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Former good article nominee Christa McAuliffe was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
January 21, 2009 WikiProject peer review Reviewed
March 27, 2009 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

From the article[edit]

Challenger's take off had been postponed by NASA several times during the days prior to the tragedy because of different technical problems. Why did they go ahead with the project at that time? No one will know, but as a cause of their decision to go ahead, 7 lives were lost that day, many families suffered the loss of a loved one, the United States space program was changed forever and was suspended for 2 years, and the public will have an ever-lasting image of a very sad moment in American history.

This is hardly NPOV. --mav

It's also inaccurate. We DO know why the decision was made. There's the commission report on the subject and now several books which spell it out. The phrase "no one will ever know" makes the accident seem as if it were some random happenstance. This is not the case. Audin 04:17, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)


Editing to remove user 217.247.54.86's changes to User Audin's comments. Vary 18:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

'It is unknown whether or not Caroline also wants to go into space someday, perhaps aboard the space shuttle Endeavour, the orbiter that replaced Challenger in the fleet.'

I'm not certain this is from a NPOV; regardless, I do think it's a bit irrelevant. It's also unknown as to whether Caroline likes her coffee black, or with sugar. I'm a changin' it.

Yes, fix it. (Nevermind that the shuttle fleet will be retired by 2010, way too early for Caroline to become an astronaut in any case.) This article seems to attract well-meaning (but rather essay-like) contributions, probably from schoolchildren. Sweet, but not really encyclopedic. · Katefan0(scribble)/poll 22:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I removed this line from the movie section: "Perhaps, the families of Challenger may not go against the idea this time, because it would be more accurate, and Disney would pay them a lot of money if the movie were to become a big hit", as it is both speculative and inappropriate. trialsanderrors 18:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Article needs work[edit]

This article needs some serious work. I'd do it myself but the real world beckons.SteelyDave 08:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


Why was the section on her early life greatly condensed? I'd like to see it restored. User:CraniumBoy 15:44, 31 October 2006

Poor wording[edit]

In 2003, 17 years after McAuliffe died, her daughter witnessed the destruction of another space shuttle. As with Challenger, all seven astronauts aboard died. When she heard about this, she cried; this reminded her of her own mother's death back in 1986. Back in 1986, she was only 6, but in 2003, she was 23, thus making her an adult.

"she was 23 thus making her an adult" is poorly worded, and gives information that is obvious from reading it. User:Jacono 00:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Did she have kids?! I'm doing a science project and i need to know if she had kids!!!

Questionable Content[edit]

According to the article she took Big Bird's place on the Space Shuttle. "NASA had plans to shuttle puppeteer Carroll Spinney with the Challenger crew as his Sesame Street Big Bird, but when Carroll couldn't fit in the shuttle in the Big Bird suit" I don't know the subject well enough to feel comfortable editing it so I'll leave it to those who do.

I removed this as it was an anonymous edit from an IP address with 11 blocks for vandalism since that change was made in May. Ttwaring 00:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Women in Space[edit]

Shouldn't McAuliffe be removed from the category "Women in Space" since she never actually made it into space? ThreeBlindMice 23:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I concur, & came here with the same question. Now that I see you've posed it to no objection (for over a month), I'm going to remove her. --mordicai. 18:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, They did make it out of the earth's surface which caused the explosion but it did not kill them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.79.57 (talk) 03:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Arab Americans[edit]

I cannot find any information that would indicate that Christa McAuliffe belongs to the category "Arab Americans". If anybody knows of a reference for this can you please provide it? Thanks. ThreeBlindMice 23:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

She was in fact an Arab American. Here are some links that reference that fact. [1] [2] [3]

