Talk:Frankie Boyle

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anti-Semitism[edit]

Under controversy, it is said that the BBC trust was 'forced' to apologize for an anti-Semitic comment by Frankie Boyle. The article it links do does not say that the BBC trust was compelled to do so by any external means, so the language employed is deceptive, inaccurate and unneccessary.

Religion[edit]

Should Boyle be listed as a Scottish Roman Catholic? He may well have attended a Catholic school (being of Irish ancestry) but has he ever declared himself to be a believer, or a follower of Catholic ideology? I can't recall him mentioning or making jokes about religion, so he may have more respect for it than some comics, but we'd need a source directly identifying him as Catholic for him to be grouped as such.--MartinUK (talk) 09:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

No he should not. There isn't any evidence out there of any religious beliefs in the man.--EchetusXe (talk) 00:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Come to think of it whats the justification for Scots of Irish descent? Doesn't appear to be anything linking Frankie to Ireland. My guess is that someone has been that he went to Catholic school in Scotland and so therefore must claim Irish ancestry somewhere down the line. No, that won't do. Until Frankie is shown to have an Irish father/mother/grandparent or at the very least claims himself to have Irish roots then I say we remove the Irish thing. 100% Scottish on evidence we have so far (and therefore claims British nationality along with Scottish).--EchetusXe (talk) 01:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Obviously if he doesn't claim any Irish ancestry himself then you are absolutely correct. To say he is 100% Scottish however is simplistic considering he has an Irish surname. If he had an obviously Italian of Polish surname would he be '100% Scottish on evidence we have so far'? Or would it be safe to conclude he be of Italian or Polish descent somewhere along the line? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.234.187 (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

he has mentioned a couple of times on Mock The Week that he is atheist and doesnt believe in a god —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.43.255 (talk) 19:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Both his parents are Irish. His autobiography is out soon, so everything will become clear!

Name[edit]

It seems that his name was Francis until mid March, now it seems to be "Frankworth". Japery afoot there I think.

Yes also; "engaged in an ongoing struggle against alcholism and deoderant." What does that even mean? And deodorant is spelled wrong in any case. I might remove suspicious looking terms like this in the near future when I have some time. Primal Eighties (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Entertainingly, using the info in this article I can only deduce that Frankie Boyle, among his other achievements, is the only human male to have successfully given birth. Nice. 92.21.36.93 (talk) 02:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

As I can find no source for the statement that he is a reocvering alcoholic and heroin addict, I'm going to remove this line. Feel free to revert if you can source. Spuddock (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The current personal information wording is somewhat dubious... "He has a four year old daughter and a nine month old son. He is a recovering alcoholic, who ceased drinking in the late 1990s". I find this astonishing that his 9 month old son can be a recovering alcoholic from the 1990's, still kids start young these days (and in this case at least 9 years before he was born). 212.69.61.195 (talk) 09:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Good point, but as this is Wikipedia anyone is free to change something if they see it. Spuddock (talk) 08:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

live at the appollo[edit]

I have seen him on two episodes of this (on Dave) The number of episodes should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.245.135 (talk) 03:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: frankie boyle pic[edit]

The image is an OFFICIAL portrait of Mr Boyle - freely available from many places, it just happened that the first one that appeared from my search was from Metro newspaper's website.... and one I SERIOUSLY doubt they had copyright over anyway... :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.245.155 (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Personal Details.[edit]

His personal details now say he is married and has two daughters. Previously he has had a girlfriend, a daughter and a son. There are no citations for either of these. Does anyone know for sure whether he is married and the sexes of his children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryas zehral (talkcontribs) 02:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

He has a daughter and a smaller son, I don't think he's married (at least he always talks about his partner as girlfriend) and I don't thinks is daughter was from a previous marriage, as it is told in the article. I don't think he has ever been married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.84.129.150 (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

