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End of article--

What happened to the bottom? Seems to be cut off.... -plange 03:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

GA Result

There are 7 things that must pass before an article reaches GA status. I have reviewed it and the result is as follows:

  1. Well-written: Pass
  2. Factually accurate: Pass
  3. Broad: Pass
  4. Neutrally written: Pass
  5. Stable: Pass
  6. Well-referenced: Pass
  7. Images: Pass

Well done, the GA has passed successfully —Minun Spiderman 19:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Debut?

"He made his debut in Cry, The Beloved Country wearing extensive makeup for his role as a Black boy." I assume this is a joke, since the film was made several years before he was born. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.165.8.170 (talk) 05:37, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

The film yes, but the production of the play was not. The Filmaker 19:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Peer accolades

Two Debuts

"He made his debut in Cry, The Beloved Country wearing extensive makeup for his role as a black boy. While his disdain for the school grew, he made his film debut at the age of 14 in Sunday Bloody Sunday in which he played a vandal in an uncredited role. "

someone please clarify--Mongreilf (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears to have been corrected now. The second sentence was accurate. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Academy Award?

Why does it say he won his second Oscar when the award hadn't even been given as of the time of that edit? A little preemptive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.244.251 (talk) 04:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that myself... check if the IP address is owned by Price-Waterhouse-Coopers :) Anyway, they just officially announced it about 3 minutes ago. SqlPac (talk) 04:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca Miller

The article states that he met Rebecca Miller... and then she had his children. I'm assuming something happened in between? - Dudesleeper / Talk 10:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but all that was covered in Biology class in Junior High. SqlPac (talk) 04:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Sexual intercourse is the most likely "something" that happened. 64.230.40.32 (talk) 05:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Escape from Arkham

Is this spam? There is no such film slated for 2011 directed by Christopher Nolan.

--p4 (talk) 01:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)p4poetic--p4 (talk) 01:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

4 films in 10 years?

The opening paragraph claims he has starred in 4 movies in the last 10 years (with citation). However this is referring to the period of 1997 when he starred in The Boxer to 2007 when he starred in There Will Be Blood. However obviously this no longer translates into 4 movies in the last 10 years. It seems it should be 3 movies in the last 10 years (1998-2008) or 4 movies in the last 11 years (1997-2008). Could someone who better understands Wiki rules Edit this. I am sure this is not a misrepresentation of the citation. However I do not know what the standard is for this kind of statement that would have to be updated regularly. -Karma50 (talk) 07:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Royal Shakespeare Company section

Day-Lewis encountered several problems on tour, including a "disagreement" with Romeo's director, and an unpleasant experience with Ian McKellen.

This is vague and sounds gossipy. "Disagreement" in quotation marks, "unpleasant experience"... anyone care to elaborate? -- megA (talk) 12:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Kafka

Day-Lewis' played Franz Kafka in 'The Insurance Man,' written by Alan Bennett and directed by Richard Eyre. Why no mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.240.229 (talk) 18:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

"British actor with British-Irish citizenship"

Is there any way to re-write this to sound less awkward? Maybe "Daniel Day-Lewis is a British-Irish actor"? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 04:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


Daniel day Lewis has an Irish accent. Lives in New York & Ireland. Was Born In England to parents born in Ireland & England. Carries an Irish-American passport (He does NOT no longer carry an English passport). His faith is Jewish and he considers himself Catholic since he declared himself Catholic in the summer of 2006. Call him whatever you want or label him rather... Hes Irish. Parkinson is rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.134.211 (talk) 06:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC) English passport? No such thing...UK/British.....

I think the best way to write this would be, "English born actor with British-Irish citizenship" - He said less than an hour ago at the post Oscar Interviews that he came form the two cultures - England and Ireland.

He lives in Ireland and has declared himself an Irish Catholic. To call him a British actor is not accurate in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.71.158.19 (talk) 07:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What is "British-Irish Citizenship"? It should read "with British and Irish citizenship" or "Dual British and Irish citizenship". There is no such thing as a single "British-Irish" citizenship. 78.16.239.230 (talk) 13:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it should read "an Englsih born actor with British and Irish citizenship" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.71.158.89 (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello? While I find the article looks much better for the change, isn't just under twelve hours a little short to claim consensus has been reached??? TINYMARK 17:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, amazingly precise. The amount of space arguing about citizenship is equal to the whole content about the man. It is very simple, the standard is where you were born, period. You cannot be born and grow up in England and "be" Irish, born and grow up in America and "be" Italian. Worse both parents weren't even Irish. So basically like everyone else he's a mutt and all these nationalistic nonsense is just that. Clearly he wants to be Irish so who gives a crap. Really he's quite the pre-madonna anyway(which is why this is such an issue), so who cares. He's fast becoming the Tom Cruise of serious actors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tslate007 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The whole "British" thing sounds iffy to me. Normally an actor is described as being English, Scottish, Welsh etc. TINYMARK 15:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I actually think he was driven from London by media intrusion as his career began to take off. This is the man in his own words: 'If I really chose to look at myself, I'd say that probably the thing I'm least interested in about myself is the fact that I'm a middle-class Englishman. So therefore it doesn't really appeal to me the idea of exploring that experience. Probably since childhood, I think my curiosity was almost invariably fired by the mystery of lives I didn't understand. My first school in south-east London only took me a few miles from my comfortable life in Greenwich, but it took me to the frontline in south-east London.'

Now 49, Day-Lewis has been living in Ireland for 12 years, at a healthy distance from what he sneeringly calls 'the business.' http://www.timeout.com/film/news/997/daniel-day-lewis-q-a.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.108.54 (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It may sound a little awkward, but it is factually correct. And due to anomalous complexities not everything makes for a neat sentence. Guv2006 (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

An English actor with British citizenship - is the irony lost on you all ????

There is no English nationality. There is no English passport. There is no sovereign country called England. Please, planet earth, learn this simple truth. How can you call someone English and then declare him a British citizen? Whatever else he may be, if he is a British citizen, he is, duh, BRITISH !!!

