Talk:Grip (raven)

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A fact from Grip (raven) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 March 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Charles Dickens's talking raven Grip (pictured) inspired the poem "The Raven"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grip (raven).

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 13:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Grip, Dickens's raven

... that Charles Dickens's talking raven Grip (pictured) inspired the poem "The Raven"? Source: "most Poe scholars are in agreement that the poet’s fascination with Grip was the inspiration for his 1845 poem The Raven" BBC.
ALT1: ... that Charles Dickens ordered an autopsy for his talking raven Grip (pictured) after she died from lead poisoning? Source: "I have directed a post-mortem examination, and the body has been removed to Mr. Herring's school of anatomy for that purpose." The Life of Charles Dickens: 1812-1842, p. 236.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Panagiotis Stamatakis
- Comment: I could use a day to polish up the article and provide some alternative hooks.

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self-nominated at 17:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Grip (raven), so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article new enough, submitted within 7 days. Long enough, at almost 10,000 characters. An Eagwig check reveals no copyright violations. Both hooks draw you into the article, are interesting, and sourced. Both could be fit for April 1. One of the articles I submitted for DYK is going on the Main Page this year, but I'm unfamiliar with the requirements and either hook would work, so I'm stalling passing this to DYK until others chime in about this DYK's fitness for going on the Main Page on 4-1. Image fine, QPQ done. All is good until my question is answered, thanks. What a delightfully whimsical article; great work. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neither hook works for April Fools as neither hook is misleading. Personally I think ALT1 is the more interesting hook, as while The Raven is quite famous, I think ALT1 catches more attention (Autopsy for a bird? A talking raven?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5:, since @Gobonobo: is okay with this hook appearing on 4-1, does this hook work? If not, please help; I'm really bad at coming up with an appropriate 4-1 hook. ALT2: ... that even though Dicken's family pet (pictured) bit members of his family, he said, ""I love nobody here but the Raven, and I only love him because he seems to have no feeling in common with anybody". Source: "Dickens, Grip and the Corvid Family" Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be honest here: does this need to run as an April 1st hook? The article doesn't really seem like a good fit and could probably run as a regular one. None.of the hooks proposed here are AFD caliber either. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of the hooks work for April 1, or even come close; strongly suggest this be reviewed for regular pages without an attempt at April 1. ALT1 is problematic because the lead ingestion occurred the previous year and Dickens is speculating that Grip might have been poisoned by various people rather than the paint; the article doesn't mention what the results of the autopsy were. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine; like I said, I'm really bad at coming up with good AFD hooks, which is why I asked for assistance. I'm also fine with going with a regular page. Let's go with the first hook, then. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]