Talk:Edwin Jarvis

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The status of Ultimate Jarvis[edit]

I removed the lgbt link. Ultimate Jarvis is gay, but the real Jarvis is not.

And until Ultimate Jarvis gets his own article, it's appropriate that the category link remain. CovenantD 23:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, you could also say that since Ultimate Nick Fury is black, tehere should be a link to "black superheroes" on the Nick Fury page. The fact is that they are two different charcters who share the same name. Since the majority of the article is about 616 Jarvis, I am deleting the link.

A spurious argument, since Ultimate Nick Fury has his own article, so there's no need to stick that category tag on the Nick Fury article. --khaosworks (talkcontribs) 12:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Allright, yah smart aleck, it was an example. But, if you want to get testy, take Kestrel who is black in 616 and white in Ultimate. My point still remains the same. Unless it says "Ultimate Jarvis" IT'S NOT ABOUT ULTIMATE JARVIS. Why did Ultimate Nick get his own article in the first place? HE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER!!! So, case closed.

Well, nothing's stopping you from categorizing Kestrel in African-American supervillains and Caucasian supervillains if those categories exist. The simple truth of the matter is that the LGBT comic book characters category does exist and is appropriate for this article, and given that people are reverting you, it appears that others agree as well. There are many merged articles with Ultimate and 616 versions simply because there's not enough information to warrant two articles. In the case of Ultimate Nick Fury, there is enough, that's why the article was split up. Yes, the case is closed, but not in your favor. Perhaps you may like to seek a Wikipedia:Third opinion? --khaosworks (talkcontribs) 22:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The Nick Fury and Ultimate Nick Fury pages should be merged, since most other Marvel character who have Ultimate counterparts have both characters on the same page. Dr Archeville 19:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the unsigned user. Quote this very article: "Jarvis and Aunt May began to develop a romantic relationship." How can he be a LGBT character? In Earth X JJ Jameson was turned into a donkey. Is he listed under fictional donkeys? I think not! Alternate Dimension can some times be completely re-imagined or completely different characters with the same name or codename. A many a time they contradict each other. Since the article is called "Edwin Jarvis" and not "Ultimate Edwin Jarvis" I am removing the link. Besides the Ultimate character has all of two sentences to his name and, since he is now deceased, will be of far less importance to the MU than the 50+ year old butler who is is still kicking. If you must, Ultimate Jarv is a footnote- and footnotes, while noteworthy, aren't as important as the main article. User:Merlin Storm05:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Um, the B of LGBT is 'bisexual' so technically (though this is not the case for Jarvis) using Aunt May is an invalid example. Lots42 (talk) 09:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

And several other editors have expressed why it belongs, including a neutral third opinion. Your analogy to JJJ is a strawman argument at best because JJJ's basic character isn't a donkey. Until Ultimate Jarvis gets his own article, any categories should be listed here. CovenantD 16:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Third Opinion[edit]

After viewing many of the other articles in Category:LGBT characters in comics, it appears to be acceptable to list them there, even if only one of their "incarnations" was gay. So, even though Edwin Jarvis is not gay, Ultimate Jarvis is, so the LGBT category is appropriate. I hope this helps to resolve this dispute. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. Amalas =^_^= 17:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Jarvis is not Ultimate Jarvis. It's like comparing apples and an orange dipped in red food coloring. Lots42 (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Mother[edit]

Doesn't Jarvis support his mother on his Avengers salary? I seem to remember seeing her in one old comic.

And what's up with Jarvis going from balding and thin (Avengers #400) to fat and grey in Perez/Busiek issues? I can understand the grey but not the fat. Jarvis is too smart for that, considering his line of work.

Lots42 01:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Removing "bitch" from the article[edit]

In the appropriate "Civil War" trade, Jarvis says that is Stark lets that "Tigra %^#$" back into the Avengers he can find someone else to do the laundry. The author of part of the main article has quoted "%^#$" as "bitch", and that's an understandable reach, but its not accurate.

The author of the piece also has Jarvis saying he'll quit - that's not clear either because Jarvis is a butler, not a personal valet. Butlers don't do laundry. Also, Jarvis experiences a sort of breakdown when he doesn't have Avengers to care for: at the start of the Busiek run, for example. I'm just saying that you should quote the line and let readers seek their own interpretation, rather than extrapolating likely explanations.