Amazing thing, logic. Please employ and stop deleting helpful corrections through ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Screwbiedooo (talk • contribs) 12:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

His ethnicity is described first, then his two nationalities. Qwerta369 (talk) 12:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia biased view on nationality?

I have noticed many arguements on Wikipedia recently that concern nationality. Such as this one with Daniel Day Lewis. As an Irishman myself I find some of this to be complete nonsense. Daniel Day Lewis is English. He was born there. I don't understand how this has even gone so far as to say he is Irish. I believe that a compromise is needed and here is my solution. I believe that we should just say that Daniel Day Lewis is English, BUT we should also address his Irish roots. It is completely unfair to ignore his contributions to Ireland and say he has nothing to do with Ireland. Due to his Irish citizenship, his role as revoloutionary Irish characters in films( Christy Brown, Gerry Conlon etc. ) and the fact that he lives in Ireland and that his father was Irish. I believe their should be a new section set up simply explaining this. We should leave all these biased arguments out of Wikipedia and simply explain the facts. Wikipedia has been continually slated and critisized in the public and the media because of these biased views. For example if you take a look at Stephen Fry, he has openly critisized Wikipedia. Wikipedia's image has been destroyed due to these biased changes and view in its main pages and its time to stop it.User:Jamie Kelly


I think you're not seeing the basic issues at work regarding how anyone, especially persons who hail from or are citizens of Great Britain. There is often a difference between nationality, citizenship and heritage. I responded somewhere earlier when someone was complaining because a person's grandfather was Scottish and therefore, we should say he was Scottish-English. It even becomes more complicated when that person is also Jewish. Part of the problem stems from strong national roots inherent in people from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales and that becomes apparent when someone says "I'm an Irishman." The bottom line problem is that opinion is widely divided as to what someone is called, and that isn't from any bias on the part of "outsiders" from elsewhere. It's divided amongst British citizens. That is why, as a global community, Wikipedia has tried to develop guidelines on how to address this in MOS:BIO, which outlines how the opening paragraph should be written. What's pertinent here is "Nationality – 1. In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable." That it becomes messy is when someone like Day-Lewis is born in England and also becomes a citizen of Ireland, from where he has familial roots. What makes it even messier is when countries no longer require that someone renounce citizenship in one country to become a citizen in another, or when they hold dual citizenship from birth (Nicole Kidman comes to mind). There is already the differences of opinion on whether he should be called British or English, then it becomes more complicated with the new citizenship. Part of this was addressed by the clause in the guideline regarding "or was a citizen when the person became notable."
In this article, no one has attempted to deny the Irish heritage of Day-Lewis, nor has his citizenship or the place he lives been smoothed over. In no way has anyone written anything that says he has nothing to do with Ireland. The article starts out saying he is English, and also states clearly he is a citizen of both Great Britain and Ireland. It says his father is the Irish born Poet Laureate Cecil Day-Lewis, so his Irish roots are clearly acknowledged. It says his mother is Jewish. It says that he lives in homes in the U.S. and Ireland. All of what is written here is supposed to be supported by reliable sources and that makes it all the more difficult when the subject is as guarded about his private life as is Daniel Day-Lewis. I don't know when he started living permanently in Ireland, I know he holidayed there as a child. He took the role of Christy Brown prior to living in Ireland, moved there to research the role. He didn't move there permanently until 1993, when he became an Irish citizen and In the Name of the Father had already been filmed. New additions need reliable sources, which aren't available. I'm sorry you see any of this as evidence of any sort of bias on the part of Wikipedia. It's far more complicated than that, and as for whether or not any publication, online or printed, has its image destroyed because of criticism is a matter of opinion. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh now i understand. Indeed this seems to be a very "sticky" subject to deal with here. In my own view i always thought it would be better for Wikipedia to simply say a certain person was the nationality of the country in which he was born (Ireland-Irish,England-English Etc.) and to display heritage and cultural identity in a completely new section. Well thanks for the reply anyway.User:Jamie Kelly

No wonder Wikipedia entries are inadmissible as reference material for serious university courses. When certain "contributors" here stop claiming that Day-Lewis is Irish, and stop vandalising this entry and others with claims that everyone from Robert De Niro to Winston Churchill was also, then we might get somewhere. It has long been established that Day-Lewis is British, but that won't stop the Irish nationalists, it appears. Guv2006 (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Well Guv2006 as I said in one of the sections above it cuts both ways: on the James Joyce page it once said he was born in Dublin, Britain. As someone that has trawled through the British Parliamentary papers for the nineteenth century, read books by both Irish and British historians on the act of union etc I have never heard the use of the words, Dublin, Britain used that way. There are British nationalist on wikipedia also ha ha

His own words

I have no illusion about the fact that I`m an Englishman living in Ireland. Even though I do straddle both worlds and I`m very proud to be able to carry both passports. But I do know where I come from. I particularly miss south-east London - the front-lines of Deptford and Lewisham and New Cross and Daniel Day-Lewis Charlton - because that`s my patch. http://www.quotelucy.com/quotations/7357/184757-daniel-day-lewis-quote.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.13.131 (talk) 17:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I do have dual citizenship, but I think of England as my country. I miss London very much but I couldn`t live there because there came a time when I needed to be private and was forced to be public by the press. I couldn`t deal with it. http://www.quotelucy.com/quotations/7363/177763-daniel-day-lewis-quote.html

Face it he English born and bred and proud.109.154.13.131 (talk) 17:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

British or Irish?

