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If someone could replace the diagram with a better one, that'd be great. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Whats wrong with my diagram? quercus robur 01:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
If the handwritten text was replaced by one of these new fangled font things it might be easier to read. --Salix alba (talk) 02:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, but the captions are actually also included in the body text just above the diagram quercus robur 10:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
If you drew it using a computer based drawing package, or edited the scanned diagram, so that the background is white rather than grey, that would be fantastic.
Done. quercus robur 09:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Only fully developed working permaculture site in the UK?[edit]

Robert Harts garden has been described as possibly the only fully developed working permaculture site in the UK. Do we have a reference for this? --Salix alba (talk) 15:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it may have been Patrick Whitefield, but can't be sure... Or maybe it was uncle Bill Mollison?? quercus robur 16:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

anyway i removed the claim, i have seen the site when hart was still alive and it would not even go as far as calling it a working garden. does it actually still exist? Madbishop 14:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


The article includes substantial links. I think those count as references for any practical purpose, so I removed the references warning. Ray Van De Walker 05:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

3-dimensional gardening[edit]

3-D Gardening is a stupid term. All gardening is actually 4-dimensional since it requires time for the plants to grow. I took that out since it was un-cited and unnecessary. - Plant Scientist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

It does make sense as most of are fields are layed out in 2D without really utilising the vertical dimension. I'll leave the removal of the term from the articl as there is not a good reference. --Salix (talk): 07:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to add this suggested reference[edit]

The concept of forest gardening is integrated in an agroforestry training course described by a document disseminated by Trees for the Future, Inc., a non-profit tree-planting organization based in Silver Spring, Md. The document identifies "Expansion of agricultural land and a variety of human activities" as forces that "have led to deforestation and land degradation in many parts of the world. If this continues, the potential contribution of forests to economic development and ecological stability will not be realized. Developing new natural resource management techniques to address such devastating environmental degradation is important for our rapidly growing world. The lack of training materials for land management, reforestation and agroforestry in many developing nations makes the problem worse." The organization's training guide "Taking Action, Reaching Out," aims to provide the information that will support sustainable land management for economic development that avoids environmental degradation. The publication concludes with a 38-question test leading to a certificate in agroforestry.


"Taking Action, Reaching Out" (agroforestry training manual), Trees for the Future, Silver Spring, Md.,

Can someone who knows editing in a wiki article put this in the right format? Thank you. I'm just a reader and I found this Forest Gardening manual quite helpful.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theebookman (talkcontribs) 00:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

added note:

Letter to the editor of the Forest Gardening article. in Wikipedia...

I am a consultant for abatement of carbon emissions and one of the most effective remedies is to connect forest gardens with sequestration of carbon. The trees planted to absorb carbon are guarded by the local farmers because the concept of the forest garden has shown the farmers that the trees are more valuable in the ground, as the spine of the Forest Garden, than when turned into lumber or firewood. Dave Deppner and the team at TREES in Silver Spring, MD, have produced a useful text that could usefully be added to your list of resources at the end of your wiki article about Forest Gardening. Can you add the link ?


Steve McCrea Consulttant

TO CONTACT Trees for the Future, publishers of a book about Forest Gardens, please write to

THANK YOU, I hope I haven't created a lot of work for someone by adding this to the discussion page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theebookman (talkcontribs) 00:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Traditional forest gardens in various countries[edit]

It would be good to see some info about traditional forest gardening / agroforestry in various countries. An example would be Kandyan Forest Gardens in Sri Lanka [1]. I haven't added this to the article as it doesn't make sense to add a single country example. Stainless steel cat (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed we should mention these, [2] mentions several other types as well "the huertos familiares , the "family orchards" of Mexico, and the pekarangan, the gardens of "complete design" of Java." --Salix (talk): 23:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

Proposal - Jarble has proposed that home garden be merged into this article.

Support - Fair enough. Nirvana2013 (talk) 22:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 Done - No objections raised. Nirvana2013 (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


This section needs its references given in full and in standard format. It probably also needs additional references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noyster (talkcontribs) 12:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Dubious dates for Robert Hart[edit]

The period when Robert Hart developed his variation on forest gardening, which is stated with a source to be in the 1980s seems dubious. He says that he was inspired to develop these techniques when reading an article as background for his 1967 book, but his publications have no statement that I can find about when he started forest gardening, as distinct from the forest farming that he had practiced earlier. "During the 1980s" seems unlikely as the period for development, however, that is when his published analyses were published. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

The citation I've listed says he coined the term "forest gardening" in the 1980s (even though similar methods were practiced in other parts of the world). I remember reading somewhere in Hart's books that his methods at Wenlock Edge were a progression from smallholding with animal husbandry (in the 60s/70s?) to forest gardening. This development may have taken over a decade to complete. As far as I'm aware it all came together in the 80s, culminating in interest from Bill Mollison and Martin Crawford in the 90s. Feel free to cite a source which states he started forest gardening earlier than the 80s. I guess we will need a source in addition to just Hart's own books. Nirvana2013 (talk) 09:33, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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