Talk:Alex Taylor (footballer)

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Requested move 21 October 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Danski454 (talk) 12:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Taylor (footballer) → Alex Taylor (Scottish footballer) – WP:PRECISE ambiguous disambiguation is a bad idea, the New Zealand footballer is listed under the type of football played, so "footballer" for the Scottish player is insufficient. -- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 07:56, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@67.70.33.184 and Vycl1994: Queried move request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above seems to suggest that the parenthetical disambigiator is not WP:PRECISE enough, However, in practice, the disambiguator (footballer) evokes association football for many articles on European players of the sport and this article does not need further WP:PRECISION in disambiguating by country, as Alex Taylor (rugby union) plays rugby union, a different code altogether. Vycl1994 (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Rugby players are called "footballers" in New Zealand.[1][2][3] New Zealand is not in Europe, so "Alex Taylor (footballer)" should redirect to the New Zealand article for all Wikipedians coming from New Zealand, and to the Socttish player only for users coming from Europe? Obviously, the country should be added to the Scottish player's article title, since we should not discriminate against New Zealanders. -- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 03:24, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - IP, (footballer) as a disambigator on Wikipedia, largely does refer to association football player. See Mohammed Rafi (footballer), and Bilal Khan (footballer), of India, and Li Ang (footballer) of China. Mohamed Salah (Indian footballer) or Jaime Vásquez (Chilean footballer) are also not European, but they are still disambiguated with footballer. The latter two could be confused with other people in association football that share the same name, so that is why they are disambigated by nationality. That is, Mohamed Salah (football manager) is an Egyptian association football coach, and Jaime Vásquez (Peruvian footballer) is a Peruvian association football player. Again, nationality usually comes into play if the athletes play under the same code. More examples include: Aaron Connolly (Irish footballer), Aaron Connolly (Scottish footballer), Alan Judge (English footballer), Alan Judge (Irish footballer), Andy Reid (Irish footballer), Andy Reid (Scottish footballer). I reiterate that "(footballer)" distinctly refers to association football for most of the world. The first choice is to disambiguate by code, and the current title does just that. Australian rules footballers like Lewis Taylor, are disambigated like so: Lewis Taylor (Australian footballer), Gordon King (American football) is an American football player. I grant that association footballers can also be disambiguated with soccer, as in the case of the American Michael Bradley (soccer), while the Irish athlete who plays under a different code is simply Michael Bradley (rugby union). Here again, the Michael Bradleys' nationalities do not factor into disambiguation because of the difference in code. After the code and nationality, further order disambiguation includes birth year, as in Michael Bradley (rugby player, born 1897). Vycl1994 (talk) 04:12, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "Footballer" is the usual disambiguator for association football players, and there are no others to require more specific disambiguation. No objection to adding a hatnote though. PC78 (talk) 12:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- "Footballer" is only the usual disambiguator if there is no other competing topic. Just like any other disambiguator, the simpler form only works if there's only one topic. For this topic, there are two footballers (in differing codes) by the same name, thus needing to move this one to either "Scottish footballer" or the complementary disambiguator "association football" (which is a worse choice, even though it uses the football code's name) -- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 03:24, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - My understanding of WP:NCSP is that association football and rugby are not regarded as "competing topics" in this context, however I appreciate that the guideline doesn't say so in as many words. PC78 (talk) 07:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 10:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per PC78, no ambiguity between 'footballer' and 'rugby union' as standard disambiguators. Giant Snowman 10:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Standard disambiguators. Almost nobody refers to rugby players as footballers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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