Talk:Katherine Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk

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  • Catherine's descendants.No mention is made of her descendants to the present day.Wasn't Princess Diana related to the Bertie family?--jeanne (talk) 06:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also how is the 35 years difference in their ages relevant in their capacity to produce children? Catherine was 14 and obviously had reached puberty; a man is capable of fathering children well into old age, so why the statement about their age gap?Needs to be phrased differently.--jeanne (talk) 06:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see no reason why a section should not be added on Catherine's children. This is frequently done in articles on peers and peeresses, but the includion of remoter descendants is to be discouraged. If you think it is poorly phrased, you can change it. If the rest of us do not like it we can change it back! Peterkingiron (talk) 22:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't wish to provoke an edit war but this is one Katherine whose name should be spelled with a K and not a C. I have never seen her name anywhere spelled with a C. I have always automatically typed in her name with a K when doing a search for her on the Web.jeanne (talk) 16:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are three books (that I know of) on Catherine Willoughby. Two are: A Woman of the Tudor Age. A biography of Catherine Willoughby, afterwards Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk by Cecilie Goff and Catherine Brandon My Lady Suffolk,: A portrait of Catherine Willoughby, Duchess of Suffolk by Evelyn Read where her name is spelt with a C, the other, newer, book uses a K. Her Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article is under 'Katherine Bertie'. Catherine was never spelt with a C in sixteenth-century England. I don't know if she has a surviving signature but it is likely to have been Kateryn or Katharine. I think Katherine is a modernised speling that is closer to how she would have spelt it. However, as she probably didn't spell it the same every time - Kateryn/Katheryn Parr and Catalina/Katharine of Aragon didn't - I don't think we can say that one is the 'right' spelling. All in all, I vote for a move to 'Katherine Willoughby, Duchess of Suffolk'. I think on this page we could probably avoid the Wikiwar this caused on Catherine/Katherine of Aragon's page, which is a waste of time and energy. Good work on the Anne Parr article by the way, Jeanne!Boleyn (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that we follow Oxford Dictionary of National Biogrpahy to 'K'. ODNB is a recent thoroughly researched work, unless some one can provide contemporary references. In the case of Katherine of Aragon, the spelling may have depended on whether the language used was English or Spanish. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the designation of the "C" spelling for Katherine originated in the 19th century when most Katherines were spelled Catherine so authors arbitrarily changed historical personages named Katherine (which was the correct medieval/16TH century spelling) to the contemporary 19th century version. I have a lot of Catherines in my family and in 19th century Ireland the C was always used although, nicknames such as Kate or Kitty began with a K. But then, that is in keeping with the Irish Gaelic version of the name which is Catriona. I personally prefer the K; it was originally a Greek name (Katharos) so the K spelling is, in fact more accurate historically. The Oxford Dictionary does support the K use. I vote to move the C to a K.jeanne (talk) 05:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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