Thanks for providing the links. ThreeBlindMice 23:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Grace George Corrigan in her book says her father was Lebanese. She says he died young in an automobile accident while she was either a baby or a toddler. There is a raging debate among the Lebanese Christians about their "Arab" character. Some emphasize their Phoenician or even their Greek, Crusader, Roman, or Aramaic ancestry. On the other hand, they speak the Arabic language and have contributed mightily to Arabic literature and the formation of Arab consciousness. Some of the rejection of the Arab label may be a reaction to the Palestine Wars. The Syriac or Aramaic language which is used by the Maronite Church and some branches of the Eastern Orthodox church is cognate to Arabic. It is also the percusor to the Arabic and Hebrew as well as the Hindu scripts. Arab is a cultural concept. Just as English culture. A Jamaican or Pakistani is immersed in English culture but he is not genetically an 18th Century Englishman. A Lebanese or Egyptian is an Arab but not necessarily a genetic Hejaz Arabian. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 15:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism[edit]

This entry is almost entirely taken from [[4]]. It is copyrighted. Please fix the immediately before action is taken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.222.28 (talk) .

Both this article and the www.framingham.com text are taken from her NASA bio (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/Biographies/challenger.html). This text is under public domain, per standard NASA procedure. I have removed the tag. Check your histories more carefully, and remember to sign. Michaelbusch 06:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately no one appears to have specified that anywhere here or in the article before you. While there is obviously no legal reason when a public domain source is used, it's still a very good idea to specify sources to make it easier for editors to know where it came from 203.109.240.93 11:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Confusing[edit]

Sharon Christa Corrigan McAuliffe (September 2, 1948 – January 28, 1986), better known simply as Christa McAuliffe, and prior to her marriage, Christa Corrigan

This is a bit confusing. Was her maiden name really Christa Corrigan or was it Sharon Christa Corringan? The article currently suggests it was the former but I suspect it was the later (altho she still prefered her middle name) 203.109.240.93 11:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Teacher in Space Program[edit]

This article says Barbara Morgan will teach the same lessons intended for Christa in the 1986 mission. The Teacher in Space article says otherwise. Which is correct? 74.137.181.0 07:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Christa's Anscestry[edit]

Irish-Lebanese American. I made the following edit.

  • ... McAuliffe was the oldest of five children of Edward (deceased) and Grace George Corrigan. Her mother, born Grace George, is of Maronite Lebanese origin through her father and is a niece of historian Philip Hitti.[5]
  • the first time carelessly w/o the citation. Usually, when a cite is missing, a citation needed request is put in. But it was deleted. Fair enough I guess. I sourced the fact, then it was deleted again with the tag line that it was not relevant. Since when is bio info not relevant in a bio article. It is relevant to her bio that Christa is a quarter Lebanese American. Just as it is relevant to Guv Richardson's bio that he's part Native American, Sen George Mitchell that he's Irish-Lebanese or Barack Obama that he's American-Kenyan. So what now an edit wheel with someone with a revert button? Godspeed John Glenn! Will 22:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I left a message on his talk page as well as here and he has failed to respond. I have tried to avoid an edit war. I will now restore the edit. Below is the history.

    1. (cur) (last) 21:47, 9 July 2007 Valrith (Talk | contribs) (13,797 bytes) (rv - none of which is relevant to this article)
  1. (cur) (last) 20:47, 9 July 2007 Will314159 (Talk | contribs) (14,017 bytes) (Grace George wrote about all this in her book but here is further documentation in this otherwise as noted undocumented article)
  2. (cur) (last) 20:15, 9 July 2007 Valrith (Talk | contribs) (13,797 bytes) (rv - restore last version by Mika1h)
  3. (cur) (last) 01:58, 9 July 2007 Will314159 (Talk | contribs) (13,934 bytes) (→Early life - info about her mother, a nation of immigrants)
  • Godspeed John Glenn! Will 14:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I've "failed to respond"? You leave a message on my talk page and wait not even a day and think that qualifies as a failure to respond on my part? Sheesh. I reiterate: Her mother's birth name and who her uncle is are worthless trivia that will be scrapped. If you want to write an article on her mother, fine, but don't expect to include it in this one. Valrith 21:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

@ ValrithThat she's quarter Lebanese and a niece of a noted scholar is not trivia. her mother's birthname is corroboration in an article that offers few sources. I did wait nearly a day and started a discussion on the talk page, much more than you did. I didn't do a kneejerk revert. In these days after 9.11 and rampant ant-Arabism, it is very notable that an American hero is also an Arab American. You should look to your agenda before doing your knee jerk deletions based on conclusory taglines. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 00:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


