2097 km 
1319 mi 
2123 km 
1336 mi 
2150 km 
Winter Park
1341 mi 
2158 km 
1359 mi 
2187 km 
1402 mi 
2256 km 
1433 mi 
2306 km 
1456 mi 
2343 km 
1480 mi 
2382 km 
St. Petersburg
1251 mi 
2013 km 
1297 mi 
2087 km 
1323 mi 
2129 km 
1388 mi 
2234 km 
Winter Haven
1429 mi 
2300 km 
1531 mi 
2464 km 
West Palm Beach
1549 mi 
2493 km 
Delray Beach
1560 mi 
2511 km 
Deerfield Beach
1574 mi 
2533 km 
Fort Lauderdale
1581 mi 
2544 km 
1601 mi 
2577 km 

The Floridian was a train operated by Amtrak from 1971 to 1979 that ran from Chicago to Miami and St. Petersburg, Florida. Its route mainly followed that of several former Louisville & Nashville Railroad (L&N) passenger trains, including the Humming Bird (Cincinnati—Louisville—New Orleans). Originating in Chicago, the train served Lafayette and Bloomington, Indiana; Louisville and Bowling Green, Kentucky; Nashville, Tennessee; Decatur, Birmingham, Montgomery and Dothan, Alabama; and Thomasville, Valdosta and Waycross, Georgia. At Jacksonville, Florida, the train split to serve the separate routes of St. Petersburg, Florida (via Orlando) and Miami (via Winter Haven. These two legs crossed each other near Lakeland, Florida.

The Floridian was notorious for lackluster on-time performance, owing to the poor condition of equipment inherited from the private railroads, and equally poor track conditions. The train used the lines of L&N (in Indiana, over the former Monon Railroad, which merged into the L&N shortly before the formation of Amtrak), and Seaboard Coast Line. All are now part of CSX Transportation; some parts of the former route have since been abandoned by CSX.

Amtrak discontinued the Floridian in October 1979, leaving Louisville and Nashville without passenger train service, two of the largest such cities in the nation to have this distinction. (Louisville briefly regained Amtrak service with the Kentucky Cardinal, which operated 1999-2003).



The Floridian as conceived by Amtrak was a combination of the Pennsylvania Railroad's (PRR) South Wind, which operated over PRR track from Chicago to Louisville via Logansport and Indianapolis, Indiana; then L&N from Louisville to Montgomery, Alabama; the Atlantic Coast Line (ACL) from Montgomery via Waycross to Jacksonville; and then either the Florida East Coast Railway (FEC) to Miami or the Atlantic Coast Line to St. Petersburg.[1]:79–80


Amtrak restored the South Wind—later renamed Floridian—as a through daily Chicago-Miami train. However, the train was rerouted away from Logansport to the James Whitcomb Riley route via Indianapolis, changing its northern terminus to Chicago's Central Station (owned by Illinois Central Railroad [IC]), which it shared with Amtrak's Panama Limited (the renamed City of New Orleans and not the original all-Pullman flagship) until that facility was vacated later in favor of consolidating all services at Chicago's Union Station. The Floridian began using Union Station on January 23, 1972.[1]:82

The new Floridian had to contend with Penn Central's (PC) poor track conditions, which resulted in occasional use of MoPac (former Chicago & Eastern Illinois) and L&N (former Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville: Monon) routes north of Louisville. In January 1977, the Floridian was cancelled for two weeks due to severe winter weather in Chicago.[2]

Amtrak, which came into being May 1, 1971, also began serving the west coast of Florida by splitting the now-daily South Wind at Auburndale, with a section to St. Petersburg via Tampa. During Amtrak's tenure, it continued to utilize E-units from many railroads before replacing them with the SDP40Fs which began arriving in the mid 1970s. Unfortunately, these engines had a tendency to derail, especially on rickety PC trackage. The train suffered abominable time keeping and frequent derailments, including one at 10 mph. The consists remained steam-heated.

The Floridian was briefly combined with the Louisville—Sanford run of Auto-Train. The success with the original Lorton—Sanford Auto-Train did not replicate itself on the Louisville-Sanford run, in part due to the poor timekeeping of the Floridian and this train was discontinued before Auto-Train itself finally succumbed to financial difficulties in the early 1980s. As part of this move Amtrak stopped serving Union Station in Louisville on November 1, 1976, instead using Auto-Train's suburban station. This continued until the Floridian's discontinuance.[1]:221

A similar end would come for the Floridian as it ceased operations in 1979, along with the National Limited, North Coast Hiawatha, Lone Star, and Champion, thus helping to roll back some of the key parts of the original Amtrak system and gains made since its May 1, 1971 founding. The discontinuance was the outgrowth of a DOT report compiled during the Carter Administration that recommended the reduction of services on several routes that did not meet a metric for cost coverage. This report also recommended the discontinuance of the Chicago—Oakland (San Francisco) San Francisco Zephyr—which, as the California Zephyr, has become one of Amtrak's most popular trains.

Proposed revival[edit]

There has been no concrete effort to re-establish a Chicago-Miami service, either on the route of the South Wind/Floridian or on that of its partners the City of Miami and Dixie Flagler. During the early 2000s, Amtrak extended the Kentucky Cardinal to a re-opened Louisville Union Station, then discontinued the train again.

While there have been no proposals to restore Amtrak service to Nashville, there have been repeated calls from residents.[3] However, in 2007 Tennessee state officials said resumption of service was unlikely due to scarce federal funding. "It would be wonderful to say I can be in Memphis and jump on a train to Nashville, but the volume of people who would do that isn't anywhere close to what the cost would be to provide the service," said Ed Cole, chief of environment and planning with the Tennessee Department of Transportation.[3] Ross Capon, executive director of the National Association of Railroad Passengers, said rail trips would catch on if routes were expanded, but conceded that it would be nearly impossible resume to Amtrak service to Nashville without a substantial investment from the state.[3]

Motive power[edit]

In the diesel era, the South Wind was originally powered by PRR engines. Later, when a second train set was added, the train was typically headed by the E-units of the PRR on one set, and ACL on the other set. Though the train used the L&N for a significant portion of its run, a run-through agreement between the PRR and ACL provided that L&N units were only used in emergencies.

Soon after the Central of Georgia (CofG) took delivery of E8s 811 and 812, they were sent to Chicago and repainted in IC colors, returning to the CofG only on diesel run-throughs of IC power. They were used on the IC system. As a result, the IC supplied power to the City of Miami from Chicago to Miami and in the mid-1960s on the Seminole between Chicago and Columbus, Georgia. These engines were returned to the CofG after Amtrak came into being, but were retired from service.

The Dixie Flagler was originally steam powered with each railroad supplying their own power. Some had specifically designated streamlined engines.


  1. ^ a b c Sanders, Craig (2006). Amtrak in the Heartland. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press. ISBN 0-253-34705-X. OCLC 61499942. 
  2. ^ "Amtrak Floridian Back In Service". Retrieved 2013-11-22. 
  3. ^ a b c Howard, Kate (July 2, 2007). "Fans of rail want Amtrak here; Nashville not ready to support train service, state says". The Tennessean. Retrieved October 30, 2012. 

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