Talk:David Cicilline

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ethnicity[edit]

I removed these categories until they can be sourced. Thanks --Tom 13:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I have restored the category. He is of part Jewish descent, practices the religion and many of his patronage appointments (including his $250,000 + scandal emroiled police chief Dean Esserman) are Jews. Here are 2 sources: [[1]], [[2]],[[3]].John celona (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It's sourced and we do seem to keep lists of Jews on Wikipedia, so I'm not redeleting it. But I question why we keep such lists. And I question the good faith of Jew-spotters whose own edit history includes Holocaust denial, which, under WP policy is, per se, incivil. David in DC (talk) 06:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
User threeafterthree removed this article from the category Jewish (where it had been previously been put by another user-not me). I found 3 sources and restored it. My mother is a Parisian Jew who survived World war II. Please stop accusing me of anti-semetism, threats, holocaust denial and other fabricated allegations as you are doing here and every other page you can. John celona (talk) 01:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
"The final solution is a hoax" is credited to you, or your own talk page. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:John_celona#Your_edit_on_Holocaust This is fabricated Holocaust denial?David in DC (talk) 02:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I've addressed this many times both to your slanders and Jkp212's slanders. You are well aware of this. My mother is a Jew. PLEASE stop harrasing and stalking me everwhere on Wikipedia. John celona (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Firefighters dispute[edit]

I've tried to copy edit this section in a content-neutral way, but to shorten it, and in that way diminish the WP:WEIGHT problems that increase with every POV edit by partisans of the firefighter's local. I have no dog in this fight, but I fear the page is slowly turning into a firefighter's union screed against the subject, instead of a neutral encyclopedia article. What do others think? David in DC (talk) 23:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely, David. I appreciate that the editor has the forthrightness to chose name like "Provpublicsafety" and I've tried balance the page out without triggering some kind of backlash or claims that WP is a Cicilline Haven, but a bias is creeping in. I'm going to put a note in the section and direct all future edits about the firefighter's union to the discussion page here for POV balance before adding.--Loodog (talk) 01:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. There has obviously been a spate of POV edits from firefighters (or their allies) that has markedly reduced the quality of the article. The whole section needs a re-write. — Lincolnite (talk) 08:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
That's a good idea. The only reason I opted to make edits is because what was there was scant and not accurate, previous edit had dispute starting in 2005. I will be adding more. I am not a firefighter or a member of the union--Provpublicsafety (talk) 02:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind as you add information to the section that the section should only be as big as notability dictates i.e. that whatever fraction of Cicilline's existence is about the firefighter's union issue is what fraction of the article we should spend on it. We shouldn't overweight the issue just because of the plethora of information about it that's out there.--Loodog (talk) 02:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)::I meant adding more in other sections (mayors brother John, crime statistics, appointees receiving exhorbitant salaries. Right now, the entry is mostly Cicilline PR--Provpublicsafety (talk) 04:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

As Mayor[edit]

The mayors website is not a reliable source (14% Mgmnt Positions Only): "The city has eliminated 14% of management positions,. . . .[7]" There is a news article for the bond rating--Joe 12:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Provpublicsafety (talkcontribs)

Agree. If you can find a reliable source either disputing this or providing its own data, that's preferable. The mayor's website has obvious cause to paint more favorable statistics.--Loodog (talk) 13:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Cover-up of scandals[edit]

This guy is the most scandal plagued politician in RI history. His brother and NUMEROUS workers like Lisa Torres and Juan Giraldo are sitting in the can on municipal corruption charges, his $400,000 police chief is the focus of multiple probes, including the fabrication of crime stats, his gay crony Paul Brooks is making 6 figures as the no-show "Director of Protocol", the city is expected to be about $30 million in the whole in the next fiscal year and the unfunded pension liablity has more than doubled, to $700 million, during his corrupt administration. Not to mention the Cicilline scamming of the taxpayers in the $75,000 "check to nowhere" scandal or the favored cops being alllowed to drive to Hartford every day at taxpayer expense in a Cicilline provided car. Far from a candidate for governor, most Rhode Islanders expect this guy to be dragged off in cuffs like Blagoevich in the next few months.