Greetings - I tried to update categories to identify this subject as "Arab American" but received a message that this was edited out and "not constructive". There are numerous sources identifying Christa McAuliffe as an individual of Arab ancestry, including the Arab American Institute. [6]

For the sake of accuracy and simplicity, this article only lists the direct categories listed by the Corrigan reference on page 21 of "Corrigan, Grace George (2000), A Journal for Christa: Christa McAuliffe, Teacher in Space, Lincoln, NE: University of Nebraska Press, ISBN 0803264119"; accordingly, I think it is more accurate to keep the specific category "Lebanese Americans" rather than replace it with "Arab American". Thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 09:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Father[edit]

Is it necessary to mention that her father is deceased? I don't think I've seen that in other Wiki bios. I will remove that word. If you think it should be included, explain here. JBFrenchhorn (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Biography assessment rating comment[edit]

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Unconfirmed[edit]

I have removed the following information from the Legacy section. Some of it is too much trivia or may not be notable enough for an article concentrating on Christa McAuliffe and her life. The rest is unsourced and possibly unverifiable. --Jh12 (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

In the And Now A Word From Us Kids section in the PBS Kids TV series Arthur episode Locked In The Library, the kids in this section sing a song about heroes and heroines. They mention her along with "she went into space". She did not actually go into space due to the Challenger disaster.

The McAuliffe star system in the Wing Commander computer game series is named for her. The spaceship on the children's science-fiction series Space Cases, about a group of students lost in space, was called the "Christa". She is mentioned in the Dan Brown book Deception Point. There were many cartoons that honored McAuliffe. One such tribute is when cartoon characters, such as the Animaniacs, put up a statue of McAuliffe on display.

Many states honor teachers in Christa McAuliffe's name. Beginning one year after the explosion, the Nebraska McAuliffe Prize has honored a Nebraska teacher for courage and excellence in education. Winners receive a $1000 cash prize and a plaque featuring Christa McAuliffe's picture and a picture of a mural by Jeanne Reynal entitled, "The Blizzard of '88". This mural hangs in the north wing of the Nebraska state capitol building and depicts another courageous Nebraska teacher, Minnie Freeman, who led her students to safety during the "Schoolhouse Blizzard" of 1888.

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Christa McAuliffe/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I'd be happy to review this article for GAC. H1nkles (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Review Philosophy[edit]

When I do an article review I like to provide a Heading-by-Heading breakdown of suggestions for how to make the article better. It is done in good faith as a means to improve the article. It does not necessarily mean that the article is not GA quality, or that the issues listed are keeping it from GA approval. I also undertake minor grammatical and prose edits. After I finish this part of the review I will look at the over arching quality of the article in light of the GA criteria and make my determination as to the overall quality of the article.

GA Checklist[edit]

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Regarding Lead[edit]

This is fine, for an article of this length, two paragraphs is plenty. If in reading the article I run across something that should be in the lead I'll mention it. Photo is good, warnings tagged to the photo do not seem to apply to this photo but are general warnings posted to all photos uploaded from NASA. Would this be correct?

As far as I know that is correct. The warnings are part of template:PD-USGov-NASA. According to http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/copyright.html, photographs are not protected by copyright unless noted and I don't see any copyright claim on [7], [8], or [9]

Regarding Early life[edit]

  • Generally I frown on wikilinking dates and years. They don't really add to the article unless you are linking the date to a specific event such as September 11 (for example).
I removed the date link. --Jh12 (talk) 12:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Otherwise it is well-referenced. I'll check the references at the end of the article. H1nkles (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Career as an educator[edit]