Jarvis is Jarvis. I'm sure he'd do laundry if needed. And what's with him hating on Tigra. Tigra -supported- Iron Man! Lots42 06:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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Tigra[edit]

I think Jarvis' post-Civil-War thoughts on Tigra should be mentioned more nuetrally but I am unsure as to what exactly...Lots42 (talk) 09:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I see such thoughts are duplicated in the redundant 'personal life' section. That needs to be merged. My concerns were for the regular bio section. Lots42 (talk) 09:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Real Jarvis or not[edit]

Any details on when Jarvis was replaced by a Skrull should be heavily referenced. Partly because notable events happened around this time, like 'Jarvis' being shot clean through the shoulder by a disgruntled employee. I wonder how the Skrulls deal with injuries like that. Lots42 (talk) 12:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

J.A.R.V.I.S.[edit]

This article (and it's not alone) treats the computer version of Jarvis as having originated in the movie, completely ignoring the 90s animated series.

Whoever posted this comment should make those changes themselves. Spidey104 21:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
It was called H.O.M.E.R. not Jarvis, predating the AI J.A.R.V.I.S. from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. (JoeLoeb (talk) 02:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC))

AI split[edit]

I think the AI character should have its own page. Will (Talk - contribs) 04:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I Oppose the split. The only references to the AI character are small comments in the "In other media" section and not notable enough to have a separate article. Spidey104 21:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
No, same as always. (JoeLoeb (talk) 02:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC))
There does need to be some mention of JARVIS as an AI in the main article. JARVIS first appears in the appearances section as an AI and it is unclear whether it is related to the comic character. I'd do it myself but I am unsure of the etiquette. A sentence saying "JARVIS is also the name of an artificial intelligence that has appeared in animation and movies featuring Iron Man. It is not known if there is any relationship besides an homage to the comic book character." should do. But under a subhead? What level? 2001:558:6040:62:2D5C:A3FD:BC3:1C71 (talk) 06:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC).
Considering the fact that J.A.R.I.V.S. and Jarvis exist in two separate fictional multiverses, with the only ties being the name and the fact that they could both be considered a "personal assistant" the similarities are like having a personal chatterbot/automation system to having a butler. When I first tried to look up J.A.R.V.I.S. I was confused because it linked me to a butler. At the very least the reference should be at the top, not at the very bottom of the page. The marvel cinematic universe is different than the marvel universe, I think that all of the Marvel Cinematic multiverse characters should have a separate page than the Marvel Universe characters, I think this page should be spilt even if in the MCU stark's assistant was a real butler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeekX (talkcontribs) 19:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

AI Jarvis[edit]

Morning! I'm here because I'd like to request people's views on the naming of the AI Jarvis throughout the current Marvel Cinematic Universe. Even within one article, we're referring him to as either JARVIS or J.A.R.V.I.S. However, on checking the credits for The Avengers (the only one I own with him in), He's credited as "Jarvis". The only evidence we've got of the term to be an acronym comes from the novel, which doesn't maintain complete continuity, so it's highly likely it isn't an acronym, and the crediting of an official source puts it as non-capitalised. Can anyone with Iron Man 1/2 check how he is credited? Basically, I'd ask that, if the first two films confirm The Avengers' crediting, we refer to him in all MCU articles as "Jarvis". The different naming standards can be confusing to someone who knows what they mean, let alone a complete outsider. Thanks!  drewmunn  talk  10:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I think that any information about the AI Jarvis should be contained under the acronym "J.A.R.V.I.S." The rest of the article should be about the human character, and refer to him by his last name, "Jarvis". Fortdj33 (talk) 13:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
But if that goes against the source material, can we do it and remain factually accurate? WP:COMMONNAME might suffice, but can we prove that "J.A.R.V.I.S." is a common term used to refer to the AI, especially when it's normally pronounced "Jarvis", barely written? We generally stick to what's in the credits, rather than extrapolation from information given, as in the Ducard vs Ghul case.  drewmunn  talk  14:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I just checked, it's Jarvis in both Iron Man 1 & 2.--Krystaleen 15:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Cheers! So unless WP:COMMONNAME can trump it, I think we should standardise references.  drewmunn  talk  15:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I think that sticking to the credits (source material) is the best plan of action. Wickedlizzie (talk) 23:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
So...are we not doing this anymore? Argento Surfer (talk) 17:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

JARVIS in Marvel Heroes[edit]

JARVIS is a character to interact with in the new Marvel Heroes game, as a Gear Vendor.

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