Talk:Bernhard Goetz

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Biography (Rated B-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 
WikiProject New York City (Rated B-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Crime (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
Checklist icon
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 


Better wording in beginning section?[edit]

The phrase "he was both praised and vilified by the media and public opinion." doesn't seem right. How about "he was both praised and vilified in the media and public opinion."? Or maybe somewhat different wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.129.42.52 (talk) 02:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like the perfect correction, to me.Willondon (talk) 13:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

This should be changed into an incident article[edit]

It's not really Bernhard Goetz's biography, even "Activities since the incident" is mostly about the four other persons involved. --Niemti (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like a bad suggestion. Its a comprehensive article the way it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.163.36.83 (talk)

I would probably leave it where it is as per point three of WP:BLP1E. --NeilN talk to me 02:10, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Goetz may qualify for a BLP article per that point, but this article is not that article. This is clearly focused much more on the event than the person. support rename and tweaking of article to convert to event. Gaijin42 (talk) 15:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I disagree and see little difference between this article and John Hinckley, Jr.. --NeilN talk to me 15:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree in renaming and tweaking the article accordingly. As for Hinckley, note that the incident he is known for has its own article: Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. So there you have two articles, both incident and bio. In this case, like in most other criminal cases, I believe we just need an incident. And at least as long as we just have one article, it should be about the incident (with some biographic info in it). The incident is clearly more imporant than the person per se here. Is there anyone who has a suggestion to what an incident article should be called? "New York City Subway shootings"? Regards Iselilja (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • support rescoping. The article is about the incident, and this person has little notability aside from the incident. 1984 New York City subway shootings sounds reasonable to me, with Berhard Goetz redirected here. We should probably just start a formal RM.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Of course the article is centered the about subway shooting. Its taken many years to write this comprehensive article and its now considered the reference on the subject. If its not broke why fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.234.3 (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm just suggesting a rename, and slight rescoping, framing it as an event/incident article. A smaller article could be written focused on Goetz' biography if needed.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 12:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
You'll probably have to start a formal RfC before you do that. --NeilN talk to me 13:59, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I support this renaming proposal, as the article isn't mostly about Goetz, but about the incident. Lithistman (talk) 18:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

S&W revolver[edit]

The article says that Goetz used a S&W model 37 air weight revolver and gives two sources this, both saying a S&W 5 shot .38 special air weight revolver was used. To assume that it is the normal air weight model 37 was a safe move, but ultimately incorrect. Many sources include one key descriptor; the revolver had a hammer shroud. This would then make the revolver a S&W Model 38, the air weight version of the model 49 which is the hammer shrouded version of the model 36 (the model 37 being just an air weight version of the model 36). Here are my two sources: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1985-04-04/news/0290030045_1_goetz-ditchfield-buy-a-gun http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/17/lkl.01.html Also, I do remember reading somewhere that the gun was nickel plated, but could not find the article I read that in. If anyone finds it, it shall help. glm.moulton 14:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

The gun was a nickel plated S&W 5 shot .38 special air weight with a hammer shroud. I don't know the model number. BTW, my recommendation for concealed carry or home protection is this model in plain black with the first shot being a standard load. 172.129.16.43 (talk) 14:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)Bernie Goetz

Condense paragraph on recent marijuana arrest?[edit]

If nobody objects in a few weeks I'm going to condense the detailed paragraph about the recent marijuana arrest, while keeping the sources for those interested in more details. 72.69.11.171 (talk) 14:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)BG

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Bernhard Goetz. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

N Archived sources still need to be checked

Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 23:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC)



 What happened to Cabey?