In his live show December 2008, he mentioned spending Christmas with "my two kids and their two mothers - wish me luck", but I have no idea if that's actually true or just something he said (he's a comedian. It was funny). An ex-wife is mentioned in one interview I can find. I think I've seen him referred to as divorced in a terrible tabloid article, but if it shows up in a terrible tabloid article, it's probably NOT true. 92.232.179.20 (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Frankie Boyle has claimed to be higher up on the autistic spectrum with his quote "all comedians are semi-autistic". He also mentions and jokes about autism and aspergers with an understanding of the mindsets. His humour itself has a strong aspergers quality about it, people higher up on the autistic spectrum may be offended by things "normal" people are not and may be tolerant of things "normal" people are not, his sense of humour seems to be more of a social experiment, he revels in how primitive people appear to him when their conformist masks are shattered by his uncompromising and non-conforming humour. This is almost like "the revenge of aspergers"; if society can be so illogical, demanding, uncompromising and offensive at least Frankie can flip it around when he is on the stage. As for the complaints about him, they may as well push for a law disallowing any autistic comedians since yes being higher up on the autistic spectrum will give you a different sense of humour. Funny how the people who complain about Frankie's humour are complaining because they think he's the one who's prejudiced. 92.24.255.27 (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

As an Aspie myself, I have to say I disagree. I think he's often offensive just for the sake of it.--Nozzer71 (talk) 11:33, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

English Media[edit]

Can we please change it from english media to british media in the humour section? i f***ing hate people using the word english instead of british particularly when talking about a scottish person. --Ranaldbaird (talk) 23:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with changing it, British is the correct term. 4I7.4I7 12:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Done. 4I7.4I7 12:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Nationality[edit]

OK so how should I gain consensus? Do we need to have a discussion here? Munci (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes you have to see if people agree with you after we discuss the edit. I believe the fact that it describes him as Scottish in the opening line as sufficient and there's no need to repeat in the infobox, especially considering as British is more accurate for nationality. Giving both is more NPOV and allows the readers to see both.MITH 18:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Could we maybe put both Nationality and citizenship in the box separately then? Munci (talk) 19:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The infobox template doesn't allow you to do that. But sure it already says both on the article overall anyway.MITH 19:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Why would British be a more accurate description? Simply moving doesn't change your nationality. Your nationality is decided from birth, or by having your citizenship in your home country revoked. He's Scottish. He was born there, and lived there most of his life. Moving to Britain for his career doesn't change that. 70.50.190.4 (talk) 19:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense! Nationality is the legal relationship between a person and a state. Yes, it is initially decided from birth, but it can easily change. If you're born in Britain with British parents you are British. If you later decided to emigrate to and became naturalised in Germany your nationality would change to German! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.149.5 (talk) 15:46, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I take you're American then? For example - "He's Scottish. He was born there, and lived there most of his life. Moving to Britain for his career doesn't change that.". Geography fail! Look up United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.51.19 (talk) 19:32, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

The fact that Boyle has a nickel allergy doesn't seem especially notable, and trivia such as this doesn't really belong in Wikipedia ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 15:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

On the contrary, documenting allergy details of various people could be of immense value if they ever make a bid for world domination —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.88.72 (talk) 22:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Frankie Boyle left?[edit]

I've heard rumours, can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.78.234.9 (talk) 14:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, he said it himself

Image[edit]

Any chance we can find an image for this article. I think it's important that we have something to go with the article, but can't find anything that qualifies as fair usage. TomBeasley (talk) 19:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Free photographs of comedians are notoriously difficult to get - I once emailed a company that handles media relations for a load, they replied a few time but then stopped :) . FLickr enquiries might prove a better bet. On a related note, I don't think your inclusion of the front cover of the book and to a lesser extent the DVD qualifies for fair use either, unless you actually talk about the covers themselves int eh prose. - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 17:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

If I create a screenshot of Boyle performing myself, could I upload that?

Do the lesser images not qualify purely for identification? TomBeasley (talk) 19:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Poor wording in Controversy section[edit]

The sentence 'The material Boyle uses is often shocking in nature and about as near to the knuckle as a performer can be' strikes me as pretty POV. Can anyone remove / re-word this? It's semi-protected and I don't have tenure, apparently.

