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Preceded by!

Encyclopedic value of including “caretaker “ person in Care taker govt of Pakistan as preceded by person is questionable! In my opinion, preceded by should only list those who were part of an elected government. First of all caretakers are not elected but selected, plus their powers are limited in care taker govt. Adl786 (talk) 04:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Imran interview accepting that he used gambling money for PTI debt

Sir, Gogo Dodo; My write up was exactly as what he said in the cited utube interview and his book! Have you listened to the interview, maybe you don’t understand Urdu! If that’s the case please have someone in your team, who knows Urdu check it out. If you have any specific item not consistent with what he said, please advise.

Adl786 (talk) 06:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BIxb2_nN_QY#fauxfullscreen

Adl786 (talk) 06:23, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Hopefully instead of claiming validity of my write up within few minutes, you will listen to interviews & read his book and identify why you question credibility. Adl786 (talk) 06:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Khan has accepted that he taught his brother-in-law, Ben Goldsmith, how to perform spread betting in cricket. He taught Ben this technique with an agreement that if Ben wins, Ben will payoff debt of PTI. Ben won big and not only cleared his personal debt of £10,000 but also cleared debt of PTI in the amount of £20,000. He claimed that based on his knowledge of cricket, he can make millions. A important point is that he considers spread betting in cricket and buying/selling stocks in stock market as equivalent. [112] In his opinion, either both are gambling or neither. This opinion, is not consistent to predominant view of Islamic scholars and Pakistani laws.

Please highlight, what’s not verifiable? Adl786 (talk) 06:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Senior Editors @ Wiki, SherrifIsInTown, et. Al. Please review the above posted para, listen to the video interviews of Imran Khan, refer to his book and advise what needs to be edited to make it into Wiki His view about equivalency of spread betting & buying / selling stocks is impressive, since he is heading an state in forming laws.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BIxb2_nN_QY#

Adl786 (talk) 07:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Confusion

The Official website of Ministry of Interior shows Muhammad Azam Khan as Minister while other sources shows Imran Khan. What is right?— Bukhari (Talk!) 10:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

He was caretaker, they just did not update the website! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown:, What is the difference between Minister for Interior and Minister of State for Interior. Are they same? — Bukhari (Talk!) 09:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@BukhariSaeed: A Minister of State is a junior minister who works under the federal minister, if these is one. --Saqib (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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From a sports icon to Beacon of national revival: An invincible Imran Khan

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Image?

Looks like the previous image was removed from the infobox due to unclear copyright. Can someone add an acceptable image there from Commons? One of the most viewed articles should surely have an identifiable ib image. Was a bit confused when I landed here as there was no photo. Gotitbro (talk) 07:14, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes please at least official portrait Khurram khan786 (talk) 22:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

It's an official government portrait, you don't need permission to use it so why keep reverting my edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackwatson39340301 (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2018

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Change the picture to official potrait.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CHANGE THE profile image of the article to the official portrait of prime minister, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorinchief21 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Editorinchief21, is the official portrait suitable for here or is it under copyright? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

It's suitable since it's in public domain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackwatson39340301 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Do you have any proof or evidence? The specific file that you included has no license. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2019

I SUBMIT THAT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER ‘CAPTAINCY’ BE AMEMNDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS

At the height of his career, in 1982, the thirty-year-old Khan took over the captaincy of the Pakistan cricket team from Javed Miandad.[54] As a captain, Khan played 48 Test matches, out of which 14 were won by Pakistan, 8 lost and the rest of 26 were drawn. Reputed to be one of the greatest captains in the history of the game, Khan led Pakistan to some of most remarkable test series victories in the country’s history. His performance as a player, while being the captain of the national test side, remains un paralleled in the history of the game. In 48 test matches, he scored 2408 runs at an average of 52.34 and claimed 187 wickets at the cost 20.26 runs per wicket. He also played 139 ODIs, winning 77, losing 57 and ending one in a tie.[19] Herry Becker (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely not, as that would fly right against the neutral point of view policy. Breaking sticks (talk) 23:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Then add this "In 48 test matches, he scored 2408 runs at an average of 52.34 and claimed 187 wickets at the cost 20.26 runs per wicket." It is indisputably factual, without any opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herry Becker (talk • contribs) 16:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Ministries

@SheriffIsInTown: @Saqib: I seriously doubt we should be listing ministries in the infobox. The ministries of interior, communications and power are/were his by virtue because there are no federal ministers responsible for those ministries. Just like for Nawaz Sharif (who was foreign minister by virtue) I don’t think we should include seperate ministries in his infobox. маsтегрнатаLк 21:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree, only the most prominent position for the tenure should be listed! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Sure. By the way, Power portfolio is under Omar Ayub Khan, not Khan. --Saqib (talk) 05:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Interesting history of his people. The Aryan Pakhtuns were converted to Semitic Islam. Later on out of respect of the Buddhist Halaku Khan (mongols captured region of Central Asia) these people took the Mongol title of Khan. Imran is also fond of the Jews. Though in a subtle manner

