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influence by John Foxx Ultravox[edit]

here is a video showing Numan Talking about Ultravox and their influence on him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJbmUbCh18

Can someone put this reference in where it belongs? Thanks

TJ (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

having looked at the video once more I think that there is good cause to amend the text to read "Numan has cited John Foxx Ultravox as his primary source of inspration as well as Bowie (citation Needed) and Bolan (citation needed."

I have been a Numan fan for many years and have to confess that whilst I have heard him refer to John Foxx Ultravox often I have not heard him attribute any musical influence to either Bowie or Bolan. It was very fashionable for music journalists in that era to attribute influence to those two as they were part of the "Canon", which Ultravox never have been. Perhaps that is where it comes from. It isn't what the man himself says, though, as the video makes clear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJbmUbCh18

TJ (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


Unjustified reverse editing[edit]

An user has arbitrarily undone all the edits I did on this article WITHOUT commenting about the whys and hows. That is why I again reverted everything to where it stated after I was done. If he does it again, without justification on this page, I will report that user to Wiki. Max Ventura, Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.160.140.5 (talk) 18:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Here we go, i have logged in now.Max ventura (talk) 12:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Lack of success in America[edit]

Why is it that he only had 2 hits in the United States but so many in the United Kingdom?

He only had the one hit, Cars. Hence his status as a "one-hit wonder". - Numanoid
He did have one US dance hit. 67.188.172.165 21:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Simple Question (lyrics)[edit]

My favourite song is "Are friends electric?". I have a question concerning the lyrics:
So now I'm alone
Now I can think for myself
About little deals
And S.U's
And things that I just don't understand
What sort of "SU" is meant? -- Simplicius 10:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Not that this is really the appropriate forum for such a discussion but if you check out the "Are 'Friends' Electric?" page, you'll find the answer to your question... Cheers, Ian Rose 11:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not realize that songs have their own articles.
I found the answer. Thank you very much indeed! -- Simplicius 13:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Wait, isn't "S.U.s" the British way of pronouncing "issues"? And FWIW, I went to the main page of that article, and it doesn't explain it at all. 216.99.219.219 (talk) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Update the picture?[edit]

Would it be plausible to update his picture to better reflect his image today? Numanoid 16:47, 21 October, 2006

Radio One ban?[edit]

I'm not convinced by the line "he was officially banned from the UK's BBC Radio One". I don't think any such list of officially banned artists existed. Is there a citation for this? currybet 11:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
You are correct. Radio 1 never actually "bans" anything. Records are just removed from its playlist. Article amended to reflect this. Jezzerk 23:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


Copyvio?[edit]

I can't place my finger on it, but the phrasing in the article is very similar to that of a previous biography of Numan: "the tail end of the 1970s"; "the cinematic Down in the Park"; "He wore costumes and make-up and openly proclaimed his influences" and "punky demos" (the last of which I earlier edited out) all sound like they were lifted from somewhere else, possibly a magazine article.

I haven't put a copyvio tago on the article for the reason that I can't find the source from which this seems to have originated. However, the article should probably be drastically rephrased to address this.  ProhibitOnions  (T) 11:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

As a long-time Numan aficionado I've read a lot of articles and those phrases (all of which, incidentally, have been in this page for as long as I've been on Wikipedia, i.e. a year) don't leap out as having been directly borrowed, or I would've changed them myself. However I may have simply missed the relevant article...! The page needs more citations anyway, which I was hoping to get round to before EOY so I might modify some of that phrasing at the same time, just in case... Cheers, Ian Rose 13:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The Race[edit]

I updated regarding his part in the UK reality show The Race. I'm from the US, so I unfortunately never got to see the show, and therefore was only able to get little bits and pieces from what information I've conjured up. If anyone wants to clean it up with some extended information, that'd be great. -- Numanoid 05:03 EST, December 2nd, 2006

