Talk:Andrew Scheer

Definition of Henry Morgentaler

Up until recently Henry Morgentaler was defined in this article as abortionist. Recently Users: Jon Kolbert & Newimpartial have changed it to be merely pro-choice advocate, which is true but doesn;t summarize the whole essence of Dr. Morgentaler who didn't merely advocate, he actively performed abortions during time when they were banned. The term abortionist is also not a WP:OR, here is an example of this term being used to describe Henry Morgentaler. So i believe the term abortionist should be reinstated. Shemtovca (talk) 22:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Certainly he performed abortions and both the sources cited at the end of the sentence say so, and neither says exactly that he was a pro-choice advocate (though one cited source quotes somebody saying his work helped the pro-choice side). Nor is it clear that Scheer was objecting because Morgentaler was an advocate, rather than a practitioner. So the new phrase "pro-choice advocate" is poorly sourced and undue, I agree that it should not have been inserted. But I'm not agreeing that "abortionist" must be re-instated. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I would prefer that something more neutral be used, like "a practitioner heavily involved in the pro-choice movement" or something of that nature. Jon Kolbert (talk) 23:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I think a practitioner is too vague. The Globe article calls him Abortion rights crusader, so how about Abortion rights crusader who personally performed illegal abortions Shemtovca (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

He also performed legal abortions. How about "who performed abortions both before and after legalization" or perhaps something that makes it clear that his legal defenses actually led to legalization. Newimpartial (talk) 02:07, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that would be an apt description of Morgentaler in this context. Jon Kolbert (talk) 06:10, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Fine if one of the above proposals, or any new one, gets consensus. Meanwhile since there's no consensus for the new insertion of "pro-choice advocate", I removed it. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 22:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Section: Firearms policy

Suggested edit: replace the red link with "long gun registry". 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:B9A4:54A6:51E1:92B4 (talk) 06:50, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

His connection to the Canadian Alt-right needs to be mentioned

How are we ignoring that he's largely the champion for the extreme-right/anti immigration groups in Canada? Probably should be in this article. Ael8008 (talk) 08:54, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Citation needed. --47.37.56.179 (talk) 22:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Reference to Scheer working as an Insurance Broker

I thought I should create a discussion about this before editing as it's potentially controversial. The subject came up this morning on CTV Question Period, and Robert Fife said very definitively Scheer did not work as an Insurance Broker/sell Insurance, contrary to what his biography and other available sources describe. I did some digging and the Province of Saskatchewan, where Scheeer claims to have been a Broker requires that only license holders may call themselves such

"No agent shall engage in the insurance brokerage business or hold himself out as an insurance broker unless he is specifically authorized by his licence to engage in the insurance brokerage business." Source

This is a problem because according to Insurance Council of Saskatchewan, Scheer was never a license holder.

I'm not sure how best to handle this because it looks like the published sources are giving bad information, and we don't have verifiable sources showing what he actually did. I think the best option is to remove the reference altogether, but I'll defer to the discussion.JosephMacNeil (talk) 17:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

You cannot undo history! This was not a Wiki error, it was a deliberate (and illegal) misrepresentation on Scheer's part. At the very least, the controversy should be noted with the resulting clarification.

200.68.142.20 (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC) baden k.

Mmvictoria has changed "broker" to "clerk", which I agree is better for now. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree, If the word Broker changed to Clerk, and that has been misrepresented for years and the point in controversial this should be noted on Wikipedia in the main entry. Facts are facts. CFisher68 (talk) 02:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, If the word Broker changed to Clerk, and that has been misrepresented for years and the point in controversial this should be noted on Wikipedia in the main entry. Facts are facts. CFisher68 (talk) 02:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, If the word Broker changed to Clerk, and that has been misrepresented for years and the point in controversial this should be noted on Wikipedia in the main entry. Facts are facts. CFisher68 (talk) 02:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

THE Ukraine?

