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Simple Question (lyrics)[edit]

My favourite song is "Are friends electric?". I have a question concerning the lyrics:
So now I'm alone
Now I can think for myself
About little deals
And S.U's
And things that I just don't understand
What sort of "SU" is meant? -- Simplicius 10:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Not that this is really the appropriate forum for such a discussion but if you check out the "Are 'Friends' Electric?" page, you'll find the answer to your question... Cheers, Ian Rose 11:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not realize that songs have their own articles.
I found the answer. Thank you very much indeed! -- Simplicius 13:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Wait, isn't "S.U.s" the British way of pronouncing "issues"? And FWIW, I went to the main page of that article, and it doesn't explain it at all. 216.99.219.219 (talk) 09:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Plane crash[edit]

It was a long time ago, mid-80s if I remember, but I'm suprised the article doesn't make any mention of the light aircraft crash that Gary was involved in. I don't think he was the pilot but it certainly made the national news at the time it happened. Anyone have further details? Mighty Antar (talk) 09:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Dates[edit]

"In late 2006, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2007, with Ade Fenton co-producing. Numan stated "think of Jagged and Pure, but faster, with bigger choruses, more energy, and more aggression" to describe the album's intended sound. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006."

Seems unlikely - anybody have the correct dates? --GenericBob (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

This is still an issue. Although an edit has been made the date discrepancy remains.THX1136 (talk) 15:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Decided not to wait after confirming the release date for the album. Applied a logical solution to the discrepancy. Thus these sentences - "In late 2006, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2007, with Ade Fenton co-producing. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006." - have been changed to - "In late 2005, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2006, with Ade Fenton co-producing. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006." As noted in my edit comments if this is in error, feel free to revert.THX1136 (talk) 15:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

BLP Sources/Citations Needed?[edit]

I removed the {{BLP Sources}} template at the top of the page and I see that it was reverted by GorgeCustersSabreGeorge Custer's Sabre. The article currently contains 28 references, so I believed that this template no longer applies.

I propose that any unreferenced statements actually be removed (if they already have a {{Citation needed}} tag) or, if there are new unsourced statements, add {{Citation needed}} tags to them and watch the page to see if other editors comes along to add citations. Otherwise, the statement should also be removed. Unsourced information should not remain in the article and there's no reason that the article can not be brought up to a standard that does not require the {{BLP Sources}} tag at the top.

Comments are welcome. MrX 13:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear MrX, I hope you are well. For the sake of clarity, I have added citation needed tags where in good faith I believe the statements cannot be considered "common knowledge". They need to be referenced. When time permits, I will assist in working through these, removing each tag when I have found a source. I respectfully suggest that, if all editors interested in this page do the same, it won't take long until this article is a paradigm of thorough referencing. Best wishes to you. Yours sincerely, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear MrX, further to my last comment, might I please respectfully ask other editors if I am wrong in saying that the following statements, and several others, either reflect various Wikipedia editors’ points of view or are reliably evident factual statements revealed in books, magazines, newspapers, etc? If the former, shouldn’t they be removed? If the latter, shouldn’t they be verified by reliable sources?
My examples:
“Numan's fascination with dystopian science fiction”
“one of Numan's most highly-regarded efforts to date”
“the tour actually lost him a great deal of money because of the vast expense in mounting it”
“the bleak, atmospheric and experimental”
“this latest image change was scorned by the music press”
“he experienced a creative malaise”
Best wishes, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have no prob whether the tag at the top is there or not, but certainly more references are needed. Every so often I promise to do it (see further above!) but always seem to get sidetracked by another of my military history articles. Lately I've been tempted to just rewrite and fully cite it from scratch, I'd just need to collect a couple of references I don't presently have, and set aside the time. As to the particular statements from the article immediately above, they're probably all more-or-less true, but still need citations to reliable sources, as any such assertions do in WP. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments George Custer's Sabre and Ian Rose. I agree with everything said and will do what I can to assist in finding reliable sources or deleting unverifiable material.
I would like to suggest a slight adjustment to the article structure as well. The first major section is Biography, but in fact, the entire article is a biography. I recommend that we remove that section header and promote the 2nd and 3rd level headers below it. This seems to be more in alignment with how other Wikipedia biographies are structured. Cheers, MrX 16:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear MrX, I think your outlined idea of a slight structural change is very sensible and, as you say, it's in keeping with how most other Wikipedia biographies are structured. Best wishes,George Custer's Sabre (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I think that works, MrX. I've also brought the article's Wikiproject Biography assessment back to C (which may still be too generous) -- there are way too many unsourced statements for a B-Class bio. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I agree Ian Rose. I was surprised to see that the article already had a B-Class quality rating. We should be able to get it back to that rating with a little more effort. Best, MrX 23:29, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Non-relevant material[edit]