G'day, mate. While it's worth putting in a bit of info about that, I think there's more detail than fits the siginificance of the event. Also question whether it's approp. under 'Career' or might not be better under 'Personal life'. Granted he was presumably in it because he's a celeb, i.e. because of his career, but he's also a longtime car enthusiast, so it might work better under a 'Cars' subsection in 'Personal life' (there should be a 'Flying' subsection in there as well). I'll get round to this sometime in the next few weeks if no-one else does. Cheers, Ian Rose 00:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The plurality of miscarriages[edit]

While I haven't edited it, I only recall through interviews that Gary and Gemma only had to deal with one miscarriage, not a "series" of them, or IVF attempts. Is there any way to prove there was ever more than one miscarriage? -- Numanoid 04:23 EST, December 14th, 2006


Excuse me, guys, but is this really a topic worth exploring? I mean, encyclopaedia and all very well, but discretion is advised when dealing with such issues; and more than anything, do we really need this info? I am going ahead and smooth that out, please leave it like that. 94.161.138.99 (talk) 08:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)Max Ventura, Italy.

Birth date[edit]

Hey, the page says Numan is born both 1968 and 1958. Please correct this. I could not find out how to do it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.236.244.216 (talkcontribs) 18:36, 14 December, 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that was fixed a few days ago... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose 00:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Gary's Mod?[edit]

Can someone explain why we have the disambig at the top to Garry's Mod, the name of which is nothing like Gary Numan? How would we confuse them? Thanks. 75.68.6.81 15:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If you go to the Garry's Mod page, you will see that the device was designed by "Garry Newman," hence the name Garry's Mod.Nuzz604 06:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Sampling[edit]

I believe I saw an interview in which Numan said he was vehemently opposed to music sampling. Should this be included somehow?

Unless you provide a source for that information, then no. A claim like that would be exceptionally sketchy, considering he openly approved and praised Sugababes' "Freak Like Me", which sampled Are 'Friends' Electric. -- Numanoid 09:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Support for Conservative Party[edit]

Gary Numan was for a long time vilified in the music press as this article points out. This was mainly because of his vocal support of free-market capitalism and his explicit support for the Conservative Party. He later came to view these opinions and the manner in which he expressed them as naive. I cannot provide citations for these statements but you will find that they are true if you wish to hunt down the documentary produced for British TV early this century. Just thought it would be helpful to pinpoint for your readers the reason for the vigorous criticism leveled at Numan despite his musical accomplishments.

The whole article needs more citations, which I will eventually get round to if no-one else does. I can vouch for your recollection of all of the above and will see if I can find something in writing. Cheers, Ian Rose 01:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, something along these lines is mentioned in the liner notes of Metal Rhythm (the reissue that is). There's definately some talk of Gary's support of Thatcherism on liner notes of one of his albums. I'll try to check it up when I get home. -- Kjet 10:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


WAY, WAY, WAY too many citations and quotes for a topic that is only partially relevant to the article. Way too many. I compressed them. 94.161.177.141 (talk) 12:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC) Max Ventura, Italy.

Numa Records folding & the Ghost album[edit]

Just something that occurred to me today... the article right now states that Numa Records folded after the release of of Strange Charm in 1986. If that is the case, which record company originally released the Ghost live album in 1987? If I remember correctly, Numan's deal with IRS was for only three albums (Metal Rhythm, The Skin Mechanic and Outland), so Ghost could not have been a part of that deal (plus Ghost was reissued in 2003 by Eagle Records, whereas the IRS albums have been reissued by EMI). So did Numa actually survive until 1987 (in which case the article should be amended accordingly), or did Gary have some sort of an odd one-album deal for Ghost? -- Kjet 09:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if this helps but Ghost was originally released only as a fan club mail order. It didn't go on general release until the CD version in 92. -- JD554 09:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Got it in one, JD. Electric Pioneer confirms the original fan club release in 1988 and the first release to the public in 1992. The original catalogue number was NUMA1007. However Numa wasn't considered a going concern after Strange Charm in 1986 so I think you can leave the article as is. Reading up on it though, the curious thing is that I could swear I saw Ghost in the shops Down Under around '88, about the same time as Exhibition came out. I remember Ghost well 'cos the cover shot was so lousy I didn't even bother giving it a listen. Still, enough of my mis-spent youth haunting the record stores (if anyone can remember them)... Cheers, Ian Rose 10:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Thnks for the clarifications, guys. Although Ian, you maybe should check up on Ghost being sold in record stores back in the day. Although I guess the probably explanation is that they ordered a few from the fan club and then put them up for sale normally. We've got a local shop (yeah, we've still got them!) that keeps doing the same thing. And yeah, the cover of Ghost is lousy (not quite as bad as Dream Corrosion though). No wonder Eagle decided to re-do the covers for the 2003 reissues. -- Kjet 10:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Combined Sections[edit]

