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Create Marc Article[edit]

i want to create marc article but when you search for marc McKnight it redirects here —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanTorresROCKS (talkcontribs) 04:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


Has anybody got a preview of one of atreyu's songs to put on the article? Kingalex1st (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

How can you find a preview of a song? Can you make one? If its okay to make one, I can do it and try to post it on hereJtMoto6 (talk) 02:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


How come on one of they're albums pages the genre says deathcore and i just want to find out how they are before i change itJakeellsonator (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Their older stuff, from Suicide Note, was far more dark in the form of its lyrics that fits the deathcore genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics don't classify them as deathcore. The album, or any other album, have no death metal influences in there. Deathcore is clearly defined as death metal with metalcore influences. Lyrics have nothing to do with that.--Kevinlovesyou (talk) 16:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

For right now, I have removed the deathcore link from their Suicide Notes Butterfly Kisses album information. If you are able to bring some sort of evidence proving that they are deathcore, then just simply place the deathcore link back with a reference backing it up. Otherwise I will keep removing it. WE NEED EVIDENCE.--Kevinlovesyou (talk) 16:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


Should they still be called metalcore after their last album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThickerThanWater19 (talkcontribs) 05:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. While there was a ton of experimentation with other genres on their latest release, there was still metalcore on there. What else would we call them? They are known as a metalcore band more than anything else. We also can't be general and call them a 'metal' band because metalcore and post-hardcore are both punk genres, whereas the only metal genre they have is metalcore. If anything we would have to call them a punk band, which I still don't find accurate. James25402 (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes they are still considered metalcore. Otherwise we would have to label them as metal like James25402 just said. But metal is to broad. Metalcore is more accurate, or we can just label them alternative metal. That also seems suitable. Listening to the album can also help. The first song, Doomsday, Becoming the Bull, Can't Happen Here, The Squeeze, and others are clearly metalcore. This is more than half the album, which makes the album metalcore--Kevinlovesyou (talk) 16:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
To be honest it needs two tags, one which is Metalcore for their earlier EP's and releases, and Faggotstream, for their mainstream album, lead losers and paper dicks

ok thats just redicules and immature, wikipedia (and no one else) is interested in you opinion. as the above comment says, most of Lead Sails Paper Anchor is still Metalcore, just because Falling Down and Slow Burn are Hard Rock, it doesn't mean the rest of the album is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

What? I am sorry to hear you disagree, but we can't just label it metalcore ( but Falling down and Slow Burn don't qualify). The genre depends on the album in its entirety. Where are not labeling songs individually, but the entire album as one. Come up with a better, more "suitable" name for the sound of this album okay! The album can actually be considered metalcore because the majority of the album falls into that category. --Kevinlovesyou (talk) 05:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstand me, I was annoyed at the above comment. Its not as far off as people insist, if u liten to the albums in progression the screaming in slowly reduced as they moved foreward. This album still contains Metalcore as a primary genre although they have ventured into others as well. Alt Metal and Hard Rock do come to mind, but the spite for this album annoys the hell out of me. The growth of the guitars is outstanding but the fact that screaming is reduced is the only basis people use to classify the album, it rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


I dnt remember you give elove a bad name being released as a single and i cant find any mention of atreyu even having a song called two weeks. should be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


'“We started as a heavy metal band,” says lead vocalist Alex Varkatzas' ; this is wrong, the actual quote is; “We started as a heavy hardcore band,” says lead vocalist Alex Varkatzas" This needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Post - Hardcore and Hard Rock[edit]

I've noticed these genre is being constently added and removed from this page (Post-Hardcore particually). From the reviews i've seen, Metalcore is definatly the overiding genre in describing the bands sound, and most of there more recent efforts are refered to as Alt Metal or Hard Rock mixed with occsional returns to Metalcore.

From memory I think I've seen them described as post-hardcore elsewhere once or twice although I can't remember where.

I'd say Metalcore / Alternative Metal is probly the best genres to have in the info box.

That being said Post-Harcore and Hard Rock aren't unreasonalbe. Perhaps a style section could be added indicating influence from these genres as well as change in sound on Lead Sails Paper Anchor and slight change on Death-Grip on Yesterday rather than adding them to the info box. Any thoughts? Ducky610 (talk) 02:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I am at lose as to why the genre has been changed again without it being sourced or disscused! Can we have some disscusion instead of post-hardcore being added and removed at will? (talk) 11:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Post-hardcore as a genre[edit]

Can someone please stop removing post-hardcore as a genre when I add it. I think that Atreyu are post-hardcore in their later releases, and their style of metalcore is far more hardcore punk influenced than other metalcore bands eg Killswitch Engage. Therefore I think that Post-hardcore should be one of their genres. I wont remove Metalcore or Alternative metal, I just think it should be added —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

key word, "I Think". find sources for it and it can stay, until it is sourced, it is going to be removed. To be honest I agree with you about them being alot closer to Harcore punk than other metalcore bands. But just about every source I've seen calls then Metalcore with there newer albums mostly called alt metal or hard rock as well (alt metal being sourced to allmusic) so thats how it stays unless other sources are found Ducky610 (talk) 22:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Good point. I'll look for some sources then. Fair enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

ehh The image for this page has gone, and its generally messed up, can anyone fix it, because i dont know how to —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC) Don't worry, fixed it, but does anyone know how to add quotes? Could u tell me what to do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed that as well, sorry about that-- (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoever is undoing my change, please don't. Ive provided the sources, so why are you changing it. I will just undo your change every time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

alex varkatzas[edit]

