Talk:David Gulpilil

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Biography assessment rating comment[edit]

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Struggles Between Two Worlds[edit]

This section needs sources. While I have no doubt that he has suffered from racism, these accusations need to be attributed to specific sources. Especially when the Crocodile Dundee production is singled out. The section also uses 'many people', 'journals', 'many feel' etc, which are weasel words. These need to be explicit. Ashmoo 02:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Legal Cases[edit]

I couldn't think of a better name for this section. Any ideas? De Guerre 11:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An "incident which took place against his wife" isn't exactly great English. Perhaps someone who can write English - i.e. not an Australia - should edit the section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 07:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism[edit]

This article is heavily plagiarised from the biography section of Gulpilil's website (http://www.gulpilil.com/biography.htm). While I hesitate to remove the entire article, this should be addressed as soon as possible. J Herington 13:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC) (This article is mostly copied and pasted from another website.)[reply]

Just thinking out loud. Is there a possibility that the original author of most of the text (204.196.184.168) is also the author (or related to the author) of the gulpilil website? In that case, would it still be considered plagiarism? In other words, I do see the not-so-coincidental similarities, and it may be plagiarism, but could it also have been a helpful hand? Further, there is the direct link to the official website. Cheers! Didgeweb 16:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It could be that the Gulpilil site has copied from WP. It takes a bit of research with archived versions of that site to verify which came first.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems highly likely that it is the website that has plagiarised the bio. Even cowgirls get the blues.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gulpilil today[edit]

It's stated that "he is said to have committed the worst of tribal offences" but it isn't clear what these offences might be. Can this be clarified? Widmerpool (talk) 06:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DG "shared his recovery story"; recovery from what? Tsuguya (talk) 14:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction with the article on the Yolngu[edit]

"initiated into the Mandhalpuyngu tribal group. His skin group totemic animal is the eagle and his homeland is Marwuyu" The Mandhalpuyngu do not appear as tribes of either subdivisions of the YolnguUndead Herle King (talk) 04:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:David Gulpilil/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Needs references.--Grahamec 07:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Entire article from "Early Life" heading to end of article is copied verbatim from the bio page of David Gulpilil's own website www.gulpilil.com[reply]

Last edited at 06:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 12:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Naming[edit]

His family [https://www.theage.com.au/culture/movies/david-gulpilil-was-a-mesmerising-movie-presence-20210325-p57dwd.html requested] that he be referred to as David Dalaithngu. What weight does that carry here? Do we update the article title? Change the wording within the article? Stevage 23:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Stevage: I'm not sure we have a guideline or consensus on naming of Indigenous Australians yet, but Laterthanyouthink has been working on a draft style guide – any thoughts? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 23:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ClaudineChionh: That article seems to be focussed on terminology for people groups rather than names of individuals. The closest policy I can think of is that around name use for gender identity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Gender_identity) where the guidelines state to use their current name even when referring to a time before they transitioned. I think the safest thing to do is use "Dalaithngu" for everything and maybe set up a redirect from the former name. Storeye (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's a bit more complicated perhaps in this case. See the para "I understand in Aboriginal culture..." here. So clearly he himself was fine with the use of his name after his death. I don't know what means for us here. Stevage 00:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stevage, ClaudineChionh and Storeye: This is a tricky one, and somewhat analogous to Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu. I think at this point we need to stick to WP:COMMONNAME (i.e. majority of sources), don't we? Also, as Stevage points out, he was happy to use David Gulpilil himself; all of his films credit him as David Gulpilil, so this name will live on for a long time; and most people googling to find the Wiki article at this point are going to use that name. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:17, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. This ABC article says "Dalaithngu was better known by a different surname at the height of his stardom, but the ABC has been advised that for Indigenous cultural reasons that name can't be used." This is a similar situation to Gurrumul being referred to as Dr G. Yunupingu, but Wikipedia does not follow that (and other websites everywhere, including the Gurrumul website itself, use that name). We would always have to have redirects from all possible names anyway, which would need to be mentioned in the article at the very least, or people would not find the article - so we cannot avoid all mention of the current name. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So it's not possible to change the name of this article to David Dalaithngu now that he has died, for cultural and family request reasons? Martinevans123 (talk)

Happy to go with consensus, but as far as I can see, wp rules dictate otherwise, which is why Gurrumul wasn't changed. It's a temporary thing, as the Guardian article says. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think this issue is a bit confused. See also this discussion. In any case, the use of the name is only temporary, and after the mourning period he should revert to his original name.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, The Age is reporting that period has passed now. https://www.theage.com.au/culture/movies/david-gulpilil-to-receive-film-s-highest-honour-as-his-face-lights-up-opera-house-20211201-p59dpe.html Stevage 00:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth[edit]

It currently suggests 1963 in the ‘early life’ section. I think this is a typo and it should be 53. He was more than 8 in Walkabout. Generally needs tidying up as him birthdate is given definitively at the top, then questioned below. 212.56.109.164 (talk) 13:11, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change of name?[edit]

I’m not an expert, and presumably there is precedent for this, but should his name now be changed to David Dalaithngu, in line with Aboriginal naming customs for the dead?

Perhaps with his name in life auto-forwarding to this page? 212.56.109.164 (talk) 13:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See "Naming" thread above? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate for Main Page – In the news[edit]

Editors and followers of this article may want to comment on the In the news nomination: § RD: David Gulpilil. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the alert, ClaudineChionh. I see that it has been accepted now. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 21:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries Laterthanyouthink – thanks team for improving the article! ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I should have thanked you for your work too, sorry! And thanks to the others who have been contributing too. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image[edit]

Would the top right quadrant of this image be better, i.e. a hard crop of the current image? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think so. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]