The Resurrection of Career section was looking a little scattered, so I've combined the section regarding The Race, as well as the information regarding his new album, his side album, and Artificial Perfect in an attempt to clean it up. I feel it fits, anyways, since Jagged sounds like the end to another Numan era, especially with his partnership with Ade Fenton, and wanting to end the religious tirades in his lyrics. Numanoid 02:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Genres[edit]

I think there are way too many genres listed AND the page is already a few kilobytes too long. (Skinnydrifter 21:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC))

Siamese Dream connected to Numan?[edit]

Hey, I was just reading the article (which by the way is very nice) and I noticed it said that the Smashing Pumpkins' album Siamese Dream was named after some from Numan's I,Assassin album. Personally I have never heard this and figured it came from the lyrics of Geek USA (which is on Siamese Dream) in which it says "in a dream we are connected, Siamese twins..." Could someone cite where the Pumpkins were quoted saying that they named it after one of Numan's works? Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work! Canutethegreat (talk) 00:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

sounds like the author is reaching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.123.98 (talk) 02:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Discography[edit]

Just looking at it and bloody hell! Shouldn't it be split off? It's a complete mess and it's bloody huge! 86.135.80.62 (talk) 13:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

On a related note, I think there should be a template for Gary Numan/Tubeway. There is so much connected to them. I have no idea how to create one, but here is a good example: Template:Nine_Inch_Nails. StevePrutz (talk) 06:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I have created one at Template:Gary Numan. I'm not an expert in templates, so it might not be perfect. Feel free to use and improve it. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 08:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Great job on the template! StevePrutz (talk) 00:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Echo that, Kjet. I really did try to find something wrong but looks/works fine - well done! (Plus tks Steve for pointing out that it was long overdue). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, both of you. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 09:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Autism?[edit]

Why exactly is Gary Numan in the category "People on the autistic spectrum"? The article makes absolutely no mention of him being diagnosed as having autism (or a related condition such as asperger's syndrome). This could especially be a concern given the rules on biographies of living people. So, either -

  • Gary Numan is on the autistic spectrum, and this is verifiable and citable. If so, the article needs to make at least a brief mention of this, with a citation. A section with information about his diagnosis, and any information he's provided about how it affects him, would be interesting if said information exists.

OR

  • Gary Numan is not on the autistic spectrum, or is not verifiably and citably so. If so, he should be removed from this category.

Xmoogle (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

It's mentioned (with citations) in the Personal life section. --JD554 (talk) 19:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Oops. I'd searched for "autism" and "aspergers" with my browser's find function, but somehow it failed to pick up on that part of the article. Xmoogle (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Like I said on the Personal life discussion, I think you guys are scavenging a bit too much into out-of-range issues. I will smooth this "Asperger" line out as well, as it is absolutely inconsequential and, lacking clinical evidence, also pointless. 94.161.138.99 (talk) 08:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC) Max Ventura, Italy.