  • You mention very briefly about her interest in space. Is there any more information on this? It seems from the article that her interest was something akin to the interest all children have in space. Is there anything in the record that would indicate she had a keen interest in space prior to her applying to the teacher in space program? H1nkles (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Based on the things I have read, it's hard to pinpoint a precise action that indicated a keen interest in space. She seemed to be the kind of person who wanted to push the boundaries and was fascinated in everything. And her interest in space was certainly part of that. I added a childhood quote from the Burgess & Corrigan book, but in many ways it does seem like the "inspiration" she got from space was similar to that of other children. Her Teacher in Space application may give a little more insight; she talks about the excitement at home and at school when the first satellites were launched, the inspiring words by John Kennedy to land someone on the Moon, and how when Sally Ride and other women began to train as astronauts, she saw "an ever-increasing list of opportunities" for her students. --Jh12 (talk) 06:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Teacher in space project and disaster[edit]

  • I think this section could be broken up and expanded. What was the selection criteria for the teacher in space program? What specifically did McAuliffe have that separated her from the other 11,000 applicants? What training did she go through in preparation for the trip? I have to step away now but I'll continue when I return. H1nkles (talk) 19:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • This is my suggestion: make two sections, one for the teacher in space program and another for the disaster/immediate aftermath. I don't think this impinges on a separate legacy section. You could add generic information about the program, what it was intended to do as well. I think that could be accomplished and still maintain summary style.
  • Are there any audio quotes or Youtube videos of interviews with her available?
  • I remember her as such a human figure, and so approachable (of course I was only 11 when all of this happened, but she is burned on our collective conscience as is the image of the space shuttle breaking apart).
  • The addition of the Morgan trip in 2007 provides a nice end cap to all of this and helps the tragedy to come full circle, well done.
  • Ticky tack note1-you have crew member as one word and as two in the same paragraph in this section, which one is it?
  • crewmember doesn't appear to be a word so I'll have to fix that. --Jh12 (talk) 13:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Ticky tack note2-I think "schoolchildren" is two words, could be wrong, but I think I'm right (BTW I was one of those kids sitting in class watching the whole thing happen, never forget it). H1nkles (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Another question I had was whether or not there was any criticism of the teacher in space project either before the disaster or afterwards? The article is very glowing, which is fine but we should attempt to flush out any issues that may be easy to overlook. Just want to maintain NPOV. H1nkles (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Legacy[edit]

  • I know that there must be a plethora of memorials and scholarships attributed to her. It might be good to mention a non-American school named after her, since you indicate that there are schools around the world named in her honor. This would go towards showing her international impact (that along with the Venus crater named after her by the USSR).
  • There is also a monument to the 7 astronauts of the Challenger mission at Arlington cemetary in Washington. It is in a prominent location near the Tomb of the unknown soldier. Being a civilian it is noteworthy, though perhaps not necessary since you have plenty of other material to work with.
  • It may be worth a mention, although to be honest I think it works better with the Challenger disaster and STS-51L pages because it's a more general Space Shuttle Challenger Memorial [12] as opposed to the more personal grave site in Concord. I uploaded the free images [13] [14], but I eventually pushed to get permission to upload [15] for that very reason. --Jh12 (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Quotes[edit]

  • I'm not sure how much this section adds to the article. It's touching and inspiring but I don't really see how it gives us a better picture of McAuliffe. I'll leave it up to you on keeping it or deleting it, I won't fail the article if you decide to keep it. H1nkles (talk) 20:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Notes[edit]

  • Links all check out.
  • Note 3 discusses the fact that NASA paid her salary while she was in training on her year of absence. Please reference that in the section that talks about her year of absence and mentions that NASA paid her salary.
  • Is note 20 a book? If so should it be in the References section along with the other books?
  • I was kind of reserving references for books I had used more extensively, for at least more than one reference. I based that concept partly on the article Edgar Allan Poe, although I may be totally off as I haven't read this anywhere. --Jh12 (talk) 16:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I usually put every book I use in references and then the author, date and page number go in the notes. I know you have to do that for any book referenced more than once since you could have different page numbers. If that book is referenced just that one time I'll leave it up to your discretion, if it's referenced more than once in the article then it should be moved down to the reference section and the author, date and page number left in the notes section. Does that make sense? H1nkles (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Is note 24 a travel guide/tour book? It looks like it is. These are generally not seen as credible sources. If it is a travel guide please consider finding a more credible source. There must be several for the information it cites.
  • Note 27 is ascribed to a "staff writer", probably not necessary to ascribe to an anonymous writer. H1nkles (talk) 20:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Overall Review[edit]

