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Armand Hammer Biography: Blumay, Carl, The Dark Side of Power, ISBN 0-671-85086-5 0671700537 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.141.37 (talk) 13:32 & :36, 20 May 2004‎

(Dossier I)[edit]


Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer By Edward Jay Epstein; Random House/US
This investigative book exposes the life of Armand Hammer -- hailed during his lifetime as a successful businessman and philanthropist -- for what it was: a myth, nurtured and embellished for nearly 70 years. In 1922, Lenin wrote a secret letter to Stalin, designating Hammer as their official "path" to the resources of American capitalism. From then until his death in 1990, Hammer was indeed a Soviet agent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.63.141 (talk) 05:00 & :01, 17 January 2006‎

Several useful readings[edit]

(Dossier II)[edit]

I've used "[--]" below to replace line breaks that made material more confusing: links and comments apparently relating to them are no longer on separate lines.
--Jerzyt 07:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

http://independence.net/gore/ [--] The history of A.H., his connection with the Gores, and his false credibility. Most of them are taken from the Epstein's Dossier
www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38c4a8fd6308.htm [--] How Mr Clean got his hands dirty [The Gores, Armand Hammer, and Oxy Petroleum]
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.63.141 (talk) 06:00, 17 January 2006‎

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/armand_hammer.htm [--] Reviewing DOSSIER: THE SECRET HISTORY OF ARMAND HAMMER
http://members.iglou.com/jtmajor/Hammer.htm [--] ... in green background
The Great Pretender [--] Another review of Dossier, highlighted on Hammer's connection with English royalty
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.63.141 (talk) 06:19, 17 January 2006‎
I've actually read "The Dark Side of Power" and "Dossier", not just the book jacket blurb and reviews. The Soviets were delighted to have a sympathetic ear in Armand Hammer, and had great hopes for him as an "agent of influence" (their expression, not mine). Note, however, that an "agent of influence" is not a Soviet agent in the sense that the Washington Times or Free Republic would have you believe. He did not take orders from anybody behind the iron curtain; they just hoped that his positive experiences in the USSR would serve as a role model to convince other capitalists to regard them more favorably. In this, they were disappointed. Through his life, Hammer regularly exaggerated his wealth and influence. He got a lot more from the Soviets in business deals and classic art than they ever got from him.
Hammer's FBI files have been pulled by researchers using the Freedom of Information Act. The FBI followed him closely through much of his life. You can find the records online if you search a bit. The nasty stuff boils down to
  1. His father had been a communist (as discussed in the Wikipedia article)
  2. Hammer gave illegal support to the Republican party
Uucp 11:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

(Medicine (& Dossier III))[edit]

There's a discussion at http://www.volokh.com/posts/1177040902.shtml that mentions inaccuracies in the article, including that:

  • The "although he never practiced medicine" part is inaccurate
  • The botched abortion which the Wikipedia article attributes to his father was performed by him
  • Quite a bit of negative information from Dossier is not present.

We don't have direct sources for the first two (unless it's in Dossier, which someone else will have to check), but we don't have sources for the parts of the article that contradict them either.
Ken Arromdee 13:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The botched abortion was performed by his father, according to the Biographical Dictionary of American Business Leaders, p. 533. That source also indicates "he was sent there [Russia] in 1921 (while waiting for his internship to begin at Bellevue Hospital)", and in Theodore D. Lockwood's Dreams & Promises: The Story of the Armand Hammer United World College, p. 11 we also find that "Hammer had studied medicine at Columbia University and had received his M.D. in 1921, but before he could take up his internship he went to Russia".
While neither of these explicitly say "he never practiced medicine", the fact that he never did an internship would indicate that. However, if you want to be airtight, you could replace it with something like "Although his medical career ended before he could begin his internship"...
Biruitorul 19:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Based on the discussion at Volokh, it seems possible he practiced medicine while a student. So we could say something like "Although he never completed his internship...", to cover the possibility that he did practice while at Columbia.
Biruitorul 03:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


Fair use rationale for Image:DrHammer.jpg[edit]

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Soviet Order of Friendship of People[edit]

There is no such thing as "Lenin's Order of Friendship of People", there are Lenin Order and Order of Friendship of Peoples; Hammer was awarded the latter. Corrected in the article.
oxana (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Julius Hammer as owner of Soviet Concession[edit]

In Alexander Barmine's book "One Who Survived" it was Dr. Julius Hammer who received the Soviet stationary concession and Barmine was in a position to know since he was in charge of the trading company that bought the supplies from Hammer's factories. It appears that Armand Hammer later told journalists that he ran the Soviet concession and deals when in fact it was his father, Julius, who did so. Barmine refers to Julius Hammer as "Dr. Hammer" in his book so apparently Armand was imitating his father with this title as well.
John Chamberlain (talk) 15:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone about california have a reference to this.[edit]

I remember from a report I did about 1982, on the year 1971, that during this cold war period, it was claimed that Armand Hammer died in 1971, as did Louis Armstrong. Does anyone have a reference book showing this data, as all current data shows revisions, as in The Summer of Love article on wikipedia calling it 1967 only, and not 1969, or even into 1969 (until it was updated).
LoneRubberDragon (talk) 02:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

It was still deep in the cold war era, about the times of COINTELPRO, hyperinflation from the 1960's technology economy bust and housing market home price inflation, and the cuban missile crisis was recent as with the Kennedy Assassination. Propaganda cannot be ruled out to Manufacture Consent, since Armand Hammer was a russian of Baking Soda and other fame.
LoneRubberDragon (talk) 02:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism_(negationism)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
LoneRubberDragon (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The report was made within united states, california, los angeles county, LAUSD, Diamond Bar, Grade School infrastructure which is located next to the Diamond Bar oil fields with (now decomissioned) NIKE missile site protection, so cold war propaganda to Manufacture Consent may very likely apply to this historical data reference, now missing in records.
LoneRubberDragon (talk) 02:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puente_Hills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brea-Olinda_Oil_Field
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_missile
LoneRubberDragon (talk) 02:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Arm & Hammer[edit]

I seem to remember reading once that Armand Hammer wanted to buy the company.
74.100.60.53 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC).


Quest for the Romanov treasure (retitled) UNTITLED REDUNDANT SECTION[edit]

I retitled the section - to draw maximum attention to the issue. The section has no content - none whatsoever - addressing the original section title. I hope for productive response to this - to wit, deletion or, if possible, applicable refill. JTGILLICK (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

This section should be expanded or have its name changed. There is nothing in the this section that even hints at the Romanov treasure except that it questions his motivations for going to Russia/Soviet Union. The reader is required to make some pretty broad assumptions in order to make a connection.
John Elson3DhamWF6I A.P.O.I. 18:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

"Quest for the Romanov Treasure" is the name of the book Hammer published about his early years in the Soviet Union, and the material in that section presumably derives from the book and other people's responses to it.
Uucp (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Why the "See also" section[edit]

What's the link with Cyrus Eaton? There's no mention of Armand Hammer in that article, or Cyrus Eton in this one.
Jed (talk) 15:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Use of inapplicable terms[edit]

In the lead section:

  1. If you object to a *person* (rather than to some role being assigned to him), i think you want him killed or left to starve. In any case, tell us the context.
  2. You pretty much cultivate people by deciding to, and pretty much succeed or fail at that attempt "thanks to" your resources (including skill) or lack thereof.

--Jerzyt 02:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

My preceding comments in this talk section explain logic behind my corresponding rewrites in same 24 period.
--Jerzyt 07:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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