This usage is outdated but appears numerous times in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.69.63.98 (talk) 03:53, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

General observation of negativity and bias

My observation is that the article appears to be a "hatchet job" strongly biased against Mr. Scheer, cataloguing everything negative about him, in a sneering, pejorative tone, and stating very little about any positive achievements. The article needs to be totally rewritten in a neutral, impartial manner. THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE AND NEEDS TO BE REMEDIED PRONTO! I AM WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO EDIT THIS TO MAKE IT IMPARTIAL AND NEUTRAL & DELETE ANY DUBIOUS OR SNEERING-TONED MATERIAL! But your LOCK prevents me from doing that!

I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THE VERY LEAST THAT THERE BE IMMEDIATELY POSTED AT THE TOP: THE IMPARTIALITY OF THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN QUESTIONED, AND THERE IS MUCH IN THE ARTICLE THAT MAY BE LIBELLOUS, AND/OR UNSUBSTANTIATED.

• @IP: please see the "semi-protected edit request" threads above for examples of how to request changes to protected articles, and start a new thread with your specific request. That means it's up to you to tell us what specific information in the article should be changed (e.g. "Andrew Scheer is a dolphin"), what it should be changed to (e.g. "please change 'Andrew Scheer is a dolphin' to 'Andrew Scheer is a grizzly bear'"), and why it should be changed, with reference to a reliable source if necessary. If you come here just to shout that the article is unfair, without making any actual specific suggestions, there's no way that we can help you. Also, please don't shout. Thanks. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Dual-citizenship appropriate to mention in intro?

My take: Dual citizenship is adequately addressed in the sidebar and (at length) later on. The actors previously mentioned by another editor as Canadian American in their intro (Trebek & Fox) were born/raised in Canada and worked in the US, establishing the context for the importance of raising the dual identity in the intro. More relevantly, we have two recent precedents of major Canadian political party leaders of dual-citizenship gained through a parent: Stephane Dion & Tom Mulcair. No "Canadian French politician" in their intros, but mentioned elsewhere. The fact that we have a third now, from a different party from each of the others, makes it seem like mentioning the dual-citizenship in the intro now might not be fair when other party leaders are introduced as "Canadian" right away and their secondary citizenship (also gained through a parent, not by living/working there personally) is mentioned elsewhere. Cavernousknoll (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, and I ping the two editors who earlier inserted "American" in the first sentence (Mennowiki and Kek-9) to remind them: BLP policy says don't re-insert without seeking consensus. Similar matters have been discussed in the past, e.g. in Nationality and the wording of OPENPARA. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:15, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if it changes anything, but he now says despite his earlier statements, he no longer intends to renounce his American citizenship. Unless something changes, he is going to remain an American citizen.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

References

First permanent Conservative leader not to become PM

Please include this -

Scheer will become the first permanent leader of the current Conservative Party not to become Prime Minister.114.74.89.165 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: - please provide a reliable source that states this, and indicates how it's relevant. As there have only been two permanent leaders of the post-merger Conservatives it hardly seems important. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:44, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Oppose including this trivial detail. For a party with only two permanent leaders, this is not an encyclopedic detail. Perhaps later, but perhaps WP:TOOSOON applies here. Doug Mehus T·C 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-scheer-ranks-1.5394087

"Scheer will be the first leader of an undivided Conservative party to never become prime minister since Stanfield, who resigned in 1976."

How about this: "Scheer will become the first permanent leader of an undivided Conservative party who did not become prime minister Robert Stanfield and the first under the current Conservative Party of Canada banner." 114.74.89.165 (talk) 14:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Oppose per rationale above. Doug Mehus T·C 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

No longer party leader. Now party 'interim' leader

According to sources, he resigned on December 12 effective immediately as leader of the party. Shortly after, the party caucus (who had to name an interim leader, due to Scheer's immediate resignation, rather then sticking around until a permanent successor was chosen) chose Scheer as interim leader. Perhaps we should reflect this in the infobox & the rest of the article? GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I just want to mention that this discussion is currently occurring on the 44th Canadian federal election talk page. I'll add a request for comment (or GoodDay will) over there. - MikkelJSmith (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

