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Can someone who actually knows how to write please edit this page? It's so bad that I don't even wanna bother.
I think the second paragraph is a machine translation. Pitiful entry. << so fix it dear Liza dear Liza dear Liza
Financing Saute ma ville
The article's phrasing: "She partially subsidized Saute ma ville by selling shares on the Antwerp diamond exchange, procuring its remaining budget through her clerical work", is unclear. It makes it sound as if she owned securities, and sold some of them to raise money for the film.
What the cited Criterion source actually says is, "[she] worked selling diamond shares on the Antwerp stock exchange to raise money to make Saute ma ville." That makes it sound like she was a broker, or more likely, since she was an 18-year-old drop-out, some kind of clerk for a broker.
The only other source I've found for this is: Smith, Dinitia (26 April 1998). "Chantal Akerman and the Point of Point of View". The New York Times. Smith writes, "To finance her first film she sold shares for $3 each on the Antwerp diamond exchange, raising $300." That doesn't quite mesh with Criterion, it implies that she sold shares of the short film.
Discussion about categories
I used a case in this article to ask a general question at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women#Identity_rights_versus_community_rights. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Citation number 18 links to Paradisefilms.be, but all the links on the site itself are broken. Does anyone know of another good source to confirm the English title of Toute Une Nuit? Jlcolbert (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Jlcolbert: I'm sure there are more scholarly sources, but for now I've repaired the dead link. The Internet Archive Wayback Machine is your friend. See Wikipedia:Link rot for more options. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Irrelevant categories: 'Belgian film editors', Belgian cinematographers and Belgian women cinematographers
Hello to all,
there seems to be an inflation of categories linked to this article (24 at the time of writing!), some of which, in my opinion, are clearly irrelevant to Chantal Akerman. That's why I removed "Belgian film editors" on the 3rd of April 2016, only to be reverted by Icarus of old the day after. I did some more research and wrote a very friendly and detailed explanation on the Icarus' talk page. A short summary would be: Akerman only edited two short films right at the beginning of her career: La chambre (1972), and Le 15/8 (1973) – which are films she directed or co-directed. That does not make her someone you would expect to find (or want to find) in a category called "Belgian film editors". I stated similar doubts about the relevance of the categories Belgian cinematographers and Belgian women cinematographers, but left that for others to research and decide.
I received no answer from Icarus, so I removed the category again on 23rd of April. But on the 11th of May, he re-inserted the category here and deleted my whole post on his talk page, commenting (irony alert): "it's one f*cking category; some people need more SUBSTANTIAL projects on Wikipedia, like actually creating articles".
Now, I may be a newcomer in these parts, having worked mainly on the german Wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure such behavior is considered inappropriate anywhere in the WP. I don't want to dwell on that though.
All I'm looking for is some reasonable and friendly discourse on whether it is useful to put people in categories for which they would not meet the relevance criteria, if that had been their only artistic achievement. That seems to me to defeat the purpose of a category, which should be to find people who significantly contributed to that group. And it dilutes the importance of other categories, that are very relevant to that person. I've seen the confusion that can lead to on Wikidata, were people suddenly are called actors in their short description, because of one or two appearances in tiny roles, and their main line of work doesn't get mentioned!
My suggestion for Chantal Akerman is: There is a filmography-table in this article, with a space for "Notes" next to each film. So the fact that she also edited the two short films, or did some camera work on other films, can be inserted there. But I would only keep the categories of significant relevance for Akerman, which would still be plenty! With kind regards from--Sprachraum (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support removal of Ackerman from Category: Belgian film editors, Category: Belgian cinematographers, and Category: Belgian women cinematographers. The point is not whether she ever edited a film, but whether being a film editor was a defining characteristic - a profession that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having; the reason she is notable. Reliable sources consistently define her as a director or a film-maker. Wikipedia's editing guidelines on the matter are WP:CATDEF and WP:COPDEF. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)