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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 22, 2008.

Great start![edit]

Good job, Peregrine Fisher, and good idea, Another Believer. I just want to add my support for the idea of an overarching article like this, rather than a separate article for each ballot measure etc. This has worked well for other issues, such as Domestic partnership in Oregon, Oregon Death with Dignity Act, and Oregon tax revolt. I'll set about making some redirects from the individual ballot measure pages. -Pete (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you guys sure work fast! A great start, indeed. I see that we have the two obvious sections of decriminalization and the medical marijuana program. I look forward to seeing these expand with more historical context, etc. Thanks! Another Believer (talk) 01:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Cannabis Tax Act 2010[edit]

Information about the 2010 Cannabis Tax Act can be found at the following link: http://www.cannabistaxact.org. Perhaps it deserves its own section, or at least a "future legislative proposals" section? This would certainly be a first for the US: "reform marijuana laws by regulating and taxing adult sales; licensing the cultivation of the drug for sale in state-run package stores and adults-only businesses; allowing adults to grow their own and farmers to grow industrial hemp without license; and letting doctors prescribe untaxed cannabis to patients suffering from a variety of illnesses and injuries." Another Believer (talk) 01:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for adding info on the OCTA, but I'm not super comfortable using that site as a reliable source. Did you say the Oregonian covered the issue? I think NORML can also be considered reliable, have they discussed it? I was hoping google news would have something, but they don't. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps this one or this one? Another Believer (talk) 01:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Those look good to me. Summarize away.
I changed the marijuanalibrary.org ref to point to the web archive of the portland NORML site. The pages are exactly the same, but mjlib.com has a disclaimer saying they aren't part of PDXNORML, so I think this is better. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Do you think OCTA belongs in the Decriminalization section, or should a new section be created specifically for "Legalization history" or "Attempt at legalization", etc. Or even simply Oregon Cannabis Tax Act 2010? Another Believer (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Cannabis culture?[edit]

After seeing this cannabis culture article and this subculture article, I wonder if we may want to add a section for cannabis culture in Oregon. Clearly, one exists, otherwise the state would not have been the first to decriminalize marijuana and institute a medical cannabis program. Apart from HempStalk in Portland (and Hempfest in Seattle--though this is in Washington, I assume many Oregonians participate), are there any other large public events relating to cannabis? I've read Eugene is very liberal and 420-friendly. Or, are you aware of any shops, products or cannabis-related industries that thrive in the region? Another Believer (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

This says an Oregon company was at the forefront of hemp products. This mentions Eugene.
Here's a ref for future use. Another. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Fantastic! Let's see what others can come up with as well. While it doesn't give specifics about the business, this article mentions Loving Spoonful, a hemp food business in Eugene, and also talks about HempStalk. Another Believer (talk) 02:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Here's some articles that mention HempStalk, but I don't know if they're reliable. Maybe the Marijuana Policy Project is reliable, I don't know. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Perhaps a description of Vortex I and how it relates to cannabis culture would be more appropriate than simply listing it with a "see also" reference. It is hard to make the connection until you read the entire Vortex article and see the single line, "and to turn a blind eye toward behavior that had been widespread at the Woodstock Festival, like nudity and use of marijuana." Perhaps residents in the PNW region are familiar with the connection, but to outsiders it is not obvious. Another Believer (talk) 01:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed -- sorry, I kind of meant that as a placeholder to get back to soon, and got distracted. I'll try to write something more prosaic soon...wonder what I was smokin'! -Pete (talk) 01:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hah! Certainly NOT a problem. I just figured my perspective may be similar to others living outside of Oregon. It's a shame there isn't an article for Portland's HempStalk already that we could borrow information/writing from. Thanks again! Another Believer (talk) 01:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

1997/1998 referendum?[edit]

The last paragraph of decriminalization says

In 1997, the Oregon Legislature passed three laws recriminalizing cannabis. Activists collected enough signatures to force a referendum on the issue, despite the Democratic governor and Republican legislature opposing decriminalization. Voters overturned the new sanctions for possessing small amounts of cannabis by a margin of 2–1.