I'm not sure I like 'The way his material works mean that he attracts controversy' either. Sounds like someone's trying to justify him. Although that may be a bit nit-picky on my part Bluebloodyhero (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the paragraph in question. Not really necessary for understanding of the issues. TomBeasley (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

New controversy breaking today Frankie Boyle criticised for Down's syndrome jokeThis is a current news-item and needs to be included. I don't have editing 'powers'. Furious mother confronts comic Frankie Boyle over jokes about Down's syndrome victims Furious mother confronts comic Frankie Boyle over jokes about Down's syndrome victims Boyle in Down's syndrome row

Thanx Veryscarymary (talk) 13:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I came onto Wiki planning to do this anyway, so I'll do it. TomBeasley (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Completed now. TomBeasley (talk) 14:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanx for swift edit Tom please would you change "suffering from the illness." to "with the same learning disability" it's not correct to call a person with Down's Syndrome as having 'an illness' as it can't be cured, it's life-long and incurable. I quote from the below PDF: "Down's syndrome is not an illness or a disease, so it is not accurate to say that someone is "suffering" from Down's syndrome. Many people talk about "a Down's syndrome person" or a "Down's" but it should be recognised that they are a person first and foremost and it is therefore more appropriate to talk about a "person with Down’s syndrome". People with Down’s syndrome all have some degree of learning disability." Fact Sheet from Mencap about Down's Syndrome Veryscarymary (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Can I second this request please (as it is my daughter that the article refers to. She does not suffer from any illness. She has a genetic condition, so i am happy with Veryscarymary's wording of 'with the same learning disability' or you could use 'with this genetic condition'. Thank you (KieronJS (talk) 07:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC))

No problem. Many apologies for the dodgy wording. TomBeasley (talk) 11:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Quote from Mathew Horne[edit]

Can we remove this? I don't really feel the quote is relevant as, firstly, it's just someone's opinion and, secondly, since when did Mathew Horne (who can't spell his own first name properly) know anything about comedy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.219.160 (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I added it partly because it is more detail on the issue and also partly because several of the news outlets were also quoting him. TomBeasley (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

In that case it should be rephrased as "Mathew Horne was quoted in many articles as..." for example, in order to make the article less journalist-like and more factual/ impartial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.219.160 (talk) 18:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I shall do that now. TomBeasley (talk) 21:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Israel controversy[edit]

Boyle has responded to the Israel joke controversy by writing a open letter [here|http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2010/04/30/10922/frankie_boyle%3A_bbc_are_cowards] accusing the BBC of cowardice and outlining his view on the Israel-Palestine conflict. In the interests of balance and also because his statement is obviously relevant, it might be wise to include some info on this and one or two quotes, I'd have done it myself but the article is protected. 92.9.26.112 (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 81.103.45.121, 13 May 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} he was brought up in pollokshaws not pollokshields, i know his brother he was brought up in pollokshaws

81.103.45.121 (talk) 22:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. fetch·comms 22:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
How about source:My Shit Life so Far, by Frankie Boyle? Or just google it, it's not difficult info to find. 92.0.48.35 (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Katie Price controversy[edit]

Recounting Boyle's joke about Katie Price's disabled son in full isn't in keeping with the rest of the article, nor is it necessary. Surely it is enough to refer to "remarks" about the boy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.64.80 (talk) 09:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The joke should be recounted in full. It is useful to be able to see it so people can form their own conclusions. The media has mostly portrayed it as some sort of campaign against disabled people, but another way of looking at it would be he has made a lewd sexual joke, prefixed by a misdirection to make you think he's mocking Harvey's disability. Deleting the joke would take away our ability to have both sides of the story, a neutral point of view to base our own research or opinions on. 87.113.117.202 (talk) 22:43, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
For example The Times newspaper stated [1] he suffers from a hormonal deficiency caused by septo-optic dysplasia in relation to a controversy caused by Heat magazine (and nothing to do with Boyle). If you didn't know what septo-optic dysplasia is, this could easily leave you with the impression that the sexual joke was related to his disability, given the prevalence of talking about hormones in relation to reproduction. Without looking up what septo-optic dysplasia is, this would leave you with the impression he is making a joke about his disability again. While not relevant enough to include in the article on Boyle, it shows how easy it is to come to a conclusion which is quite possibly (although I'm undecided if it is in fact) wrong. 87.113.117.202 (talk) 23:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

