Talk:Godzilla (1954 film)

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Untitled[edit]

For a page as short as this one and only two external links, it doesn't seem appropriate to separate them by section, so (barring objection within the next little while) i'm going to remove the "Editing of 1954/1956 Release" subheading (and make some other small edits). By the way, if the article can be read at a source more accessible than the TimesSelect Archive (which requires purchasing an account upgrade), the link might be changed. (I found it at Common Dreams, but the disclaimer on their page doesn't seem to encourage linking there.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazilla (talkcontribs) 23:22, December 4, 2005

Critique of Ebert[edit]

The commentary on Ebert feels a bit harsh; and its unclear if its necessary. (His quote provides useful context as one negative voice - the article makes clear that the vast majority of reviews have been positive.) It seems odd to argue that his view is anachronistic just after quoting him suggesting that "This was not state of the art even at the time", and suggesting that an earlier film had better special effects. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by G34j (talkcontribs) 03:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Ridiculous[edit]

This entire article seems to have been written by a single overly zealous Godzilla obsessor with no real desire to make a quality Wikipedia article. Who keeps stuffing complete cast lists into each Toho monster movie article?!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.88.107 (talkcontribs) 05:34, June 26, 2007 (UTC)

  • Please sign your comments. There are plenty of articles with similarly exhaustive cast lists. There's no rule against it. The only thing I found lacking in this article is any reference to the 1956 American reedited version with Raymond Burr. I have added a section relating to it (with a link to the main article). 68.146.47.196 22:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

My problem with the article is that I see no reference to the Godzilla film which starred Raymond Burr. [1]75.72.206.77 (talk) 16:38, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

  • in the second paragraph Alaney2k (talk) 17:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

The infobox for the cast has swallowed weverything underneath it. How can this be fixed? Is an inbfobox even really necessary?

K00bine 11:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Critical Reception[edit]

Is there any source that can be sited for the statement "It was orignally blasted by Japanese Critics in 1954?"

Prons 00:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms[edit]

There should be a mention of the FACT that Godzilla owes a lot to the beast from 20,000 fathoms. It predates Godzilla, it is a giant dinosaurlike monster, that's appearence is due to Atomic testing. You have to be kidding yourself if you think there would be a Godzilla as we know it without the Beast.75.199.78.187 (talk) 03:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)tlhowell1970@gmail.com

So, can you cite this theory? Have you ever heard of the two tribes of monkeys on two separate islands that never meet yet develop the same behaviors? Sierraoffline444 (talk) 06:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, not only does Godzilla borrow heavily from the Beast in terms of its overall storyline making the influence pretty evident, but its documented that Tomoyuki Tanaka read about The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms in a trade magazine (and its box office success) before he got the idea to pitch his giant monster film to his boss at Toho.Giantdevilfish (talk) 05:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

If The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms was the source for Godzilla, it's worth noting that The Beast came from a Ray Bradbury story. From page 81 of Thomas M. Disch's The Dreams Our Stuff Is Made Of: “[Ray Bradbury’s] 1951 story from the Saturday Evening Post, “The Fog Horn,” which became the film The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (1953): a slumbering dinosaur, awakened by a nuclear blast, mistakes the sound of a fog horn for a mating call and levels New York City (in the movie version) looking for love.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.70.190 (talk) 18:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

first Tokusatsu show?[edit]

Godzilla (1954 film) is first Tokusatsu show?--58.186.113.53 (talk) 00:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The Clock[edit]

So, no mention of the scene during Godzilla's 2nd stomp session of him growling a at a clock that's ringing then destroying it. Sierraoffline444 (talk) 06:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Theme[edit]

Like a number of 1950s monster movies, Godzilla reflected fears and uncertainties about the atomic bomb; however, there is a theme that resonated with Japanese audiences of 1954, just nine years after the end of WWII: the original Japanese version of Gojira includes dialogue of residents of Tokyo remembering the bomb shelters of WWII: residents of Tokyo did not use bomb shelters against atomic attack. There was a long history of B29 incendiary bombing campaigns against Toyko, and the scenes of Tokyo in flames and the characters' dialogue about shelters seem more reminding of the fire bomb raids on Tokyo than of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki or Hiroshima. Naaman Brown (talk) 13:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Troubled by the new reboot...[edit]

Isn't anyone kind of worried that the Legendary production is increasingly looking more like the producers are caving to the unreasonable demands of the fandom's purists instead of remaining intellectually independent enough to let the film carve it's own singular artistic identity? I am personally finding these developments to be very upsetting and troubling as they clearly show signs that the project is already allowing itself to be artistically compromised, as if rather than offer product that is unique and original, they're more-or-less going to trot out the same formulaic Punch-and-Judy show that Toho themselves have been peddling out since 1973. What are your thoughts on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.29.159 (talk) 02:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Gojira[edit]

The usage of Gojira is under discussion, see talk:Gojira#Requested move 2 -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 00:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Plot section....[edit]

Having just watched the subtitled version of the film (as well as understanding the non-scientific Japanese dialogue), there seem to be some errors in the plot summary here, and quite a bit of omission of the characters themselves. The island is "Ohto", not "Odo", and the lone survivor is from a house that collapses, not from the entire island. His name is Shinkichi, not Shinjuku. They did not all die, because they end up testifying before the government later, and the expedition goes to the island, so it could not have been completely wiped out. There is no romantic relationship between Emiko and Serizawa - it's plainly stated that she considers him an older brother. She and Ogata are portrayed as a couple from literally the very first scene of the film. Also, Serizawa not only refuses to use the Oxygen Destroyer, he does so twice, beats up Ogata, and explains that he knows humans will misuse it as a weapon before he sees the program on TV. Were there some significant changes made to the English-language release that are being referenced here? MSJapan (talk) 03:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

  • The Criterion Collection version states the island is Odo Island in the sub-titles. Alaney2k (talk) 01:12, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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Cultural Impact[edit]

If I were to add a section to this page, I would include more information about how the people of Japan were able to connect to this movie on an emotional level. The people of Japan were able to feel a sense of empathy with Godzilla because of their experiences of being bombed during World War II. Possibly a short discussion on the cultural impact within the United States as well, which helped begin the spread Japanese pop culture globally.

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Allison, Anne. Millennial Monsters, edited by Anne Allison, University of California Press, 2006. ProQuest Ebook Central.


Ryfle, Steve. "Godzilla's Footprint." Virginia Quarterly Review, vol. 81, no. 1, Winter2005, pp. 44-63. EBSCOhost, proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login?url=http://search.ebscohost.com.proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&AN=15501530&site=ehost-live&scope=site.


Schnellbächer, Thomas. "Has the Empire Sunk Yet?--The Pacific in Japanese Science Fiction." Science Fiction Studies, vol. 29, no. 3, Nov. 2002, pp. 382-396. EBSCOhost, proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login?url=http://search.ebscohost.com.proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&AN=9155768&site=ehost-live&scope=site.


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More Expansion[edit]

This article is looking good, however I thing there can be a lot more information on the film's production, theatrical release added to the article. The production section feels incomplete and too short considering the abundance of information available on the film. The release section, specifically the film's theatrical release is also underdeveloped. The film was enormously popular in Japan and there is nothing even close to mentioning its complete box office run and gross in its native country. The article on the american version should probably be combined with this article as well since they are practically the same thing just added scenes. These are just a few things that need to happen so that this article is expanded to its fullest extent.--Paleface Jack 15:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

  1. ^ me