Talk:Characters of Chrono Cross

Glenn and Guile ¿Not related with Chrono Trigger?

I think that noone can say that Guile is not related with Magus and Glenn is not related with Frog. "Guile's japanese name is Alf, shortened most likely for Magus's cat,Alfador" extracted from a Forum. Why the designers decided made characters that can be very similar to Chrono Trigger's Glenn or Magus? I don't think that the designers wanted confuse the gamers; Obviously Chrono Cross Glenn is related with Chrono Trigger's Glenn, but noone know in what form or sense, We have to wait another Chrono game to know a little bit about the relationship between Guile and Magus, and Glenn and Glenn. What do you think?

Actually I don't think the Glenns are related... at first I wondered, but looking at their personalities, I'd say they are two different characters with the same name... I wonder if they were different in the Japanese and a poor translation made them the same. 4.225.230.167 04:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Guile was supposed to be Magus, but because there were so many characters in the game they had to cut it out because it would have been too hard to introduce him to all of the characters. Also note that in Radical Dreamers Magus' gave himself the name Magil, and the "gil" is pronounced like "Guile." As for Glenn and Frog, I don't think there are any blood relations, but I do think that the Masamune and Einlanzer stories somehow relate them.

Image frames

Some images have a little frame around them, with a little caption. Other images don't. Shouldn't be better if all followed the same style?

Repeated sections

Why are there repeated sections here and in Chrono Cross? -- ReyBrujo 22:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Doc

I don't know how to edit it, but Doc's initiate color is BLUE not WHITE. Someone want to change this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.63.95.20 (talk • contribs) .

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I've had a thorough look and Doc was right to begin with. He is innate white. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.130.170.128 (talk • contribs) .

In my game, Doc's innate was red. The strategy guide says blue. Perhaps there's something weird here? hillthekhore

Im sorry to "defer" but in my game (as well as "tips and tricks" magazine september 2001 issue), doc's innate color is white, just like this article says.

Guile

If anyone's still checking this page, let me know what you think. The article claims that Guile has no double in the alternate world, but I'm not entirely convinced that's the case. Sneff, the magician from Home World recognizes Guile as a promising entrant in magic guild. Since Sneff is from Home World and Guile is from Another World, this would imply that Sneff knows of Guile's double. Taken from the complete game script: [1]

Sneff: This can't be...! Are you the rising star off the Magic Guild, Guile...!? What are you doing in a place like this!? Iff you're looking ffor work, I've got some great connections!

Guile: Hmph... I have no interest in simple hand tricks... I seek only enigma beyond human perception...

Ergo, (home world) Sneff knows of (alternate world) guile, so it seems likely that he's simply a character in both worlds.--BigCow 17:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like someone added some junk to the page, then... --Zeality 18:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Janice is not black innate

I once played chronocross before and i have finished the game at least 15 times. If my memory serves me right, janice (the rabbit girl) was a red-inate elemental charater. however, i request the one who wrote the section on janice to move it because i do not know how to move her picture as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carlo alvares (talk • contribs) 07:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Merging various articles

Oppose This page should only contain brief descriptions of all the playable characters. The major characters have more story development and a lot more information that should be mentioned, and including it all here would disrupt the balance in this page as you'd have a few big sections (seemingly randomly) interspersed between a lot of small ones. -- VederJuda 18:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge per the same arguments presented at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy#Character page clarify. Kariteh 19:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose There is enough information in each to warrant separate articles. 4.225.230.167 04:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

And you are? Kariteh 07:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Support—have these characters been in multiple games? Are sources available regarding how they were created and how they were received by the public or critics? Merchandise? If not, then all that information belongs in one area - this article. — Deckiller 07:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Serge, Kid and Lynx actually do appear in another game, Radical Dreamers (although they're alternate versions, not the same characters of the same continuity), but the information about that is very short and could easily fit in this article. In fact, the Serge and the Lynx sections already mention what there is to mention about Radical Dreamers. For sources on their creations and merchandise, there is a few information available (I've put two stub sections), and that information either encompasses all 4 main characters (Serge, Kid, Lynx, Harle) or all playable characters. So yeah the information would be definitely better presented here than repeated here and in the 4 separate articles. Kariteh 08:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Time period problems

This game takes place 20 years after the events of Chrono Cross (1999 AD). Glenn's description says he has been around since 1020 AD. Does that mean that he is 1000 years old at the start of CC? Funny, his bio says 20... Darth Zantetsuken (Grovel/Beg/Praise) 20:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

20 years after the events of Chrono Trigger, which primarily was set in 1000 A.D. Zeality 21:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Miguel and Dario

I'm pretty sure they should both be mentioned. Dario is just an optional boss but Miguel should have his own bio as he is part of the overall story and explains how the Dead Sea came about.

Yes, please add them. Kariteh 10:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I've added a section on Miguel --Chaosbladeuk 20:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)Chaosbladeuk

Discussion section

I never touched the article itself, I kept all my comments in the discussion section. I simply stated, with the game's plot as my source, that Janus and Schala were not genetically related for one, and second, that clues are left in Chrono Cross that Serge is actually Magus. It is not technically incest because for it to be incest they would have to be genetically related. Schala is Queen Zeal's daughter, but Janus was adopted. If you talk to all the characters in the first game you can see this and I really fail to see how my comment was vandalism. I never interfered with the article itself. I do not need to source something fans of this game can find out for themselves simply by playing the games which they can download from one of varios emulation sites. Play the game again; Chrono Trigger, within the game's storyline, it is explicitly stated that Janus and Schala are not at all related. No one really knows what happened to Magu's parents. Also, incest? Where on earth did that come from? At no point in either of the games were there ever ANY suggestive themes.