In October 2008, during the Russell Brand Show prank telephone calls row, Boyle found himself in the midst of a scandal when the BBC broadcast a Mock The Week repeat in which he made a joke about the Queen that was considered offensive.[26] This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment".[27] Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist".[28] Despite the media backlash, fellow comic Dara Ó Briain spoke out against the reaction saying: "not every TV show is for everyone".[29]

Dara Ó Briain is correct, of course. Personally, I can't stand about 80% of the BBC's output, but guess what - I don't watch it. I have discovered that there are other channels you can switch to, or if you're lucky like me, your TV may even have an "off" button, and you can go out and do something else. It's funny, isnt it, how when someone makes a typically contraversial joke about the Queen, or about some brainless celebrity and her grotty spawn, the moral majority get on their high horses about it, including David Davies, obviously keen to point himself out to everyone now he won't stand a chance of being PM anymore.... but when someone like Bernard Manning used to offend about half the population, that was perfectly OK. Britain's biggest export - DOUBLE STANDARDS. Bunch of arse. StanPomeray (talk) 15:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)y

The irony of that comment is that, in fact, Frankie Boyle is feted by the chateratti and the trendy while Manning is excoriated. As far as i can see they are both cut from the same cloth. 86.162.63.131 (talk) 22:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

No irony in that comment at all. Read it again - (or read it for the first time because you obviously have bugger all understanding of what I was saying) - Boyle and Manning both take the piss out of people, yes. But Boyle does it to people who have chosen to put themselves in the spotlight, mostly for the sake of being a "celeb" with no talent whatsoever, and try to earn a fat salary out of it. Manning did it to people becuase they happened to be black, or asian, or some other "non white" foreign stereotype. You don't get to choose your ethnicity! So clearly they are NOT cut from the same cloth. And I also dispute the idea that Boyle is "feted by the chateratti" - he writes a column for the bloody Sun! That is hardly a journal of the elitists, is it? I should think about your so called theories before you spout them, "Man of the bloody people". StanPomeray (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Political stance.[edit]

Why is Frankie's Political Stance not put under the personal section? He talks about being a follower of Noam Chomsky in his Autobiography. He also talks about his left-wing views in many aritcles such as this one: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/stage/comedy/article5037516.ece 87.112.114.111 (talk) 20:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC) Dorian

Controversy[edit]

The Adlington controversy only started after the programme was repeated. 86.44.78.37 (talk) 16:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The entire section needs a rewrite, or preferably be removed entirely. He specificaly deals with controversial material, if we list every single person he makes a risky joke about, the article will quickly become even more bogged down with examples than it already is. Other controversial comedians don't have every little offense dissected, and it's a waste of time and space to have so many trivial incidents detailed. It should simply be something like "his material is often highly controversial, most notably" and then have a couple examples. To me, it's like people complaining that racecar drivers are speeding and a detailed list of just how far over they were going during each race. It's not real life, or meant to be serious; it's a joke, and people being offended is part of being a comedian. It is not worth mentioning unless there is something particularly important about the joke, person affected, or aftermath. A few people directly related to the person who the joke is about getting annoyed is not controversy. It should just be a few sentences in the beginning describing his comedic style and overall history.

I also really cannot emphasize how VERY biased the section on Harvey Price reads. It was a joke not meant to be taken seriously. Bullying is serious. The MANY quotes addressing it are overkill, irrelevant, and just pulling on heart-strings in an attempt to vilify Boyle. I think it was a joke in poor taste for sure, but Jesus Christ, it WAS a joke, people. 70.50.190.4 (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

OK... so there was a jew, a black man and a spastic...it's just a joke not meant to be taken seriously. that must be ok then. 86.162.63.131 (talk) 22:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Thedoctor98 (talk) 08:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC) Don't forget this is aimed at Katie Price, not at her son. The joke is about the woman and who she is dating, and Frankie Boyle's "theory" as to why they're in a relationship. It's not a direct attack on the boy. A boy who, in my opinion, was forced into the spotlight by his mother. But the joke is about the mother and the relationship.