Neither Daniel nor his Anglo-Irish father who came to England as a boy and became British Poet Laureate would be recognisably Irish. Daniel could equally well choose to be Jewish. Or English. Does it matter? To him, perhaps yes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bill Tegner (talk • contribs) 21:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

what rubbish jewish wtf is that, jewish is a religion, Daniels "Irish" dad happens to have a surname with nothing to do with Ireland what so ever he was Born in England hes English,his mothers English why does Dara's article say Irish he lives in England, Irish people on wikipedia get away with everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.15.109 (talk) 08:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

As an Irishman with a name that has nothing to do with Ireland I have to say I find the above statement amusing considering that there are people doing semantic cartwheels trying to prove that James Joyce, Bram Stoker, G.B Shaw, Oscar Wilde etc are not Irish the reasoning being that since Ireland was part of the Union when these people were born these people should only be referred to as British or weirdly seeming to suggest that Ireland didn't exist before 1922 or the idea of being Irish only exists in nationalist heads or whatever 'tis all very odd. Some wanted to remove the fact that U2 are an Irish band because Adam and The Edge were born in England and Wales respectively (even though Adam stated publicly that they are an Irish band. So, personally I find it a bit rich to be saying that the Irish mafia do this and the Irish on wikipedia do that Now I have heard Day Lewis describe himself at least part Irish but also as English so God knows!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.82.173 (talk) 21:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Even Sound Of Being Irish Affects Him Deeply

Daniel Day Lewis Says-

Just the sound of the west of Ireland in a person’s voice can affect me deeply.” In 1993, after spending much of his time there, Day-Lewis also obtained an Irish passport and now holds dual citizenship. “I dare say it was still considered to be an abandonment of England,” he remarked, as he neatly passed a quickly oncoming car. “A betrayal! A heresy! It is not expected that someone from my background will leave England. But I’ve committed so many heresies that there’s no sense in not making the final gesture.”

Source- http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/magazine/11daylewis-t2.html?pagewanted=all

He Holds Irish Citizenship As Well As An Irish Passport.So Daniel Day Lewis Is Irish-english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.197.57 (talk) 23:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Please read the discussion above--you're confusing 2 different issues. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

HE IS Irish Too

He Himself Took The Citizenship Of Ireland and He Is Irish Too So I Request Admin To Change His Nationality As Irish-english Which Is More Accurate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.192.225 (talk) 14:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

He is an Englishman with both British and Irish citizenship, which is explained and referenced in the article. His (Anglo-) Irish ancestry is mentioned in the "early life" section. — JonCॐ 14:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

He Should Be More Precisely Listed As Irish-english As He Is Both http://www.irishcentral.com/ent/Daniel-Day-Lewis-and-family-to-make-the-move-from-Ireland-to-US-50039717.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.192.225 (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

As I explained in my edit summary, WP:MOSBIO says we don't refer to any ethnicities in the opening sentence: "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." As an actor, his ethnicity is not relevant. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed the from the United Kingdom clause altogether. It adds nothing, is inaccurate from an Irish perspective, and continues to make this article a target of edit warring (which in fairness, should not be considered vandalism, since the IP editor is accurate about his English/Irish ethnicity if his father was Irish and his mother English.) The simplest and least controversial thing is to leave the ethnicity out per the MOS, leave the two passport business in, and get on with the explanations further down. It may be true that he was raised in England, but he has identified as Irish for much of his professional career, notably from the time he made In the Name of the Father onward. --Drmargi (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I've restored the stable version of the lead pending further discussion. In general, we refer to people from the UK as being from their individual home nation – e.g. Paul McCartney is English, Van Morrison Northern Irish, Sean Connery Scottish, Richard Burton Welsh, etc., and this article is no exception. Day-Lewis is an Englishman (of Irish ancestry – as is Paul McCartney, whilst Van Morrison is Scots) with citizenship of both the UK and Republic of Ireland, so as far as I can see there's nothing wrong with it as it stands. His Irish ancestry is mentioned in the "early life" paragraph – as Qwyrxian says, ethnicity shouldn't be emphasised in the lead. — JonCॐ 18:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
For what it's worth, he also self-identifies as English: "Yes, I do have dual citizenship, but I think of England as my country. I miss London very much but I couldn't live there because there came a time when I needed to be private and was forced to be public by the press. I couldn't deal with it." — JonCॐ 18:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing like consensus for any version at present, and we need to work toward finding the best version. I'm not particularly invested in any one way of describing him; I've seen some fairly recent material where he pretty much repudiates his British citizenship and identifies entirely as Irish. The problem really is that he's so inconsistent, it's hard to know what is right. --Drmargi (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Why have you reverted to a disputed version of the article while discussion is ongoing? You're not a new editor and you know how these things work – it has described him as English for some time now so that is, by default, the consensus version. As regards his Irishness, etc., could you link to any recent quotes that contradict the above? — JonCॐ 20:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
JonC, are you claiming that essentially w.r.t. the UK, that "nationality" is defined as which of the four "nations" within the UK that the person comes from? I admit to not understanding the UK perception on nationality, as much as would like to. If that is standard across other articles, and if we have verification that he is a dual citizen of England and the Republic of Ireland, then we can include both in the lead with a citation. Personally, since this seems to be a complicated issue for this article, I think it would be better to leave it out of the lead entirely and explain in longer prose (possibly with quotes from him) in a later section. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Qwyrxian, although I don't personally agree with it, that's the way it is done on Wikipedia – an Englishman is an Englishman, a Scot a Scot, etc., rather than all four countries simply being lumped under "British". In real life, it varies with regards to how British people feel: I think the English are most likely to describe themselves as "British", rather than English, first, but there are plenty of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish that would also say they're British first, Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish (or simply Irish) second.
But back to Day-Lewis – the British/Irish part is simply describing his citizenship: it's the "English actor" bit that is describing his nationality (not his ethnicity), in common with most other English people on Wikipedia (a random smattering: George Harrison, John Cleese, Simon Cowell, David Bowie, etc.). The lead was correct as it was, further reinforced by the self-identification from the man himself above. — JonCॐ 08:48, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Its the inter-changing of nationality and citizenship and peoples understanding of which to use that leads to confusion. In the UK some people see themselves as English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish (on the latter I aint opening that can of worms), before British and some vice-a-verse. Day-Lewis has dual citizenship but may self identify as English in a nationality sense (throw in a ref) and if so it should be used. Murry1975 (talk) 13:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Coming back to the point Qwyrxian made, none of the traditional labels fit Day-Lewis, between his parentage and his own (varying) preferences, thus the simplest and least problematic approach is to simply leave the single-country descriptor, be it English or British, out. There is no Wikipedia policy that requires such a descriptor be there, just policy that governs how it's generally presented if it's used. Given the confusion present just in this short discussion alone, leaving it out altogether seems to be the best approach, and one which will avoid refueling the recent edit war. --Drmargi (talk) 17:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Where are these "varying preferences"? Can someone link to a quotation in which he describes himself as an Irishman? There was no edit-war and no confusion until the correct information – based on what Day-Lewis has said himself – was removed without discussion. You should have self-reverted by now. — JonCॐ 17:24, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Some are acknowledged in the article, I believe. I'm a workin' stiff, which limits my time to edit, and have to do some research on quotes. You'll have to be patient; I'm referring to interviews I've read a far back as PR for In the Name of the Father. Moreover, I see no need to revert; I don't agree that the version to which you reverted is stable, rather, it was the challenged version that started the "is he or isn't he" British/English/Irish war resulting in the semi-protection of the article. Following on from Qwyrxian's policy challenge, I've simply removed the text altogether until such time as we can reach some sort of consensus, lest the fireworks begin anew. --Drmargi (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
The intro had been that way for well over a year, possibly longer, although I can't be bothered to trail the history. I'm going to restore it until consensus for a new introduction is reached here. I'm happy to be patient, but you can't have "your" version of the article on the promise of digging up some quotes at a later date. — JonCॐ 18:19, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