Having lived through this event it does have an effect on me to read the article. I commend you for addressing this biography in a humane way. Below are suggestions for making the article better. At this point I can't pass it on grounds of comprehensiveness, so I will put it on hold for a week and await your comments. If you disagree with my opinions please provide your argument here. I definitely respond favorably to cogent, well-reasoned responses.

  • Please consider my suggestions in the section on the teacher in space project and the disaster. I feel that more could be added here that would help to make the article more comprehensive yet not compromise summary style.
  • A few minor spelling issues.
  • A couple of issues with the Notes section. H1nkles (talk) 20:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • You're absolutely right about the comprehensiveness, and it's one of the biggest reasons I placed this article for a GA nom. My biggest problem has been trying to cover important points without going into excessive detail. I'll try to dig up my sources and address some of the issues, but I can understand if I'm unable to complete that work within the next few days and this first GA nom fails. There are definitely three important steps based on your comments, and I'm afraid it will probably take some time for me to complete them: 1. Expand the Teacher in Space section 2. Expand a separate Disaster and aftermath section 3. Criticism to be added into the appropriate places (outside the scope of my current sources) --Jh12 (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It's been about a week, how are things coming? I note a lot of work over the last week, do you need a bit more time or are you ready for further review? H1nkles (talk) 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Final thoughts[edit]

The article is coming together and is far better than the original. Here are some thoughts:

  • The Disaster and aftermath section is still pretty slim.
  • What caused the destruction of the Shuttle?
  • This was the first space disaster in history and it was broadcast live to millions of school children. The confluence of events, with NASA's big PR push and the Teacher in Space program and to have it end so tragically and so publically. I know this isn't an article on the disaster but I think more could be added to this particular article since she was the central figure.
  • Is there a citation that would describe the mood of the country immediately after the incident?
  • What impact did her death have on NASA? You mention they were in the midst of a time when they were looking for funding from anywhere, did this negatively impact the entire space program? Or did it have a positive impact?
  • For a generation of people it is their Kennedy assassination, they ask where were you when the Challenger exploded. This book gives a very brief explanation of how the shuttle malfunctioned and also puts her death into context, [16]. I think it may be a bit too summary in nature but it gives a little bit of info. Here's another book, [17] that may help answer some of these questions.

I'll give it two more days and then I have to make my final determination. It's been on hold for too long. Keep up the good work. H1nkles (talk) 17:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry at this point I haven't seen any work on the article in a week or so and I have to make the final determination. I have to fail it on comprehensive issues. Please address this and renominate it. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 14:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Died in Cape Canaveral, Florida?[edit]

She actually died over the Atlantic Ocean. I hate to quibble, but this contradicts possibly the most important aspect of the article: that she died in the Challenger disaster which happened on the way to space.Originalname37 (Talk?) 17:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

A more accurate location of death could even be "in the Atlantic Ocean." Given that the occupants of the crew cabin could have survived for some time after the orbiter disintegrated and before hitting the ocean, I don't know if giving a relative/theoretical position of death is better. I think saying Cape Canaveral has always implied that she died due to the seal malfunction near/over Cape Canaveral and it didn't contradict the flight. Britannica, for instance, says "off Cape Cape Canaveral, Florida" and I think it would be nice changing it to that. You bring up a quibble, but it's a good one. If you come across additional articles besides Britannica listing the location of death, please post again or make the correction; this is an instance where falling back on WP:VER is probably preferable. --Jh12 (talk) 20:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Honorariums?[edit]

Should schools and other things that are named for her be entered or would the list be to numerous? Despyria (talk) 05:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Sally Ride's picture[edit]

The picture of her floating sure looks like Sally Ride's. Please double-check! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.196.117 (talk) 07:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

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