Talk:Enrique Marquez Jr.

This article was nominated for deletion on 17 December 2015. The result of the discussion was redirect to 2015 San Bernardino attack#Enrique Marquez .

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page title. If anyone has a better suggestion than "accomplice", I'm all ears.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:43, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@E.M.Gregory: Hi, yes. Just saw this page while browsing the new pages feed and was wondering the same. I'm a bit concerned about the name when Mr. Marquez hasn't been convicted of anything. (Or even charged, yet.) I've raised it on the BLP noticeboard for discussion as I'm not sure of what it would be best to change the name to myself. Blythwood (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Blythwood I put the page up because all the major news outlets have the story that his indictment is pending. I would not have put the sotry up without that prompt. Once he's charged with something - and this may be like Al Capone, they may only charge him with violation of the laws on legal transfer of weapons at this point - but once they charge him with something, he certainly has the notoriety to support an article. BPL is for the protection of otherwise obscure people.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved this to Enrique Marquez (US citizen). The old name was no good per WP:BLP; you can't disambiguate by convicting the guy before trial. I considered "alleged accomplice" but that concerns me too. There is really not a lot of info about the guy to use to help disambiguate. I chose the one peice of information I knew for sure, and that clearly disambiguated him from the two other people named Enrique_Marquez. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- In particular, if someone thinks Enrique Marquez (United States) or Enrique Marquez (American) fits into our disambiguation schema and is less clunky, I've no objection. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:08, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the BLPCRIME concern with "accomplice" has been addressed, I don't think there's a great need to move until AfD resolves. While "US citizen" does distinguish him from the other people of this name, it's a pretty unusual, if not unique, disambiguator, and WP:D prescribes common disambiguators. I might suggest Enrique Marquez (California). (United States) is fine but awfully broad. --BDD (talk) 22:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 December 2015

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request. Currently, there is consensus to redirect the article on this topic to 2015 San Bernardino attack#Enrique Marquez, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enrique Marquez (accomplice). This does not change that. However, since that close is predicated on a status that may change – a real possibility of a future article being warranted – the topic name (and where its history should reside pending that eventuality) is important. The base title is [now] a DAB page, so we need the natural disambiguation provided by "Jr."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:03, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Enrique Marquez (US citizen) → Enrique Marquez Jr. – Full name of individual, "US Citizen" as descriptor is unusual - Cwobeel (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC) - Cwobeel (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This seems reasonable. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is no one at Enrique Marquez just a dab. So need for the Jr. Turn the Dab into Enrique Marquez (disambiguation) Legacypac (talk) 04:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no one person who is the primary topic, so it's better to keep Enrique Marquez as a redirect to the Enrique Márquez dab page, and have this person be one of the three people listed there. See also discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enrique Márquez. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- For that to be appropriate, this person would have to clearly have WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights for that name over anybody else listed on the dab page. But he doesn't, so for the moment Cwobeel's proposal is the best I've seen. Bearcat (talk) 18:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support unless somebody's got a better idea — the only other solutions I've seen so far are either declaring the guy convicted before he's even gone to trial, or giving him unearned PRIMARYTOPIC rights over at least two people who are considerably more famous. Technically under WP:PERP this article actually shouldn't exist at all until such time as he's actually been convicted of something, but I'm not personally willing to be the primary neck-sticker-outter on that. Bearcat (talk) 18:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You wouldn't have to be the primary neck-sticker-outer; it's already at AFD. I encourage you and anyone else with an informed opinion on this to go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enrique Marquez (accomplice), reflect on what's writ there, and voice your view. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:15, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Enrique Marquez Jr. works. I would also support removing Jr., as noted above. Meatsgains (talk) 02:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Marquez Criminal Case Documents (very rich!)

37 page detailed FBI affidavit. How to directly retrieve: here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.4.225 (talk) 22:35, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]