And therein lies the problem. You are taking ownership of a particular version, and ascribing ownership of another to me. I don't see it that way; I've removed the problem, in the face of a policy challenge, until such time as we can agree on what to add. I would suggest you cool your jets, as I'm sensing some anger in your response, and give the process time to work. Another revert to a version that has been controversial (no matter how much you claim otherwise) and has not been stable for some time (having been reverted by multiple editors) will achieve nothing, and will restart the edit war. --Drmargi (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Not angry at all, and "your" was just a phrase rather than actually ascribing ownership to anyone – I'm merely insisting that the consensus/stable/whatever version of the article, at which it's been for over a year, is retained whilst the case is made for a change. That is how things are supposed to be done. There is no consensus (at the moment – there may be at a later date) for the version without any mention of nationality at all. — JonCॐ 19:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I reverted per the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability. Mo ainm~Talk 20:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
What a surprise, the cavalry's here! In spite of your selective quoting, the guideline says "previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability" – meaning that if the subject has a new nationality or one different to their birthplace, the old one shouldn't be emphasised. Day-Lewis hasn't got a new nationality, he's got dual citizenship. His only nationality is English, as confirmed by his self-identifying above. Now we have no nationality, just two citizenships. You are also not a new editor, so why are you reverting my attempts to retain the stable version of this article until a new consensus can be hashed out? Have you forgotten how these things work? BRD and all that? Or just didn't like the way it was? — JonCॐ 20:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
JonC, can you justify why his being or not being English is relevant to his notability? Or to an encyclopedic understanding of him? Absent some sort of relevance, it seems like the "british + irish citizenship" adequately conveys enough information. And note that I'm not looking for WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
It's not relevant to his notability. Nor is the fact that he has British and Irish citizenship, was born in London, went to Sevenoaks, etc. But the fact that we know DD-L went to Sevenoaks and all the rest means that we should include that information. That we know that he's an Englishman – and has self-identified as such (this is important, why is it continually being ignored?) – means that info should be included too. I can't believe that you'd think that someone's nationality isn't a pretty important part of an encyclopaedic understanding of them. — JonCॐ 22:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I agree Qwyrxian and MOSBIO is clear on this English is not relevant to his notability and as such it should be removed. Mo ainm~Talk 22:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. It adds nothing, had no particular notability and serves to both confuse and create controversy. On balance, the article loses nothing and gains stability by its removal. --Drmargi (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Right, once more for good effect: he self-identifies as English. There are two quotes above in which he describes himself as an Englishman. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else other than the man himself, knows better what nationality he is. That is all that matters here. If there's no "confusion and controversy" in Daniel Day-Lewis's head, then there is no confusion and controversy. — JonCॐ 08:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
But his self-identification isn't sufficient for inclusion in Wikipedia. If an actor self-identifies as "the greatest actor on Earth", we don't include that...we don't even necessarily include if they self-identify as a "card carrying Communist" or something of that ilk. The only way it could stay is if we really can safely say that "English" is a nationality. I'd like to hear others weigh in on that point. I'd also like to hear about those supposed other sources in which he self-identifies as something else. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I would, too, but they haven't turned up yet. And re: whether English is a nationality, please search the encyclopaedia for any number of famous Englishmen and -women and see how many say "English" rather than British. Ditto Scots, Welsh, etc. — JonCॐ 09:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Per the source below, it appears he also identifies as Irish. There's no real way to put the "English" in parallel with the "Irish", given that they are two different types of entities. The current version seems to me to more clearly show his complex relationship. However, as I said, if someone wants to include more information in the body of the article, that would be fine. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
That's been my concern -- that conventional nationality labels don't accurately capture Day-Lewis' relationship with Ireland and England. Yes, he does say that England is his home and that he misses London in one interview. But at the same time, he did an interview with along with Jim Sheridan back around the time he was publicizing In the Name of the Father (which I can't find electronically) where he pretty much turns his back on his English birth and says, "My father was born here and I'm Irish." I've always had the impression that there's an ebb and flow in his relationship with the two countries and the degree to which he claims nationality of each. He also appears to have a similarly complex relationship with his Judaism and Catholicism. If discussed correctly, rather than forced into a single label, I think we can successfully illustrate the complexities of this man where his national and religious identities are concerned. --Drmargi (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

"He also appears to have a similarly complex relationship with his Judaism and Catholicism" - Unless I misunderstand, Daniel Day-Lewis has no connection to Catholicism. His father was the Protestant-raised son of a Protestant minister, and his mother was Jewish. Where does the Catholic church come in? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

