Talk:Chesapeake (train)

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I think this article should be cut down to discuss the Washington–Philadelphia service only. I don't think there's anything noteworthy about the regular Northeast Corridor service with the same name, and discussing both (with nothing in common) in the article is confusing. Mackensen (talk) 00:24, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't cut it out entirely. I think a better style would be to have separate sections (and hopefully maps) for each different incarnation of the train. For an example where I went crazy on the historical infodump, check out the Clamdigger which similarly had two different incarnations over similar routes. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:19, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that the Northeast Corridor train isn't any different from any of the dozens that existed at any one time. If you look at the timetables from the 1970s Amtrak was adding and dropping names all the time and there's no indication that this "name" was anything special. It's already listed at List_of_Amtrak_routes#Northeast_Corridor, which is probably where the information in this article came from. The listings for the NEC are incomplete and gleaned from timetables (I know, I compiled it) and probably not suited to prose. There's really nothing special to say about it. The Clamdigger is an entirely different situation. Mackensen (talk) 05:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's understandable, but I don't think the article should overlook the fact that other incarnations of the Chesapeake existed. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 23:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's just my point--what is this article about? All trains named Chesapeake operated by Amtrak, or a train named Chesapeake operated by Amtrak between Washington and Philadelphia, which was funded by two states and operated as rush-hour commuter service? The current article seems to think the first option, and that there's some relation between the two (referring to a first and second "version"). There's not. This train wasn't extended to New York City. There's no Chesapeake in the October 30, 1983 timetable and even if there were the state-supported, local service disappeared and was replaced by wholly state-run services which didn't cover the same route (because of the still extant gap). This article should be about the long-defunct commuter service. That Amtrak, before and after, used the name for an entirely separate train pair on the Northeast Corridor doesn't strike me as relevant. These instances aren't incarnations of the same service, they're different usages of the same noun. The lead sentence of the article has it right: "Chesapeake was a daily passenger train operated by Amtrak along the Northeast Corridor between Washington, D.C. and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania." That's all the article should be about. We should have a hatnote at the top that says "For the unrelated regular service on the Northeast Corridor, see List of Amtrak routes#Northeast Corridor" or some such. The article as written is deeply misleading. End rant. Mackensen (talk) 04:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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