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Biography: Alex Varkatzas (born January 17, 1982 in Orange County, California) is the vocalist/throat singer for the Metalcore band Atreyu. He is half Greek and his real first name is "Ektor" which is a family name. He has a large number of tattoos, many of which are based on Japanese imagery. He currently lives in Orange County, only a few blocks away from the houses of Offspring vocalist/guitarist Dexter Holland and Avenged Sevenfold vocalist M. Shadows. Also, he is a health and fitness fanatic and he does not drink alcohol, although he used to be somewhat of an alcoholic. Most of their album, A Death-Grip on Yesterday, is based on the struggles he went through quitting his drinking habit. sex:male age:28 birthday:January 12,1982 astrology sighn:capricorn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephy23xo (talkcontribs) 17:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Reunion paragraph[edit]

The lines regarding the band ending their hiatus in spring or summer of 2012 is speculative at best. Even if the YouTube link were a suitable source, which it isn't, Miguel states that they will "probably" reunite at that time. Probably is not an official announcement of any reunion. It's speculation and therefore does not warrant inclusion, per WP:CRYSTAL. When an official announcement is made, via an independent source, it should then be added. Otherwise, it does not belong. NJZombie (talk) 05:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Once again we encounter more of Wikipedia's dumb ass guidelines for writing informatively. Even though the YouTube video DOES contain Travis Miguel saying that the band will 'probably' get back together during the spring or summer and is openly expressing that it's just wishful thinking and a valid update, Wikipedia still wants to be a hard-ass and prefer not to allow valid information to be included on the page. I've made up in my mind that the way things are going on this site, poor Jimmy Wales will never gain enough funding to avoid resorting to advertising. It's sad, but all these idiotic guidelines for 'being informative' turn people away from contributing to a potentially trustworthy website. "When an official announcement is made, via an independent source, it should then be added. Otherwise, it does not belong." Too bad Wikipedia is too ignorant to realize that one of the band members themselves is the best independent source you can ask for. But whatever. Chose to blatantly ignore truth and considerably relevant facts and, I promise, by the end of the year, Wikipedia will have ads up the ass. I'm done contributing to a website that nit-picks legitimate information because it doesn't consider YouTube a "suitable source". What's ironic is, currently Wikipedia itself is considered the most unreliable source on the internet. Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Thanks for shunning contributors who actually consider truth relevant and informative. You're doomed to failure. Let it sink in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

How could an actual band member be the best independent source? Being in the band is the exact opposite of an independent source. The goal of Wikipedia is not truth, but verifiability. A YouTube video of a band member saying they will "probably" get back together is hardly a reliable source. The video features a band member speculating on something that might happen and does not feature any sort of actual announcement. Whether you like them or not, Wikipedia has guidelines that need to be followed. Threatening to leave the site, especially when you continue making edits after said threat, doesn't change the rules. For all the people the rules are apparently turning away, there seem to be plenty that have stuck around who also follow the rules. NJZombie (talk) 02:19, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you listening to yourself? You're not very bright. If you ask Travis Miguel I'm sure he'll verify it. Idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:23, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

It's simple. Your edits were not acceptable under the criteria required. Finding Travis Miguel and asking him in person is not a way to prove your point. I suggest reading up on the subject at WP:RELIABLE. Any further edits that do not follow these guidelines will be removed as well. When done with that, read up on personal attacks at WP:CIVIL. Further attacks against any Wikipedia user can possibly lead to being prevented from using the site at all, at which point, you won't have to worry about what's acceptable and what isn't. NJZombie (talk) 20:33, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Links Updated[edit]

I deleted dead links and added live ones. The original official band site has lapsed to the original licenser. I included Myspace along with Facebook and Twitter, mostly due to the lack of a "dedicated" band site (not unusual these days, though), but Facebook and Twitter are only ones that get regular updates, Myspace about a year stale, could/should be dropped? Also included Roadrunner Records band page, I don't believe that violates any copyright provision, but please remove if so. YouTube Channel includes official videos, so I consider that relevant and an historical record. Lastly, the Brazil site may be a fan site. I don't speak/read Portuguese, so I'm not sure. Anyone with that expertise, please check it out and remove if a fan site. I find it hard to believe they would drop the US site, but keep the Brazil one, unless they just forgot about it, or their term is different for that site - it's also one that hasn't been updated in a year or so. Hollywood Records no longer lists Atreyu on its start page and I could find no link, fwiw Stealthmouse (talk) 17:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 5 February 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move. We have a rough but clear consensus that the band is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the character it's named after. The dab page will be deleted. Cúchullain t/c 18:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

– There are only two subjects with this name; the band, and a character from Neverending Story. However, the character does not have an individual article, and should therefore be included as a top note on the Atreyu page, which is quite clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in my opinion. Sock (tock talk) 15:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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WOW! just wow! A band named after a character from the NEVER ENDING STORY!!! WOW!!! JUST WOW!!! So original! NOT!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:19, 13 January 2017 (UTC)