206.63.78.51 (talk)stardingo747 —Preceding comment was added at 22:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Reception section

This article could use a section on the critical reception to the characters. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Adding reception for the characters would be a very valuable addition. The only problem is actually finding refs to support the reception. The next addition for the WP:VG Newletter will talk about reception and finding refs. Maybe you guys should read that also.Gears Of War 19:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

May I send you here.Gears Of War 19:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Accents

I suggest that this article should mention the various "accents" employed by the PCs. Kouban (talk) 05:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

the picture doesn't show all the characters

The picture only shows 30 of the characters. Some are left out. Can we find a more complete picture to use? Dream Focus 12:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Accents, continued

I see a slight (admittedly nitpicky) problem with the sentence "A vast majority of the 45 characters in the game possess their own unique accents and speech patterns." From the rest of the text it appears that the accents are applied to characters only in English versions of the game, given that the localization team handled the algorithm themselves. Do characters have accents in the Japanese version? We may need to clarify this. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. I'm surprised, I've played and read about this game for so many years, but I don't think I've really thought about that much before. I'll look into it. Sergecross73 msg me 03:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Image captions

The names of the characters in the caption for the main photo are incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF2D:6680:7CCC:5CA8:F0C:761 (talk) 19:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Zoah was missing, which I added. Was there anything else? Sergecross73 msg me 22:36, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Merger objection

I strongly oppose the merging of this article. Is the WP:INU plot summary out of proportion? Yes...but when I wrote much of it 3 years ago, I wasn't aware of the proportions (I write very few fictional character articles), and since I've learned of it, I haven't quite figured out how to reconcile INU with the huge number of playable characters in the game.

Despite that though, when I revamped the article 3 years ago, I added a ton of development/creation content specifically in regards to the game's characters, along with a short reception section. All third party reliable sources about the subject.

So yeah - are the ratios for in-universe/out-universe wrong? Sure. But is there third party reliable source coverage on the subject of the game's characters? Absolutely. Definitely enough to warrant an article. Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

• Seconded. I too strongly oppose a merge, and have voiced my concerns at WT:SE. Deletionism gone mad. Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 11:40, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Looking at this article even after its expansion, I don't see the secondary sourcing that justifies a separate article. The characters as a set are not covered in any special detail apart from that of the game. (Am I missing something besides "RPGamer > Feature > RPGamer's Favourite Ladies"? Because the rest appears to be reviews.) And at the very, very, very least, the list of characters that have only primary source coverage is disproportionate—many entries should be much shorter or eliminated altogether to be proportionate to their coverage. More than half of the article is head-deep in-universe... The other option is to view this separate article as a summary style split from Chrono Cross#Characters, but that section doesn't even use a single ref. Pinging @PresN, who apparently did the merge in May. czar 07:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

PresN didn't really so much "merge" as much as he just blanked the article with a redirect, granted, potentially because I objected instantly. Regardless, I totally get it when you get one of your completely unsourced, 99% plot-summary character lists, and want to merge on the ground of INU. But this article has two rather large sections consisting of entirely out-of-universe content (Reception and dev/creation). At that point, INU, isn't a valid merger rationale - its a cleanup rationale. And it's still being worked on - I know the story stuff is still long, but I've trimmed it back since the May discussion, and have continued to expand the Reception and Dev sections. The size increase of the page itself is from the expansion of out of universe information, and additional sources being added. Sergecross73 msg me 12:36, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I made two separate points, though, (1) that I don't see the case for independent notability, i.e., where are the sources that treat the characters as a notable topic apart from the game, unless the article is summary style, with which I also noted the issues, and (2) if for whatever reason the article is not merged, then it would need that in-universe content cleanup. But those are two separate points. Not looking to cut work on this short—only commented because I saw it up for review at GAN and wanted to leave some preliminary comments and happened to find a discussion along the lines of what I already thought czar 00:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

(1) While the stand-alone sources are limited, (though there are some - the Kid source, the greatest charter switch source, etc) there's still significant coverage found in how frequently the large cast of characters is duscussed in reviews and retrospectives. (2) Revamps are on-going, but it's a long, difficult process, considering how convoluted the game is, coupled with how large the cast is. It's rather difficult to break down into short form without losing context/readability for general audiences who haven't played the game. Sergecross73 msg me 04:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Sources

Some notes for future reference:

Usable

• https://www.rpgamer.com/features/2015/ladies/page2.html - for Kid at least. Sergecross73 msg me 20:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
• http://www.rpgamer.com/games/chrono/ccross/ccross.html - Some of their old articles on the game are actually being extremely helpful in sourcing some things that I've known to be true, but hadn't had a good source for. Very helpful, and a WP:RS per consensus at WP:VG/S. Sergecross73 msg me 19:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Non-usable

• http://venturebeat.com/community/2012/01/25/chrono-cross-a-mess-of-unimpressive-gameplay-laughably-bad-storytelling/ - While VentureBeat is a reliable source, this literally says that its from a "community writer" - aka just a random person, and literally says that an editor did not look it over, so it cannot be used. Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

New retrospective

• http://kotaku.com/chrono-cross-was-a-bad-sequel-but-a-brilliant-game-1785831430 - Very detailed retrospective that is about half about the cast of characters. Very valuable in both sourcing details, and future hypothetical notability discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 16:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
• http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2016/09/30/graveyard-chrono-cross/219053/ - Another that discusses characters a lot. Sergecross73 msg me 21:21, 30 September 2016 (UTC)