While this paragraph is properly cited and sourced, I can't figure out which ballot measure it's talking about. There were only four ballot measure in 1997 (List of Oregon ballot measures#1997—an amazingly low number), but none of them have anything to do with it, and all were legislative referrals. 1998's Measure 57 was a referendum Makes Possession Of Limited Amount Of Marijuana Class C Misdemeanor which would seem to be the one, but it failed 2 to 1 (371967–736968, or 33.54). What gives? —EncMstr (talk) 04:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it was a crappy ref to not elaborate (which I added). If you want you can remove it, or I'll look for more info tomorrow when I have time. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps the author, Eric Schlosser, didn't understand that it takes "yes" votes to make a measure pass? Though that's a strange fact to be overlooked.... —EncMstr (talk) 04:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. It does sound like the writer was confused about whether or not the referendum passed. However, EncMstr, it's pretty normal for a referendum to happen in the year following a legislative action, so that part makes sense. I'm sure the Oregonian covered this in 1997 and 1998 -- I'll check the archives. -Pete (talk) 05:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I suspect Schlosser mixed up the referendum up with the initiative that passed the Medical Marijuana Act. They were on the same ballot. (Of course, Medical Marijuana passed by only 55%, so he must have also confused failure with success ont the actual referendum.) -Pete (talk) 06:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I just called the Elections Division. A helpful lady named Nancy pointed out that the Online Voter Guide is online from that year -- I had forgotten they had them available from that far back. So, here is the measure: [1] -Pete (talk) 21:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
So, it looks like Schlosser and other media reports were correct, and I was off in left field. I find it interesting that the Voters' Guide did not explain that it was a referendum in any prominent way; there's no reference to the HB number, or anything like that. Mystifying that they would leave out significant background information like that. -Pete (talk) 22:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

We should put this up for Did You Know?[edit]

WP:DYK Any ideas on what the hook should be? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

...that Oregon was the first state to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana, in the early 1970s, only to re-criminalize it in the late 1990s?
-Pete (talk) 06:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
"...only to re-criminalize it in the late 1990s" -- Does this imply that marijuana is currently criminalized? The article reads as if a law were passed, but then overturned by voters. The above DYK could make an uninformed reader assume MJ is currently criminalized in Oregon. Just my thoughts, though I hope I am not misreading the article. Another Believer (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
See the discussion above -- author Eric Schlosser was apparently confused. I just corrected the article. The one thing I'm still not sure of, though, is whether the Leg. actually "recriminalized" it. The article I found said that bill made possession a "class C misdemeanor" -- and misdemeanor isn't a crime, is it? Maybe we can get a law student over here...... -Pete (talk) 17:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is a bit confusing. If maijuana is in fact criminalized in Oregon, I know of several other cannabis-related article that need to be corrected, because they seem to indicate that cannabis is currently decriminalized in the state. Another Believer (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I think Schlosser was right. I think this is the 2-1 voter rejection of recriminalization. And here's a rolling stone article on it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I am confused about the nature of a referendum in Oregon. EncMstr, you seem to understand this, can you clarify? A referendum results when the legislature passes a law, and the public votes it up or down. But if every ballot measure is "yes for change, no for status quo," what does this mean for a referendum? Is the "status quo" what existed before the legislative action, or what the legislative action implemented?? -Pete (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I thought that a referendum "yes" vote is in favor of the referendum, which would undo the law change. I've scoured the SoS website and so far learned only that it has a lot of broken links. —EncMstr (talk) 19:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

(redent)I'm getting the feeling that a referendum can be a yes or a no vote, it just depends on how its worded. Here's a copy of an Oregonian article that calls Measure 57 a referendum. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

It's up for DYK. Template talk:Did you know#Articles created.2Fexpanded on December 16 - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Since it was requested, yes, a misdemeanor is a crime. Driving 66 in a 65 is a crime (doubt anyone will get ticketed though). Think of it this way, if you could go to jail, its a crime. And if you don't pay the fine for citations and low level misdemeanors, then you could go to jail (again, unlikely due to jail overcrowding). Aboutmovies (talk) 10:31, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Is about.com a reliable source?[edit]

This would be a good ref if it is. The author has written a bunch of books (about teen parenting, unfortunately). This reliable sources/notcieboard seems to say we should use our best judement. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Images[edit]

Would http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marijuana.jpg be a fitting image for the article, or is something more Oregon-related more appropriate? I think images always make an article look nicer, so I wanted to see if any one had other ideas for images. Another Believer (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

That looks good. There's lots more here. I couldn't find one that was Oregon specific. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
File:Acapulco-gold.jpg is apparently in Oregon, though for all we know it was taken in Florida. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

How about we go for GA[edit]

What do you think? It's not FA, but I bet with some tweaking we can make GA. Ref that may be useful. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Another possible ref - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hempstalk images[edit]

I put one in there, but there are a number of more free images of Hempstalk here. I was going to upload more of them, but commons is causing me problems right now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Question about the requested photo[edit]

Very excellent work, you guys. I'm still surprised it grew from nothing into what it is now in such a short time.