In what way does the source below indicate he identifies as having Irish nationality? We must be reading different things. "The sound of the west of Ireland in a person's voice" can affect me deeply too – does that make me an Irishman? This is getting silly, and it seems some are scraping the barrel in an effort to describe him as anything but being from England. Or could that be a decent compromise – "Daniel Day-Lewis is an actor from England with both British and Irish citizenship"? — JonCॐ 15:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't believe that anyone is saying that. The point is that to take as simplistic an approach as labeling him as English, or possibly even English-born (which would be preferable) to narrowly defines Day-Lewis in that his identity as Irish is a critical feature of who he is. --Drmargi (talk) 17:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Having the subject's nationality in the lead seems a bit stupid and contrary to policy. It needs to be discussed, but later in the article where there is space to discuss the complexity, not in the lead. --John (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Which policy? As stated below by shellac, listing the nationality in the lead is policy. — JonCॐ 21:35, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
MOS:BIO is a guideline, not policy. However I see no reason not to follow its advice here. shellac (talk) 22:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Nationality in lead?

We should not have his nationality in the lead. It belongs later in the article. I tried improving this but was reverted and I am disinclined to edit-war. Anybody else? --John (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

MOS:BIO#Opening_paragraph recommends giving nationality in the first paragraph. However using the very first sentence strikes me as OTT. How about leaving the statement of citizenship(s) until the end of the paragraph and starting along the lines of: "Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis (born 29 April 1957) is an award winning film actor, known for his committed technique."? That's what I tend to associate him with (besides his father and shoemaking). shellac (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Agree with John, having his nationality in the lead lends itself to nationalist editors arguing over Irish, English or whatever, it should get covered later in the article. Mo ainm~Talk 13:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Irish and English

Daniel is both Irish and English, so will everyone just shut up about it, i'm sick of this crap, every biography i look up there is this stupid fu#*ing arguement. THESE PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC 89.124.89.62 00:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Will someone explain to me why such semi-literate, semi-obscene rants are not deleted from something that purports to be an encyclopedic website? 86.41.167.29 16:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

He's an English-born English actor. I fail to see how he is in any way Irish. As I have stated previously, is Madonna British because she lives in England and carries a British passport? Is Peter Frampton American because he has American citizenship? No on both counts. The article, therefore, should refer to Day-Lewis as English. By the way, this is not a messsage board, so would the above user try to bear that in mind before ranting.

Guv2006 21:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

He has Irish citizenship, i've read in English papers numerous times about Pierce Brosnan and even they referred to him as American because he has taken up American citizenship. It seems that your on your own then about what you believe. Peter Frampton is English-American89.124.89.62 01:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It might seem like it to you, it doesn't seem like it to Wiki or the OTHER section about his identity (further up this page). Frampton is English, not American English: "Peter Kenneth Frampton (born April 22, 1950) is an English[1] musician, singer, producer, and multi-instrumentalist." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Frampton Guv2006 (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


What about this woman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroness_O%27Cathain She was born in Ireland yet her page refers to her as an 'Irish-born British'. I'm not disputing this description; Day-Lewis should be referred to as 'British-born Irish'. 86.42.206.133 (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Except there is nothing Irish about him. Guv2006 (talk) 16:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Daniel Day Lewis's father was born in Ireland. His two sons are named Cashel and Ronan. They were born and are being reared in County Wicklow, Ireland. To say there is nothing Irish about him is thus ridiculous. Though I consider him primarily an Englishman, he is far more Irish than many Loyalists in Northern Ireland who were born and reared on the island of Ireland. ==LOTR== HELPS TO KNOW THE MAJORITY IN NORTHERN IRELAND DOES NOT IDENTIFY AS IRISH THANK YOU!!!WE are NOT IRISH...Who are you to label us?

Did he turn down the role of Aragorn in LOTR? Checking google, there does seem to be sources for the claim, but not many reliable ones. IMDB mentions it, but their biographies aren't always accurate. Stu ’Bout ye! 14:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

As to the Peter Frampton debate, it really doesn't matter what wikipedia says he is, if he has American citizenship, he is as American as anyone else. Born and naturalized citizens have the same status and the same rights. No one in this country (the United States) isn't an immigrant, the indigenous tribes having migrated across the Bering Straight and all others after 1492. "American" is not an ethnicity, Only "Amerindian" is. "American" is simply an identification of citizenship. I'm not entirely familiar with the citizenship laws of the United Kingdom or the Republic of Ireland, but I think its safe to assume they are similar. This discussion seems very racist. Daniel Day-Lewis should probably be identified by whatever citizenships he holds. Unless any of us have his genetic sequence and a thorough knowledge of ethnic histories, the only encyclopedic thing to do is to call him either (1) a British/Irish actor or (2) a British born, British/Irish actor. It is, after all, the 21st century. EdOByrne (talk) 00:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Table

There is a table depicting relevant content regard critical ratings from Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. This isn't an appropriate way to include critical reactions and commentary. In fact, it effectively cuts out a huge chunk of what should be expanded discussion regarding critical reactions to DD-L's performances. I feel this inclusion jeopardizes the Good Article status and needs to be expanded into prose instead of a sterile table. Lizabetha (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Three

Mr. Lewis has now won three Oscars for Best Actor in a Leading Role. -Mardus (talk) 04:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

File:Actor David.JPG

...are we SURE that's Mr. Day-Lewis? ;D maybe this could be clarified... --Kawaii-Soft (talk) 17:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Rogue editor

I'm getting sick of this and sick of the misinformation that Wikipedia allows because it lets any old idiot edit the main page. Since when was Daniel Day Lewis born in Dublin? Since when was Daniel Day Lewis Irish only... especially since he has an English mother and ANGLO-Irish father, was educated in England and learnt to act in England? I have looked through numerous Telegraph, Guardian and Times articles and found the same quote over and over - " I'm an Englishman living in Ireland." Additionally, he states in one that he misses South East London, to which he calls his 'turf'.

