Talk:Forgiveness

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Rationale for "Undue weight" template placed in ACIM section?[edit]

An "Undue Weight" template has been placed in the ACIM section requesting a discussion regarding the template, but offering no explanation or discussion here. Could the editor who placed the template there please explain or elaborate on his or her rationale for inserting the template? Thanks. Scott P. (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Scope of the article - forgiveness other than as a religious concept[edit]

The lion's share of this article - and indeed even of the discussions on this page - appear to revolve around forgiveness within a religious context.

Clearly, forgiveness is an important facet of many, or possibly all, religions and I would certainly not want to suggest that what has been written in this article about that be reduced. However, it is not solely a religious concept. On the contrary there are many other aspects - emotional, psychological, societal, judicial, etc. that are not really covered in any detail by this article; and I feel the article is the poorer for it.

I came to this article looking for some information on forgiveness as an emotional process. I was able to read some interesting information regarding various philosphies' teachings on the spiritual side of forgiveness, but I am sadly none the wiser on the more down-to-earth details, such as can be found for example in the article on grief.

I don't feel suitably knowledgeable to add this information myself, but were someone else to do so, I think it could improve the article immeasurably. P M C 23:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


Why is the obvious cure for anger (takes 2 seconds) not promoted very much?

Forgiveness cures anger, every single time. If you are capable of getting angry you are capable of doing the cure - forgiveness. People only kind of know this though. Ask around. Ask your friends, therapists, counselors, coaches, mentors, teachers, parents, communication consultants, or professors. Ask them what is the ONE simple thing to cure your anger. And the vast majority of them can not tell you it is forgiveness. Why not? They all know that forgiveness cures anger because as soon as you tell them what it is then they act like they knew it all along. "Oh, ya, I knew that." Only, even then, they still don't use it or say it directly. People (especially professionals) refuse to say, "Forgiveness cures anger." Can we have a heading of, "Forgiveness cures anger"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobyjensen (talkcontribs) 15:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Expand definition of forgiveness?[edit]

The article currently says "Forgiveness is the ... cessation of resentment etc... as a result of a perceived offence, disagreement, or mistake"

However, these are examples of relatively easy to have sex. What about DIFFICULT offences to forgive, such as malicious, ongoing, unrepentant, actual harms? Or serious harms to one's family? Should these be included in this sentence... or is forgiveness actually only about the easy stuff? I actually would like to know. Tina Kimmel (talk) 15:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of "Forgiveness"[edit]

The first paragraph of the lede currently says:

Forgiveness is the intentional and voluntary process by which a victim undergoes a change in feelings and attitude regarding an offense, lets go of negative emotions such as vengefulness, with an increased ability to wish the offender well.[1][2][3] Forgiveness is different from condoning (failing to see the action as wrong and in need of forgiveness), excusing (not holding the offender as responsible for the action), pardoning (granted by a representative of society, such as a judge), forgetting (removing awareness of the offense from consciousness), and reconciliation (restoration of a relationship).[1]

(My bolding). Now, I've certainly seen and heard people use the term this way, particularly when arguing that forgiveness is a good thing for the person forgiving (as it removed resentment and negative feeling). But I'm very dubious about the claim that it doesn't (or can't) mean excusing or pardoning. I'm pretty sure this was the original meaning, and a lot of dictionaries still give this as the primary meaning (e.g.). This also seems (my opinion, admittedly) to be a traditional religious meaning (when the Bible says God forgives people who repent, that means He's not going to punish people for their sins, not that He is going to stop feeling bitter but send you to Hell anyway). The lede seems to be pushing a particular (limited, modern) point of view that is definitely different from what "forgiveness" traditionally meant, and is probably different from how many or most people still use the term. Iapetus (talk) 11:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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