The WP:ORE template at the top of this talk page says, "A photo is requested to improve this Southern Oregon-area based article." Could someone please explain this? I wonder if this Southern Oregonian could help.—Athelwulf | talk | 20:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Pete added that, but from his edit summary comment (reqphoto in, um, I suppose Southern Oregon), wasn't too sure of the region. I suppose it's meant that someone go hiking in a grow operation and take some detailed photos, then come back alive and upload them. —EncMstr (talk) 20:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it was me, and that was before there were any photos…I'm pretty sure southern Oregon is one of the biggest pot-producing regions in the U.S., though it would be nice to find a source for that. And as EncMstr alludes, I most certainly would not recommend that anyone who values their life go traipsing about the forest in search of large-scale grow operations! ;) Thanks for the offer, though. Are you aware of this category of needed photos? Based on EncMstr's excellent work. -Pete (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Ahhh, Butte Falls. Tiny-ass town, blink and you'll miss it, with a restaurant that makes very yummy milkshakes. My grandpa, mom, and I would always go through there on our way to Casey Park to fish when I was a wee lad. Oh, but I digress. Thanks for the link. A lot of the contents would require me to travel, but it's still useful to know about.
As for southern Oregon being Pot Country USA, I've never heard that before. I'm not in tune with the local drug culture, so I suppose it's possible. I always figured Humboldt County was a more likely candidate, judging by its reputation. Or surely Siskiyou County, the home of Weed! Oh, but for what it's worth, I do know that Klamath Falls is called the "Shining Crystal Capital of the North" or something.—Athelwulf [T]/[C] 09:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Portland Hempstalk[edit]

Any feedback as to whether a separate article could/should be created specifically for the Hempstalk festival in Portland, similar to the Seattle Hempfest article? Of course, Hempstalk is mentioned in the "Cannabis culture in Oregon" section, but I wonder if it could be further expanded into its own article. Any feedback on the subject? Sources could include this (which is used in the "Cannabis in Oregon" article), this, this, this (if considered a reliable source), and here is the link to the annual event's official site. For future reference, here is another source for anything pot-related in Portland/Oregon. Another Believer (talk) 02:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not against it. It looks like you have enough sources for a nice little article, if not the greatest article ever. The one thing against it I might say, is that this article could use more on Hempstalk, and maybe a little less on Seattle's festival. This may just be the Blazers fan in me, I used to hate the Sonics when they were in Seattle, so maybe it's just rubbing off. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 08:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Hopefully much more to come later, but I've started the article: Portland Hempstalk Festival. Feel free to add any additional information you come across, or assist with organization (I'm never quite sure how to best organize articles). Thanks! Another Believer (talk) 05:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

House Bill 3247 - Bill proposing that OR grow, sell pot to medical users[edit]

Not that every possible piece of legislation needs to be addressed (since nothing has gone into effect), but we should definitely keep an eye on this (House Bill 3247). It is in the news a lot lately. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I saw that. I'm not sure when a bill becomes significant, but I don't think it's happened yet, because it will be national news if it gets anywhere close to law. Is the bill actually going to be voted on, I wonder? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs)
Not sure. According to this article, "Likely, the proposal won't go anywhere, but it will get an airing in committee". For the record, this article calls the proposed legislation House Bill 3274, not 3247. We'll have to see if Obama's stance on medical marijuana raids will prompt Oregon's cannabis activists so seize this opportunity for advancement. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Drug policy of California[edit]

This may not interest members of WikiProject Oregon, but to any users simply interested in drug policy, especially of neighboring states, you may be interested in working on the Drug policy of California article (it needs help!). Just pointing it out in case someone is interested. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

May 2009 as "Medical Marijuana Awareness Month"[edit]

Not sure if this should be included or not, but Sam Adams has declared May 2009 as Medical Marijuana Awareness Month. --Another Believer (Talk) 02:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It's borderline on importance, but I say add it if you want. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Industrial hemp[edit]

According to this article, the Oregon Senate voted 27-2 to approve a bill that clears the way for hemp to be grown and processed "if and when the federal government gives growers a green light". Senate Bill 676 still must pass in the House, sponsor Floyd Prozanski is convinced it will pass. Should this pass, we should definitely include this in the article. --Another Believer (Talk) 17:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Oregon will become the 7th state to allow hemp. --Another Believer (Talk) 00:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
That will be good info. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
More information. Also, according to the most recent episode of Cannabis Common Sense (filmed in Portland), Oregon NORML is filing two new initiatives: the Oregon Cannabis Tax Act 2010 and the Oregon Cannabis Tolerance Act. Both would legalize the sale of marijuana to adults through the Oregon Cannabis Commission (as opposed to the OLCC, as previously suggested), while one goes into further detail about regulating industrial hemp. Once ballot titles are issued, the group will conduct polls to determine which ballot measure they will pursue based on public approval. Not in the news yet, but definitely something to watch out for. --Another Believer (Talk) 00:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully we can beat Cali to the punch. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
This source cites that Kulongoski signed the hemp bill on Tuesday, and will take effect on January 1. We'll have to wait and see how the OCTA campaign plays out. --Another Believer (Talk) 00:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Usage statistics[edit]