Controversial political and religious beliefs[edit]

I found RS's and added the information. Thoughts? 24.32.204.89 (talk) 02:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Reversed "New Albums" Edit[edit]

Someone recently edited the "New Albums" bit to reduce it to "Nothing was said about a new album until August 2007..." That is untrue. Though it can't be proven now, he did in fact mention it very late in 2006 in a news update on his official site, with his own comparisons of the album's possible sound to those of Pure and Jagged. After a large gap of time where there was no mention, he finally talked about it again in an August 2007 update. Deleting that information was unnecessary. 76.23.89.107 (talk) 10:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Personal life[edit]

I compressed the paragraphs by including the former "Aviation" into "Personal Life", where it belongs. There were way too many unchartered and apocryphal narrations in it to make it substantial, and, anyhow, it would still fall into the Personal Life paragraph. 94.161.177.141 (talk) 12:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC) Max Ventura, Italy.

The section "2000's" is anachronistic at parts. 2006 is discussed, then a brief mention of a new record in 2007, then back to 2006: "In late 2006, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2007, with Ade Fenton co-producing. Numan stated "think of Jagged and Pure, but faster, with bigger choruses, more energy, and more aggression" to describe the album's intended sound. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006.", then to 2008-9 then back to 2006. Bao Pu (talk) 12:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Plane crash[edit]

It was a long time ago, mid-80s if I remember, but I'm suprised the article doesn't make any mention of the light aircraft crash that Gary was involved in. I don't think he was the pilot but it certainly made the national news at the time it happened. Anyone have further details? Mighty Antar (talk) 09:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Years Active[edit]

It's been quite some time since I was last on Wikipedia, but from what I've noticed there seems to be a system for artists currently active, which is to put "since ____", as opposed to "____ to present". Is this system a general guideline, or just a mere formatting consensus on a few articles, because if it is the former, would it apply to the formatting on this article? Thanks, --OverReactiveMuffin (talk) 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

The general consensus is to use "YYYY–present", this is backed-up by Template:Infobox_musical_artist#Years_active. --JD554 (talk) 19:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the clarification, I haven't been on here for years, and some articles were using that formatting. Thanks, The Mad Muffin!Muffin Chat? 11:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Twice joined NIN onstage for a third time[edit]

Is it just me or that does sound a bit weird - a guy doing something for a third time twice?

On September 2, 2009 at the Hollywood Palladium, Numan joined Reznor on stage to perform "Metal" and "Cars" near the end of the Nine Inch Nails set. He then joined the band onstage a third time at the Echoplex in Los Angeles, CA, this time performing "Metal" and "I Die: You Die" from the album Telekon. He then joined them a third time at the Henry Fonda theater, performing "Down In The Park," "Metal" and "Cars".

Someone (as in "someone else") should fix this, since I don't know anything (at all) about those shows. -- Nameless Undead (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Just in case there are people here sufferring a terrible disability preventing them from using the browser's search feature (CTRL+F), this contraversial claim is located towards the end of the section "2000s". -- Nameless Undead (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

2000s Citation[edit]

The section has a citation request, how about these:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/g/gary+numan/biography.html

http://www.biographicon.com/wiki/vgu97

http://www.sonicstate.com/articles/article.cfm?id=112

http://www.octopusmediaink.com/GaryNuman.html

any thoughts ? SeekerAfterTruth (talk) 02:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The first two references you've provided are simply mirrors of the Wikipedia article and so couldn't be used. The third reference may be a possibility if it can be shown that it is a reliable source that has editorial oversight and a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. The fourth reference also is a possibility if we could have a link to the actual Toronto Star article rather than a copy of it as we don't know that it hasn't been altered in any way. --JD554 (talk) 12:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Dates[edit]

"In late 2006, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2007, with Ade Fenton co-producing. Numan stated "think of Jagged and Pure, but faster, with bigger choruses, more energy, and more aggression" to describe the album's intended sound. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006."

Seems unlikely - anybody have the correct dates? --GenericBob (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

BLP Sources/Citations Needed?[edit]

I removed the {{BLP Sources}} template at the top of the page and I see that it was reverted by GorgeCustersSabreGeorge Custer's Sabre. The article currently contains 28 references, so I believed that this template no longer applies.