Seeing as this is the first google search that comes up I think it is criminal that someone has blatantly sabotaged fact for some vain attempt to exclusively label someone with their own nationality when it is simply NOT TRUE AT ALL. And anyway... what on earth is up with this trend for making out that anyone of note is Irish. It seems to be some sort of crusade. Absolutely pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.108.15 (talk) 23:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

The offending edits have been reverted (not surprisingly, the vandal's IP is registered to Dublin). FallingGravity (talk) 05:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Need to know how the subject identifies himself...Is often the case of those of us of mixed ancestry face that we do NOT know what we are...!Outsiders/observers overdo the word English generally....British is safer....

English/Irish

An "English/Irish actor"? In what way is Daniel Day-Lewis Irish? He's an English actor, full stop.

Day-Lewis has identified himself as Irish, his Irish-born father brought his children up to consider themselves as much Irish as English. The source for this is an interview on RTÉ's Late Late Show, although I don't have an exact reference to hand. He also lives in Ireland. --Ryano 22:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
He also took out Irish citizenship. The Filmaker 22:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

On a recent episode of Parkinson he repeatedly referred to himself as a middle class Englishman, not once did he say he was Irish, so I think the RTE interview should be taken with a pinch of salt. It sounds to me like he likes to endear himself to his audience, so claiming on Irish TV that he is Irish is neither here nor there. I think a better description would be to describe him as an English actor who has taken Irish citizenship. There is a growing tendency at Wikipedia to try and claim anyone of merit to be of Irish stock, no matter how tenuous. No better is this point shown than in the Robert De Niro discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_De_Niro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.101.50 (talk • contribs)

'so I think the RTE interview should be taken with a pinch of salt' Yes of course... that's why he now lives in Ireland and has an Irish passport. Superdude rolls his eyes Superdude99 07:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

So, where's the consistency? Check out Peter Frampton - a British musician who has taken American citizenship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Frampton

Notice how he's not Anglo-American? I think it's time the Irish reference on Day-Lewis' page was removed. He is NOT Irish no matter how much you wish he was.

I don't think the article is right in saying that he became an Irish citizen in 1993, the fact is that as the child of an Irish born person, he was at birth automatically an Irish citizen. Just because he was born in England does not make him English, he obvious feels himself to be Irish( which he legally, from the day he was born is). I think the best way to describe him would be to say that he was is a English born, Irish actor.

Ah, but he doesn't consider himself Irish. Try to get a copy of his recent 'Parkinson' interview where he refers to himself as English. One Irish parent does not make a child Irish, especially when the other parent is English. Being born in England and growing up in England makes him English/British, not Irish.

He lives in Ireland, uses an Irish passport, I think it is safe to say that he considers himself Irish.

Okay, so Madonna is British! [sarcasm] There's no reasoning with the Irish mafia - have it your own way if you must.

Daniel Day Lewis lurks still to this day on the set of bag end in NZ, think about it...

It ceases to amaze me. Not one drop of english blood in his veins. Only by geographical chance is he English yet he is described as such. Its obvious 800 years of blood wasn't enough. The letter and disinformation has replaced famine and the bludgeon. That's all right though we will just outcite references you found five we'll find six. Like a virus justifying and sustaining it's existence the english latch onto seperate entities for survival and validity. BTW your not Irish by birth if your father is you have to apply for it. Subsequently prove it. Which of course proves intent. Stop spreading lies. His mother is Jewish. His father is Irish. He lives in Ireland. He went through the trouble of getting his citizenship from his ancestral home (a generation removed). Describing your youth as middle class english has no bearing on genetic composition. AND if what that joker 8 posts above said is true than he was humoring the english people as well as the irish leaving no clear intent or allegiance. Point void. Genetically speaking he is Irish-Jewish. He went through the hoops of becoming an Irish citizen. He lives in Ireland. Stop taking brilliance that's not yours. Centuries of profit via brutality and oppression will suit you fine thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert holmes (talk • contribs) 07:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Get over yourself and that stupid big chip on your shoulder. He's not Irish, you buffoon, and that's the end of it. Geographical chance? Crikey. Listen everyone! I'm really Irish but "geographical chance" makes everyone assume I'm English - how awful! Oh, woe is me! No one understnds! Grow up. Not everyone you want to be Irish actually is, you know. Wikipedia is being ruined by trolls such as yourself altering people's nationality to Irish. Guv2006 (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


Anywho, those all important categories seem fine as they are know. Irish father means Irish descent, born and growing up in England makes him English so thats all good. Someone said he now also has an Irish passport, if this is indeed true then it would be fine to also include Irish actor w/e as well as all the English actor etc except that it would cause the categories list to be excessive, the Jewish connection also makes that increasingly unhelpful.

Seeing the Robert De Nero thing made me laugh by the way, Americans of English, Irish, German, French, Dutch etc descent. Somebody traced his family tree there just to add their country to some actors profile? Ironically proves how we are all just one race and children of the Earth anyway.--EchetusXe (talk) 00:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The exact quote from parkinson. "the thing im least interested in is i suppose is the fact that i'm a middle class englishman." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert holmes (talk • contribs) 07:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

"the fact is that as the child of an Irish born person" - his father C Day-Lewis was born in Ireland long before the revolution or independence. He was born a British Subject. He was resident in England and so never stopped being a British Subject. Daniel can and has claimed dual nationality - but his father was never a citizen of the Republic of Ireland. Daisyabigael (talk) 00:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the third Irish-English-British discussion I've found relating to an English-British-Irish Actor, quite the contentious subject. As someone who has lived in Britain England Ireland and northern Ireland and as a holder of many passports (in my capacity of an international man of mystery,)I think people are over estimating the worth of these categorizations. When countries two are as close historically, culturally and ethnically(a word I hate to use in this context) definitions are hard to agree on and nebulous at best. Also can't we keep our grubby nationalism out of this?