GoodDay and MikkelJSmith2, I would call Andrew Scheer Leader of the Official Opposition and Parliamentary Leader for the Conservative caucus. He only resigned as Conservative Party Leader. His status is the same as Elizabeth May except he's also still Leader of the Official Opposition (a parliamentary role). (Cross-posted from GoodDay's talkpage. Doug Mehus T·C 17:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Dmehus, thanks for the input, could you write this on the 44th Canadian federal election talk page that's where the sources and the main discussion is occurring. I would ask that you look at the sources too, since they contradict each other. MikkelJSmith (talk) 17:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Ethnic Origins - "Romanian family"

In any case, clearly information was missing from his page about this, just stating he had some Romanian origins was not enough, and there was some good information to be found about some of his ancestors originating from New York City, others being of Irish descent, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tolkien5 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2020

Change: "On 12 December 2019, Scheer announced he would be resigning as the leader of the Conservative Party effective upon the election of a new one.[14][15]" to: "On 12 December 2019, Scheer announced he would be resigning as the leader of the Conservative Party effective upon the election of a new one as a result of the discovery that he was using Conservative Party money to pay for his children’s private schooling.[14][15]"

Source: https://globalnews.ca/news/6288286/andrew-scheer-resignation/ Bobmcfay (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Later in the article, the party insists this issue was NOT the reason for the resignation. QueerFilmNerd^talk 06:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Speaker infobox

The infobox is missing Scheer's time as Speaker of the House. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.101.227 (talk) 03:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

It is there. It is just hidden under the collapsed box titled "Additional offices held". Just have to click it to read them. He has held a few offices including Speaker, Deputy Speaker, Conservative Party leader, Opposition House Leader, and MP. The infobox would be unforgivably long if we did not collapse those titles.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020

Please change Andrew James Scheer PC MP (born 20 May 1979) is a Canadian politician who currently< to

Andrew James Scheer PC MP (born 20 May 1979) is a dual national Canadian/American politician who currently< 

see https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-has-american-citizenship-1.5307986 Christo2000 (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Since earlier sections on this talk page, for example "Dual-citizenship appropriate to mention in intro?", have indicated there would be no consensus for this, I believe the appropriate preliminary reply is "no". Of course, other editors may come to this talk page and try to get consensus for it. This is not about whether "dual" is due elsewhere in the article. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2021

The office title of 'Deputy Speaker' has the 'S' in speaker lowercased (i.e. "s"). Please change it to reflect the rules of grammar. 138.51.251.15 (talk) 07:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done DarthFlappy 17:56, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

lead image

Pinging @Randusk: who made the original change and @Lord Stephenson: who reverted and requested talk page consensus.

Any thoughts on changing the lead image from 1 to a cropped version of 2 (as seen here)?

1

2

• In 1, Scheer looks like a child, the quality is grainy, and it's a year older than in 2, so I would prefer 2. WildComet (talk) 08:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
• I much prefer 2 as well, not just because it's newer but it's better quality. I will say, however, that photo 2 should be cropped in a 3 by 4 ratio and that cropped picture should be used to fit. Much better than rather than using the original wide image with the "CSS image crop" template. Randusk (talk) 16:19, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Lead photo is awkward-looking, his mouth is wide-open. Let's change it.

This is a much better photo Ak-eater06 (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

better photo

Birthdate

Exactly why were there attempts to remove Scheer's birthdate from his article's intro & infobox? GoodDay (talk) 08:01, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

The source seems good enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

User:GoodDay a disruptive editor was trying to use it as an excuse to block me or something. He reported me for reverting his edit but I was not blocked. Ak-eater06 (talk) 14:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

You should assume good faith, particularly when talking about a long-standing editor. What evidence is there that he was disruptive? Are you saying that removing unsourced material is disruptive? Instant Comma (talk) 14:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Instant Comma so you're telling me I should respect an editor based on his edit count? Hilarious. Ak-eater06 (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

No, I am saying that you should assume good faith and have asked what evidence you have to justify your imputation of bad faith, a question you have not answered. Would you be willing to explain why you find my comments amusing? Instant Comma (talk) 19:34, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay: It was an unsourced WP:DOB, which is a particularly sensitive WP:BLP issue. The DOB has since been reliably sourced. Toddst1 (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

That was quite a few years, of it being there unsourced. GoodDay (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yup. I try to clean these up as I come across them. Toddst1 (talk) 03:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)