I propose that any unreferenced statements actually be removed (if they already have a {{Citation needed}} tag) or, if there are new unsourced statements, add {{Citation needed}} tags to them and watch the page to see if other editors comes along to add citations. Otherwise, the statement should also be removed. Unsourced information should not remain in the article and there's no reason that the article can not be brought up to a standard that does not require the {{BLP Sources}} tag at the top.

Comments are welcome. MrX 13:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear MrX, I hope you are well. For the sake of clarity, I have added citation needed tags where in good faith I believe the statements cannot be considered "common knowledge". They need to be referenced. When time permits, I will assist in working through these, removing each tag when I have found a source. I respectfully suggest that, if all editors interested in this page do the same, it won't take long until this article is a paradigm of thorough referencing. Best wishes to you. Yours sincerely, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear MrX, further to my last comment, might I please respectfully ask other editors if I am wrong in saying that the following statements, and several others, either reflect various Wikipedia editors’ points of view or are reliably evident factual statements revealed in books, magazines, newspapers, etc? If the former, shouldn’t they be removed? If the latter, shouldn’t they be verified by reliable sources?
My examples:
“Numan's fascination with dystopian science fiction”
“one of Numan's most highly-regarded efforts to date”
“the tour actually lost him a great deal of money because of the vast expense in mounting it”
“the bleak, atmospheric and experimental”
“this latest image change was scorned by the music press”
“he experienced a creative malaise”
Best wishes, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have no prob whether the tag at the top is there or not, but certainly more references are needed. Every so often I promise to do it (see further above!) but always seem to get sidetracked by another of my military history articles. Lately I've been tempted to just rewrite and fully cite it from scratch, I'd just need to collect a couple of references I don't presently have, and set aside the time. As to the particular statements from the article immediately above, they're probably all more-or-less true, but still need citations to reliable sources, as any such assertions do in WP. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments George Custer's Sabre and Ian Rose. I agree with everything said and will do what I can to assist in finding reliable sources or deleting unverifiable material.
I would like to suggest a slight adjustment to the article structure as well. The first major section is Biography, but in fact, the entire article is a biography. I recommend that we remove that section header and promote the 2nd and 3rd level headers below it. This seems to be more in alignment with how other Wikipedia biographies are structured. Cheers, MrX 16:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear MrX, I think your outlined idea of a slight structural change is very sensible and, as you say, it's in keeping with how most other Wikipedia biographies are structured. Best wishes,George Custer's Sabre (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I think that works, MrX. I've also brought the article's Wikiproject Biography assessment back to C (which may still be too generous) -- there are way too many unsourced statements for a B-Class bio. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I agree Ian Rose. I was surprised to see that the article already had a B-Class quality rating. We should be able to get it back to that rating with a little more effort. Best, MrX 23:29, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Non-relevant material[edit]

I removed the following from the Personal Life section of the article, since it has nothing to do with Numan's personal life, and is merely a trivia/pop culture reference:

Numan is referenced several times in the BBC TV series The Mighty Boosh as Vince Noir, one of the main characters, is a huge Gary Numan fan. Examples of this are in the episode "Tundra" where Numan gives Noir a lift to the Antarctic in his personal jet (a black jet with a red trim with "NUMAN" written in white), in the episode "Electro" Numan's influence is clear to see on Noir when he joins electro band "Kraftwork Orange". Along with making several other references to Numan (notably a scene where Noir states he's made some 'tapes' for a journey saying "This is the best of the 60s (holding one tape), this is the best of the 70s (holding another tape) and THIS (picks up a horde of tapes) is Gary Numan!"), Numan guest-starred in "The Power of the Crimp", being locked in a cupboard and is used (unsuccessfully) to cheer Vince up. [citation needed]

It was also unsourced. MrX 23:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)