Editor, please sign your posts with 4 tildas, like so: ~~~~
We'd be glad to include anything you say provided you have neutral reliable sources that attest to this information. The last thing wikipedia desires is an inaccurate portrayal of a living person.--Loodog (talk) 02:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


More scandal ridden than say, his predecessor who actually was convicted?68.9.130.10 (talk) 23:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Disproportionate coverage of taxing students[edit]

As per WP:UNDUE, this does not deserve an entire section. Indeed, it may not be notable enough to be mentioned at all. Each piece of coverage of a person's political career should be given weight proportionate to its notability.--Loodog (talk) 23:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

In May, 2009, Cicilline gained national headlines[4] after proposing a $150 per semester "Head Tax" on each of the 25,000 college students attending four universities in the city. The tax was an effort to close $6 to $8 million, of a reported $17 million dollar city budget shortfall. The associated press reported that if enacted, it would become the first-in-the-nation tax on students simply for being enrolled and attending college within the city limits.[5]. The tax question is notable because it came the same week a former City Tax Collector filed a lawsuit alleging conspiracy, corruption, libel and wrongful termination.[6] The controversy over new taxes, at the same time litigation was filed over old taxes, is in addition to a $10 million dollar lawsuit against the city filed by former Providence tax collector Robert P. Ceprano.


I disagree. It is properly sourced and documented. What would you like to do to resolve? J (talk) 23:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing and documenting has nothing to do with it. It violates WP:NPOV through clear WP:UNDUEWEIGHT on one particular subject. As one of three headlined issues, the impression is given that one third of all notable actions taken in office were related to this student tax. It'd be like awarding an entire section in the Bill Clinton article to the Telecommunications Act of 1996.--Loodog (talk) 23:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy Endings?[edit]

The Mayor should be listed as being in the film for a few reasons. First, once again you are whitewashing an article. The Mayor does not just appear in the film he is a main character, as the links show. [1]Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). Both the link in IMDB and the Providence Journal list the mayor first. As you say in a previous post on this page in a previous discussion, "We'd be glad to include anything you say provided you have neutral reliable sources that attest to this information"You Can't Clap with One Hand (talk) 01:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)GiselleRI

As to "whitewashing", please assume good faith. I have no interest one way or another in what films Cicilline appears in or his stances on prostitution. As for "We'd be glad to include..." this was a response comment to someone thinking the article was biased and a cleanup job of Cicilline. My response was anything sourced could be included. I have no interest in biasing this article. This inclusion of yours I am more concerned with over WP:UNDUE. Given Cicilline as a whole, is the fact that he appeared in a documentary worth a whole paragraph?--Loodog (talk) 02:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I am a new user so also please assume good faith. If anything 4 sentences with 5 valid references, including some of the references coming from the Mayors memos, would seem to be more than valid and not WP:UNDUE. I don't think any other paragraph in this article is as short and has as many references.02:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)GiselleRI —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiselleRI (talkcontribs)

WP:UNDUE is not a number of sources competition. It only says, "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject". I can find countless sources about Bo Obama, that doesn't mean he should get a mention in Obama's Presidency of Barack Obama article.--Louiedog (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

RI District[edit]

The district that Cicilline represented in the RI General Assembly was not the 4th District. Gordon Fox has represented that district since 1993. I don't know which district Cicilline represented, but I suspect the 3rd District. Either way, the un-sourced 4th district parts of this article are factually incorrect, and the entry for Gordon Fox contradicts this article.

Talfryn (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

A link has expired[edit]

The the link for the first source in the reference section:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20101106/pl_cq_politics/politics000003759325_1

has expired. Instead of the desired page, you are redirected to a Yahoo 404 page.

The full visible part of the first source in the reference is:

Symes, Frances (November 6, 2010). "112th Congress: David Cicilline, D-R.I. (1st District)". Congressional Quarterly. Blindjustice (talk) 23:33, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Brown University poll, December 2011[edit]

This poll, as the link proves, deals with Cicilline's performance in the U.S. House--he'd left the mayor's office in Providence nearly a year before that. So WHY is this referenced in the section on his service as mayor? The only reason I don't just delete this is that it would remove a footnote from the middle of a list of notes--perhaps someone who's better at re-organizing articles and notes could fix this? Rontrigger (talk) 01:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Good catch! Insomesia (talk) 01:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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