Why is he stated as an English-Irish actor? There are dozens of quotes of Daniel Day Lewis describing himself as an Englishman living in Ireland and so on. It seems that everybody here (including Daniel Day Lewis) understands he is an English actor with British/Irish citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.159.249 (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

You can feel and tell whatever you want - this does not influence your citizenship at all! I also do not suddenly become Japanese, because I feel I like Japan. According to the Irish constitution you must be born in Ireland to be Irish; Day-Lewis is _not_. There is absolutely no proved reason why Day-Lewis might be Irish. --88.130.117.234 (talk) 16:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
For latest removal "I’m an Irish citizen. I have a right to be and I’ve adopted that right " from the source provided. Murry1975 (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Did you at least read my post? To be Irish you must be born in Ireland. Tell me how he can be Irish, if he is - what is sourced correctly - born in London. Please with reputable source. --88.130.117.234 (talk) 17:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
To be an Irish citizen you do not have to be born in Ireland, I cant think where you have got that notion from. Irish nationality law might help. Murry1975 (talk) 17:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
The Irish constitution uses the ius solis. I am sorry, it was not my decision to arrange things that way. How should he have become Irish? It is no possible. --88.130.117.234 (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
You can gain also Irish citizenship through descent, marriage and, like pretty much every other country in the world (even the ones that practice jus solis) naturalisation. Day-Lewis aquired Irish citizenship in 1993, although since he is of Irish descent, he'd have been eligible from birth--Allthestrongbowintheworld (talk) 17:27, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
If a Japanese couple emigrated from Japan to England then had a child, that child would have British citizenship, but I think most people would regard the child as Japanese. Just a thought. Jodosma (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with that, there are plenty of second and third generation Indians and West Indians living in the UK who are simply just British. The Americans make more of a fuss about ethnicity, especially the Irish and Italians etc.--Allthestrongbowintheworld (talk) 12:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is supposed to be factual: Day Lewis is English by birth and English by his own admission — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.78.18 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Day-Lewis self identifies as English. The POV of wiki users is irrelevant.

"I'm a middle class Englishman", end quote. His dual citizenship status is an entirely separate matter. He is a self identified Englishman (born, raised, trained) and now carries dual citizenship. This talkpage is a mess of waffle, original research, and endless POV. This is an encycolpedia. Stick to the facts. Leave pointless, petty POV at the door. This Irishman has spoken. Victor W18 (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Youtube isnt a WP:RS. Murry1975 (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Noted. However it isn't the source. BBC is the source. Victor W18 (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Not as cited. Moreover, there is extensive, long-standing controversy regarding how he identifies, as well as policy issues regarding whether we need to state his nationality. The previous discussion, which you could have joined, addresses much of that. --Drmargi (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Already noted. Secondly, there is extensive waffle, or, and pov on this talkpage and nothing else. Repeat, there is nothing in this talkpage in which he identifies as anything other than an Englishman. Reliable source meets wiki guidelines. I also note that this page went unchanged "English actor with dual citizenship" until pov hijacked it. This is an encyclopedia, not wiki users pov.Victor W18 (talk) 20:11' 17 October 2012 (UTC)
And I note a "new" editor with an extensive knowledge of wikipedia and wiki-lingo. BBC maybe a source but please link to it as where it can be confirmed. Murry1975 (talk) 02:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
This was discussed extensively above and the loonies had their way, despite there being numerous sources provided stating he identifies as English and none to contradict that. Good luck, anyway. — Jon C.ॐ 08:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
"I do have dual citizenship, but I think of England as my country". Span (talk) 22:54, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Acting method

In the lead, it says "traditional acting method" should it be "classical acting" as it's the method used in that time and is the opposite of "method acting"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.100.226.193 (talk) 06:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Awards

Is there someone willing to add either a section, or a 'notes' column in his filmography for the various awards for which Day-Lewis has been nominated over the years?

Despite being one of the most acclaimed actors of his generation, it's surprisingly difficult to find a point-by-point summary of his accolades, as Wikipedia is usually so good at doing. Crazy Eddy (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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intro is terrible with awkward sentence about citizenship

Seriously, having the second sentence of a vital article say "He holds both English and Irish citizenship" is way too clunky and awkward. Why not simply say "Daniel Day-Lewis is an Anglo-Irish actor"? He is Anglo-Irish by both citizenship and birth. You can put a reference note in there to a sentence at the bottom saying he holds both English/Irish citizenship. —МандичкаYO 😜 10:41, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Anglo-Irish means something else...and he has made his self identity pretty clear! 109.149.122.185 (talk) 13:30, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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Over-citation in Lead

I thought the Lead could be free of cites, if facts were supported by sourced citations in the body of the article. They seem rather overdone. It must have been all the chatter above conflicting ideas of birthright, ancestry, and citizenship that made editors feel they needed to fill the Lead with cites. Disagree with saying in the first sentence that he is retired; that is the first time I have seen that about an actor, or even about many other persons who have left careers of one sort or another. "Retired" is not the determining factor in his notability and does not yet constitute the main part of his life.Parkwells (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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Why just "English actor"

The source given is him just saying he was born in England.

Did he not have both citizenships when he became famous? Kay girl 97 (talk) 20:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Where in London?

Our article says he was born in Kensington; IMDb says he was born in Greenwich, several miles to the east. Which is correct? Grutness...wha? 12:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Where's the rest of the talk pages?

Why is there only one page of talk on here? Zero comments before 2017? Seems odd! Cls14 (talk) 20:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

There are archived talk pages, but for some reason the link to this page isn't working. Not sure why. Grutness...wha? 12:24, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2020

The first sentence of this profile reads incorrectly and sounds like it was written by a non-native English speaker. Daniel Day Lewis is a retired English actor is how it should read (currently it says "an English retired actor"). 78.252.100.20 (talk) 09:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done --TheImaCow (talk) 10:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Irish Times list of greatest film actors Comment Comment

I added this line: In 2020, he was listed at number 2 on The Irish Times list of Ireland's greatest film actors.[1] which was reverted with the reason "Covered in mention greatest actors. Avoid specifying nationality."

