Talk:Folio

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The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 14:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Folio (printing) → Folio – This is the primary range of meanings of the term. This would necessitate moving Folio to Folio (disambiguation). Srnec (talk) Relisted (non-admin) Calidum Sistere 04:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC) 23:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support clearly. Should be proposed at Folio also though, imo. Johnbod (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
• Wow. Is there even an attempt to prove that assertion that the printing usage is the primary meaning of "folio"? Like, even an attempt? This and the other various folios put paid to any thought that folio (printing) is at all the primary topic here. Seriously. Oppose. Red Slash 05:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

• I don't try proving my assertions in requested moves. You can do Google searches on your own. Here is a push. Try foolscap + folio next to see what you get. Srnec (talk) 22:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you not know that it's important to use reliable sources at Wikipedia? Unsourced assertions, when they're challenged, don't do well. Check the page view stats for the several different titles at folio. I don't think there's a primary topic and if I'm not mistaken the burden falls on the proposer to at least give a hint to there being one. I'm really not sure what your Google Books search was intended to show. Red Slash 08:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support: Seems like the WP:PRIMARY meaning. I reviewed the other entries at Folio (disambiguation) and none of them seem like contenders. Most of them seem to derive their name from the printing format. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Did you check the pageview statistics? It's not even close, this is not the primary topic by that metric at least. Red Slash 10:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
    • The other uses of the plain word are way lower. That different compound terms that are derivatives of this sense, like First folio, also have high views only reinforces that this is the primary meaning. Johnbod (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Page views are very often not persuasive – especially when some uses are derivatives of others (as I discovered with Wild Turkey). I also agree with Johnbod's comment about uses of the plain word versus compound terms, and I wish Johnbod was around when I was trying to move Bourbon to Bourbon (disambiguation). —BarrelProof (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Agree – pageview stats are irrelevant here. Over a 90-day period, some of the figures are (approximately): Folio (printing) 14,000; Folio [disambig] 14,000; Foolscap folio 13,000; Folio (typeface) 1700. We don't know what those 14,000 who went to the disambig page were actually looking for, i.e. where they went next. However, it's a fair bet that a high proportion of the 13,000 who wanted to read about the modern paper size, Foolscap folio, started by searching under the full name, Foolscap folio, or else simply under Foolscap (the term by which the paper size is almost invariably known in the English-speaking world), and very few under Folio (an abbreviation limited to Latin America, as far as I can see). GrindtXX (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support. The original meaning of Folio was a sheet of paper (the Latin word means simply leaf), from which several modern meanings are derived, three of which are covered by this article. All the other articles listed on the disambig page are essentially second- or third-generation derivatives. This article should clearly be regarded as primary. I do have problems with the present title, Folio (printing): (a) because, as the article says, the sense of folio to mean a page of a book is used predominantly in reference to manuscript rather than printed books; and (b) because there's clearly scope for confusion for readers who are actually looking for Folio (typeface). However, those problems would be resolved if the title were simplified to Folio. GrindtXX (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• Comment this is an improperly formatted multimove, someone should fix that. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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What does ff. mean? The British Library uses it with one or two numbers after it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:4D81:1000:F4D3:C36A:CD69:8C05 (talk) 20:03, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

"ff." and "f." are for folia what "pp." and "p." are for page numbers. The only difference you may notice with folia numbering is an additional "v" or "r" to signify what face of the folium it refers to - either "verso" or "recto". So, you might come across a reference like "ff. 57v-63r" meaning, 'all sides of the folia from second side of folium 57 to the first side of folium 63, inclusively'. Sorry the answer is three years late. Twomatters (talk) 05:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)