Harvey Price comment[edit]

"In December 2010, both Katie Price and Peter Andre were said to have been left "absolutely disgusted and sickened" by a joke made about Price's heavily disabled son, Harvey, that was made on Frankie Boyle’s Tramadol Nights."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were these lines (as mentioned elsewhere in the section I'm quoting) not in Mock the Week or another show? I'm fairly sure that either it wasn't in Tramadol Nights or he said the same joke elsewhere as well (which is a regular occurrence for him, makes it hard to watch him in many shows)...I ask this because I am not much of a fan of the show and I remember him saying the lines so I think it might have been another show. If he said it in more than one place, dates of broadcast should be checked and the first instance used. 87.194.84.44 (talk) 22:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Missing information in controversy section.[edit]

I read the controversy section and learned that he has offended people with some jokes. What jokes though? Why aren't the jokes quoted? Muleattack (talk) 18:03, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The jokes themselves are a vital part of the historical record. I understand the desire not to include them, to rise above the more desperate members of the British press and their reprinting of his jokes in little frankie boyle controversy sections of their own, but why pretend that the initial spark of a controversy isn't relevant? How people reacted doesn't make sense without the context of the joke. It can't be fear, there are articles that contain pictures of naked people, and I think going to Frankie Boyle's wikipedia page could be viewed as consent to have your sensibilities in no way affected by strings of words. (2001:630:E4:42FD:8000:0:36:5F4C (talk) 03:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC))

Jerry Sadowitz[edit]

I have removed the claim that Jerry Sadowitz is an influence as I do not think the sources given are sufficient. One (Knot FM) is basically an advertisement for Sadowitz's tour, one is an opinion column in the Daily Mail. The Guardian piece is an interview with Sadowitz which briefly mentions Boyle but does not support the claim that Boyle was influenced by Sadowitz. January (talk) 16:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the article of Sadowitz, Frankie is listed among those he supposedly influenced. It looks cited but I'm not sure about this. These guys are two different styles. Dapi89 (talk) 20:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:BLPSOURCES[edit]

Just a reminder; Frankie Boyle is a living person and so we cannot use tabloid sources here. Feel absolutely free to replace any removed material using better sources. Raise it here if there is any doubt. --John (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Jerry Sadowitz (2)[edit]

Sadowitz has once again been added to the infobox as an influence on Boyle, cited to [2]. I can't see anywhere in this source which verifies this, the only place Boyle even appears to be mentioned is in reader-submitted reviews which are not acceptable sources. January (talk) 18:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

"Recovering alcoholic"[edit]

Could do to change the wording of this. From a Scotland Herald interview: "I don't believe in alcoholism and how it's presented. I don't believe I'm a recovering alcoholic - I'm someone who used to drink."

Source: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12607908.How_Frankie_Boyle_came_back_from_the_dead/

Tabloid-sourced material[edit]

As a reminder, per WP:BLPSOURCES, we cannot use tabloid sources to support material on this article. --John (talk) 13:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Dates, app & browser version[edit]

First sentence of first paragraph, the dates given in brackets. In the app there are two dates given. When looking at the page using a browser (Firefox) there's just his birth.

Francis Martin Patrick "Frankie" Boyle[1] (born 16 August 1972 - 15 May 2018)...

If it's meant to be that he died, I've missed it and didn't find it on a google search. 94.119.64.1 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Frankie Goes to Russia (2018)[edit]

A section/page should be added covering the new BBC comedy/documentary specials "Frankie Goes to Russia"[1], regarding his interviews during the 2018 World Cup in Russia

References

  1. ^ "BBC Two - Frankie Goes to Russia". BBC. Retrieved 17 July 2018.