I removed the following from the Personal Life section of the article, since it has nothing to do with Numan's personal life, and is merely a trivia/pop culture reference:

Numan is referenced several times in the BBC TV series The Mighty Boosh as Vince Noir, one of the main characters, is a huge Gary Numan fan. Examples of this are in the episode "Tundra" where Numan gives Noir a lift to the Antarctic in his personal jet (a black jet with a red trim with "NUMAN" written in white), in the episode "Electro" Numan's influence is clear to see on Noir when he joins electro band "Kraftwork Orange". Along with making several other references to Numan (notably a scene where Noir states he's made some 'tapes' for a journey saying "This is the best of the 60s (holding one tape), this is the best of the 70s (holding another tape) and THIS (picks up a horde of tapes) is Gary Numan!"), Numan guest-starred in "The Power of the Crimp", being locked in a cupboard and is used (unsuccessfully) to cheer Vince up. [citation needed]

It was also unsourced. MrX 23:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Influence by John Foxx Ultravox[edit]

here is a video showing Numan Talking about Ultravox and their influence on him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJbmUbCh18

Can someone put this reference in where it belongs? Thanks

TJ (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

having looked at the video once more I think that there is good cause to amend the text to read "Numan has cited John Foxx Ultravox as his primary source of inspration as well as Bowie (citation Needed) and Bolan (citation needed."

I have been a Numan fan for many years and have to confess that whilst I have heard him refer to John Foxx Ultravox often I have not heard him attribute any musical influence to either Bowie or Bolan. It was very fashionable for music journalists in that era to attribute influence to those two as they were part of the "Canon", which Ultravox never have been. Perhaps that is where it comes from. It isn't what the man himself says, though, as the video makes clear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJbmUbCh18

TJ (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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Asperger syndrome[edit]

There is (or at one point was) a curious outbreak of male public figures and semi-public figures telling the press that they have Asperger syndrome because they took one of Simon Baron-Cohen's questionnaires at the prompting of their wives. Bram Cohen is one; Vernon L. Smith is another. Gary Numan's story is, by his own admission, the same. He didn't wait for any medical professional to tell him he had the syndrome, he just made up his own mind and started talking about it. He can believe what he wants, but it's not a basis for categorization, because the term "diagnosis" itself invokes the involvement of a medical expert. 50.185.134.48 (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

The Independent states: “Numan was diagnosed with Asperger's in 2001, 15 years after releasing the top 10 hit "Cars". "For years, I couldn't understand why people thought I was arrogant, but now it all makes a bit more sense," he said.” [1] It is not up to you (or me) to decide whether the diagnosis is inaccurate or not. He says he has it. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

It is up to me when editing this page to verify the categories in view of available information. If you choose not to do that, then too bad. I am willing to accept ipse dixit statements in the press where no further detail is available. In this case there is, so I do not accept it. AS is defined by medical experts and it is diagnosed by medical experts, not musicians. Please remove the category. 50.185.134.48 (talk) 16:27, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Nope. Numan says that he has Aspeger's and neutral, third-party newspapers have reported this. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 04:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I've raised this question at WikiProject Psychology, which is a parent of WikiProject Autism. 50.185.134.48 (talk) 00:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

MrX, you insist on a standard that would make it practically impossible to remove any self-diagnosers from the associated list and categories, or those of the next born-genius/born-criminal diagnosis that might come along. According to you, if someone claims a self-diagnosis and that gets passed on in even one instance as "a diagnosis," suddenly it counts for as much as the opinion of a medical expert. You'd elevate personal fantasy to medical conclusion. 50.185.134.48 (talk) 04:04, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

This issue is that Numan is "self-diagnosed," according to the statements he has made and there is no evidence that he has an official diagnosis. Nobody disputes that he says he thinks he has AS, but he is not qualified to diagnose himself; he is a musician, not a psychologist.2602:30A:2ED1:2EE0:1D21:7F34:13D3:4F7B (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Within the ContactMusic.com source titled "Numan Convinced He Has Asperger's", the source states unequivocally that Numan "has not officially been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome". In the second and only other source by the Independent titled "Asperger's syndrome: The ballad of Nikki Bacharach", the source also states that "Numan claimed that his difficulty in social situations had led him to believe he had AS". Neither of these sources show evidence that Numan has ever been diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome or any other developmental disorder. It appears, instead, that he self-identifies as having Asperger Syndrome. Wikipedia.org doesn't accept self-identification statements as reliable facts. WP editors shouldn't continue to categorize Numan as having Asperger Syndrome.2001:558:6008:3B:39D3:6322:7F0B:D324 (talk) 12:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Gary Numan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

clean up discography section (are there appropriate infoboxes?) and add more inline citations. otherwise very good, with considerable textual content --Sapphic 22:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 22:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Substituted at 15:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Asperger's syndrome: The ballad of Nikki Bacharach". The Independent. Retrieved 22 December 2015.