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A note to Wikipedia Admins

Gentlemen (& Ladies): in this article there are contradicting Wikipedia policies.

First, one of you inserted the "bias" tag. Namely:

"This article has been nominated to be checked for its neutrality."

Obviously, this article (as of Jan. 2, 2007) is heavily biased in favor of an ill-fated, infamous president who ruled Venezuela during a period marked by abundance, but also by runaway corruption, erroneous policies, gross ineptitude, public funds mismanagement, populism, scandals and blunders on the part of politicians in office, human rights violations, and the rest of the full spectrum of typical vices that have plaged Venezuela (and most of other Latin American countries) for too many years.

But then, after looking at the intimidating warning posted above in this very Talk Page, many an editor, despite potentially having much information to add to this article, will be easily discouraged:

"Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous."

and calling ill-fated, corrupt and populist is not biased?

Obviously you are not an Administrator, otherwise you would have the good manners to sign your post. Nonetheless, the answer is no, it is not biased. It is just fact. I know, because I live in Venezuela. Do you? --AVM 19:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do (althought I am not the one to whom that question was directed to). And I think your view is very biased. So there you have it. BTW, living or not has nothing to do with how biased one's statements are. IMO the acurrent clown is worse than the one this article addresses.Anagnorisis 03: 09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It would all be a little more understandable, especially looking at what happens now in January 2019, if one could mention what I read elsewhere, that Pérez had conducted the 1988 election campaign with the promises that he/they'd reject the Washington Consensus list of guidelines and reject IMF interference or loans. Of course he did the opposite as soon as he/they got in and this deception may not be forgotten. It also shows that elections are not a panacea and electing a liar can have long term consequences. I was amused to read about funding election meddling in Nicaragua. Ally Hauptmann-Gurski (no specialist in any field) 2001:8003:AC60:1400:2C1D:360B:5406:F7C3 (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After Second term: misleading POV language

"went into exile in miami" implies that he was juidically (or otherwise) forced out of Venezuela, In fact, he left of his own accord. 67.142.172.26 (talk) 02:09, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

you guys should stop argueing and find better pictures.

Sources such as The New York Times [1] state that he went into exile. According to his obituatary in that source, he was facing extradition proceedings from Venezuela. --DizFreak ^{talk Contributions} 03:19, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he was asked to be extradited to Venezuela, he was not exiled but -probably- prosecuted. Which is not the same thing. Until new reliable info is at hand, I guess the best option is to keep "self-exiled". Salut, --IANVS (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, he was prosecuted since 20 December 2001, and asked in extradition since 3 february 2002. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 03:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, That would seem prudent, as exile is defined as "the state of being barred from one's native country, typically for political or punitive reasons" to quote the OAD. As an example, While it might be accurate to describe Roman Polanski as "Self-Exiled" in France as he might face extradition to the US elsewhere, It would be highly inaccurate do describe Polanski as living "in exile" from the US.

Perhaps It would be best -for NPOV purposes-to mention the charges Pérez would have faced if he chose to remain in Venezuela. 67.142.172.27 (talk) 07:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! with a little time, patience, and editing finesse, this section has become more informative, more accurate, and much more neutral. 67.142.172.25 (talk) 05:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marital Situation

We need some sort of citation or proof that CAP never divorced or remarried. The AP notes that the issue is disputed: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/world/americas/30venez.html?scp=1&sq=perez&st=cse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.89.53.130 (talk) 06:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links

There are some dead links in the references

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Carlos Andrés Pérez/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The latter part of the "Political life" section reads as if it is written from a very biased (pro Perez). eg. "This accusation was another political conspiration of his ennemies."

No refrences or evidence provided.

Additionally, the last paragraph contains poor use of tense.

Last edited at 03:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 10:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Historical exchange rate and value of 250 million 1993 bolívars?

On 2019-06-24 the opening paragraph of this article ended by saying, "In May 1993 he became the first Venezuelan president to be forced out of the office by the Supreme Court, for the embezzlement of 250 million bolívars belonging to a presidential discretionary fund."

QUESTION: What was the value in US dollars of 250 million 1993 bolívars?

I found es:Anexo:Cotización histórica del bolívar con respecto al dólar, which gave the exchange rate from January to December of 1993 as follows:

81,18 82,58 84,62 85,98 87,60 89,90 92,16 94,95 97,78 100,4 103,2 106,2

This is a Spanish-language article, and "," in this context, I think, translates as a decimal point.

Accordingly, I plan to change this phrase to read "250 million bolívars (roughly 2.7 million US dollars)<ref>Per [[es:Anexo:Cotización histórica del bolívar con respecto al dólar]], 1983 began with an exchange rate of roughly 81 bolívars to a US dollar and ended at roughly 107 to the US dollar. Thus, 250 million bolívars would have been worth roughly 3.1 million dollars on January 1 and 2.3 million on December 31, averaging roughly 2.7 million.</ref>"

If you think otherwise, please advise. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 04:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Torture

An edit in this article is mentioned here: Talk:Torture_in_Venezuela#Category_of_Victims_of_Torture. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]