The sentence is accurate, relevant, and from a reliable source. Is there an issue with referring to him as Irish? It says in the article that he has dual nationality and categories refer to him as Irish. --GeneralBelly (talk) 21:27, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Obviously there is an issue with "referring to him as Irish" given the edit history here. But the editor who reverted you had no business doing so. The source is perfectly legitimate for the content you are trying to add. I also don't understand why you need to "avoid specifying nationality". Describe him however the source does.Jonathan f1 (talk) 02:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Seems Daniel Day Lewis is quite strident in proclaiming his English roots and connection, mentioning many times in interviews and at awards shows. Trying to find the transcript of his many comments from an acceptable source is tough. https://phantomthread.tumblr.com/post/139376780619 https://kathyddl.tripod.com/question.htm https://www.wmagazine.com/story/exclusive-daniel-day-lewis-giving-up-acting-phantom-thread "I have no illusion about the fact that I`m an Englishman living in Ireland. Even though I do straddle both worlds and I`m very proud to be able to carry both passports." 'If I really chose to look at myself, I'd say that probably the thing I'm least interested in about myself is the fact that I'm a middle-class Englishman. So therefore it doesn't really appeal to me the idea of exploring that experience. Probably since childhood, I think my curiosity was almost invariably fired by the mystery of lives I didn't understand. My first school in south-east London only took me a few miles from my comfortable life in Greenwich, but it took me to the frontline in south-east London.'Halbared (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

DDL self-identity is part of his brand, it seems clear cut that he is English, and described as such in many sources.Halbared (talk) 08:14, 27 September 2021 (UTC) After looking at the guide on UK nationals; Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom#Guide_to_finding_UK_nationality it says, Look specifically for evidence that the person has a preferred nationality.Halbared (talk) 08:51, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/the-50-greatest-irish-film-actors-of-all-time-in-order-1.4271988

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 January 2022

Change the film listed as Day-Lewis's first film from "The Bounty" (1984) to "Gandhi" (1982). 184.74.42.186 (talk) 17:14, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done -- Asartea Talk | Contribs 18:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Why his Irish nationality has not written about

Please add his Irish nationality 223.189.196.120 (talk) 23:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Has Daniel not identified as Irish?

If not, or if he has changed his mind, that's fine, but so often many Irish people or things are claimed as being British; an age-old story. 2A02:8084:21E0:FB00:503F:A572:871D:9441 (talk) 00:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

If you read the archived chat, it is covered there.Halbared (talk) 09:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

About his Irish nationality

Why wikipedia wants to hide his Irish nationality . He lives in Ireland . Please add about his Irish citizenship. 223.189.196.120 (talk) 23:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

It is in the infobox.Halbared (talk) 09:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2023

I am Victoria Belfrage, Daniel Day-Lewis's agent. I need you to edit the following ASAP please:

FIRST EDIT Under the 'Early life and education' section, in the second paragraph, you need to delete the second half of it. Please delete the following, it's incorrect: "Day-Lewis had to deal with tough South London children. At this school, he was bullied for being both Jewish and "posh".[20][21] He mastered the local accent and mannerisms, and credits that as being his first convincing performance.[21][22] Later in life, he has been known to speak of himself as a disorderly character in his younger years, often in trouble for shoplifting and other petty crimes.[22][23]"

SECOND EDIT Under the 'Personal life' section, in the fourth paragraph, after the first sentence ends ' ...die-hard agnostic'. And before the second sentence begins 'In 2012, he donated....' we will need to have you insert the following:

"In 2011, Daniel Day-Lewis was inducted into the American Academy of Arts & Sciences. In 2012, he received an Honorary Degree from University College, Dublin. In 2013, he received an Honorary Degree from The Juilliard School. In 2015, Day-Lewis received an Honorary Doctorate from Goldsmiths, University of London. And in 2020, he was awarded an Honorary Doctorate from Birmingham City University." VivVic17* (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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British or English

The citation support for describing this actor as English, rather than British, seems very thin. The citation attached to the opening sentence of the lead includes a single isolated self-reference to himself as an “Englishman” (which I would casually make of myself), but that fact remains that, legally and by his citizenship, he is British. Encyclopedia Britannica describes him as a British actor.[1] As does the American Academy of Arts & Sciences.[2] As does Amazon.[3] And IMDB.[4] As does Canadian CBC.[5] As did the UK Guardian.[6] As did the respected US publication, Hollywood Reporter, announcing his retirement.[7] As did the US Variety website, at around the same time.[8].

Around the English-speaking world, he is known as a (retired) British actor, and the cited support for describing him as English when he remains a British citizen is extremely thin. Review the rest of the opening paragraph of our article’s lead, and you will see that these link to a fair few additional citations. Several of these refer to DDL as British; none to him as English. MoS policies on biographical articles place a premium on citizenship and deprecate references to nationality or ethnicity. Hence the case for describing Day-Lewis according to his citizenship appears overwhelming. MapReader (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Daniel Day Lewis emphasizes his 'Englishness' in most interviews he gives, in his last prominent interview with W magazine, Daniel reinforces his English identity and explains how this has affected his career and parts he was offered and not offered, the 'English' aspect being intrinsic to this. With actors their associated ethnicity/identity is a part of their persona, some make purposeful choices on how they are portrayed and the wiki guide on UK nationalities recognises this. I don't see a reason to force an identity on Daniel just as I wouldn't on Ewan McGregor or someone.Halbared (talk) 20:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
Without any citations, that’s just assertion without evidence. There’s no comparison with McGregor, who is widely known and widely described as a Scottish actor. Day-Lewis is widely described as British, and how he is described by most RS governs how he should be described in the WP article, not the views of one editor. The “guide” to which you refer isn’t policy, nor even a guide, but simply an essay; based on one (and, as it happens, not even British) editor’s view. It has no weight whatsoever when it comes to article editing, where we should follow the MoS. MapReader (talk) 21:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
No contrary citations have been offered in two weeks, so it is reasonable to return and edit the main page. MapReader (talk) 19:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Quite right too. Anglophobes will always protest, but Sir Daniel Day-Lewis is a self-professed Englishman, and there's nothing they can do about it. 51.6.69.71 (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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