In case more up-to-date statistics are needed, this might help. --Another Believer (Talk) 16:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Cannabis Cafe[edit]

According to NORML, Portland's (and Oregon's) first cannabis cafe is scheduled to open November 13, 2009, and will be available to members both of the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program and NORML. See the link for more info. Quite interesting! --Another Believer (Talk) 04:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Nov 13 is my birthday. Pure coincidence, as far as I know. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Haha. More info: Salem-News, Willamette Week (same as NORML blog entry), KPTV, KATU (picture), The Oregonian, Reuters. I'm sure there will be more to come. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
FWIW, this source says that another cafe opened first (Highway 420 on October 1). tedder (talk) 04:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Legality section expanded[edit]

If anybody would care to go through the Legality section I just expanded and point out where citations are needed, I would be happy to put them in. I have plenty of sources for the info, I'm just not very keen on where or where not to cite. Sylvanmonk (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The details on the specific amounts might be a bit much given the only source is the legal code itself, and the medical paragraph definitely needs a reference or two. Maybe trim the specifics there a bit too. Nice additions, nonetheless. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 13:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Wow that was...a shockingly fast response...how did you find, read, and respond to the changes in the article so quickly??? Well, nevermind that. If you're that fast take a look at some of these sources and see if you have an opinion about what to put in as references.

Also, if you're a Wikipedia pro, feel free to hack out any fluff from my update. I did feel sort of an urge to be specific on some things, since we are talking about a specific jurisdiction (Oregon), and there has been some discussion about the legal status being unclear (check under the section "We should put this up for Did You Know?"). I myself thought possession of small amounts of marijuana in this state was a criminal offense until just recently. Finding out otherwise prompted me to do some research about it. Learned so much I thought I'd share it with everyone. Peace Sylvanmonk (talk) 13:33, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/newbies - I'd say the strongest refs are the State Bar and the Tax Act ones. The others are state documents and could be considered primary sources (and not very layperson friendly, too boot). See WP:PRIMARY if you don't know what I mean by primary sources. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 13:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

As it stands, this article features 5 images. 2 are general images of pot, which as nice as they are, aren't very specific to Cannabis in Oregon. The Hempstalk image is a good one that's relevant to Oregon. Then there's two legality maps, one of the US and one of the world, which again, I don't see as necessary or relevant to the article about Oregon. Sylvanmonk (talk) 13:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I added the legality maps to provide national and world context about how common or rare decriminalization is. It is interesting that most of the states which permit medical use and have decriminalized cannabis are physically close to each other. Here I think a picture is worth quite a bit more than a thousand words.
If you have ideas for more Oregon-centric photos for this article, by all means add or suggest them. I consider the current photos as placeholders for something better, but maybe there is no improving them. —EncMstr (talk) 18:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

for expansion: Oregon has a federally-licensed and supplied user[edit]

See http://www.katu.com/news/local/130709568.htmlEncMstr (talk) 00:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

It is interesting that they are giving their patients Mj with only 3% thc. Im sure theres other stuff in it and it could be that old folks cant keep up with us young folk and our 15%+thc PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 09:11, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Initiative Petition 53[edit]


Another Believer (Talk) 15:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Legalisation[edit]

Looks like Oregon passed their ballot measure and it is legal now. This article will need some significant updates to reflect. 162.17.205.153 (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

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== Conflicting Dates: Which to use?"

"Prohibition

In the early 20th century, amidst a nationwide trend of cannabis prohibition, Oregon outlawed the drug in 1923.[28]"

Also

"Cannabis was completely legal in Oregon until 1935, when the state passed the Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act. The legislative record contains no mention of those substances causing any problems, but they were simply included as part of the package.[1] "

Just thought I'd point that out... 2601:1C1:8002:CF5B:0:0:0:F560 (talk) 04:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Governor Tom McCall image[edit]

Resolved

I don't know anything about Wikipedia editing or what goes into it, but there seems to be a clear problem with the display of the image of what the label says is supposed to show Oregon Governor Tom McCall. In the "Decriminalization" section. I have no idea why this is or how to fix it and it may even be something just on my end but it seems to be some kind of problem to do with code.

Thanks for the heads up. I've fixed the template's markup. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:01, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

inconisitency[edit]

This article state that Oregon made marijuana illegal in 1923 under the prohibition header but further up under the Legality header it states that marijuana was completely legal in Oregon until 1935. 68.181.156.169 (talk) 06:01, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

This has not been addressed, but I will. It appears that Oregon made marijuana illegal in 1923 and then passed the Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act in 1935. Wilkyisdashiznit (talk) 23:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)