Hosting of Saudi Prince (and allegations from both India and Iran of Pakistani support for large bombings)

February 2019 saw two large "terror" explosions purportedly supported by Pakistan , one in Iran and one in India, in the week and days preceding the "official" (non-state) visit of Saudi Arabia`s notorious MbS. The visit brought promises and claims of over USD 20 Billions in trade benefits to Pakistan, a noteable event indeed. PM Khan appeared on television as a distinguished and gracious host.126.243.85.139 (talk) 16:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Following the attacks, Imran Khan stated that Pakistan had no involvement, and that if Pakistan was attacked then there would certainly be a retaliation.Contribitions/Badsaad10 (talk)

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official portrait

Does anyone know why the official portrait is not available anywhere on Wikipedia or Wikimedia? Is it the same case like with Bolsonaro's portrait, that it's copyrighted? 78.108.56.35 (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Noble Peace Prize

Update Needed for the conferment of Noble Prize Award being bestowed upon the Respected PM Imran Khan, so that we would be immediately able to include his name in the list of Noble Peace laureates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saadullah Bhatti (talk • contribs) 17:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2019

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Term

Hi The 2013-18 legislature began in 1 June 2013. Why his term began in 19 June 2013? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Re: Political Ideology section and Saudi Arabia

“ Khan might not be able to stick to his previous stance, as Saudi loans and investment are crucial amid the precarious state of Pakistan's economy.[103] ”

While this is a well-sourced claim, I think it falls under WP:SPECULATION (not WP:NOTABILITY as I accidentally stated in my edit summary). That being said, I also think the information it provides has encyclopedic value: If it could be substituted for information about specific, actual events, that would be ideal. Unfortunately, I'm not the person to do it. --HamartiaProsciuttoPharos (talk) 00:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I think you misinterpret WP:CRYSTAL. We are permitted to have reliable sources make predictions. The source clearly states that "Saudi loans and investment are crucial amid the precarious state of Pakistan’s economy," as well as quoting that "Rafiq describes Pakistan as being 'on thin ice,' and the Saudi-backed loan [is] essential.'" This evaluation seems well-sourced and worthy of inclusion, in my view. El_C 02:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

You make a reasonable argument; I trust that if others take issue with the content, they'll revive this discussion with their own input. Until then, I'm happy to let it be. --HamartiaProsciuttoPharos (talk) 04:10, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2019

I want to change this page's profile picture with better one. 91.73.72.131 (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2019

Controversies

Remove all the controversies because these are baseless and accusations of the people who is trying to destroying the image of a person just for the money which is given by opposition and wanted to come into the limelight. Muneebjaved71 (talk) 15:59, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please establish a consensus for this change on the talk page before making such a request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:03, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

a.o.a

Bold text'Italic text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.36.180.78 (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

edit request

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Can a user help add these new photos of Imran Khan to the article please. Khan meets trump at UNGA, 23 September 2019 Khan meets Mike Pompeo July 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.107.93.6 (talk) 00:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)blocked sock --IamNotU (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2019 (UTC)  Not done There are already several photos of recent meetings with world leaders, and not much space in the "Prime Minister of Pakistan" space to add more. Can you explain what these photos illustrate that the existing photos do not? Are you proposing to replace existing photos or add them to a different section? MarginalCost (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Imran Khan is Muhajir

Imran Khan is also Muhajir from his maternal family youtube.com/dGZGM0CZSYU, please Muhajir people's category also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.32.197 (talk) 03:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Signature

I am wondering what's the source of the signature present in the Infobox. It looks quite different from the one in this official document. Bigfoot Yeti (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Minor edit in the controversy section required

Rather than calling Osama bin Laden leader of Al-Qaeda. Refer to him as former leader of Al-Qaeda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.32.9.4 (talk) 23:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2020

Link the Mianwali, an area in Mianwali district Amr2jm (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. I saw multiple links for Mianwali and variants already in the article. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

Hi, I reverted your (edit) manually. If you removed cited content once again, it will be undone without being reverted manually. You are requested to explain the reason for removing cited content on the article Imran Khan. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 16:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheBirdsShedTears: You are using a 8 years old source and a 9 year old source(about his book) to claim "popularity" and that is grossly non-neutral, as well as WP:UNDUE. Your other edit is also violating WP:NPOV and looks irrelevant because you are giving undue weight to a politician (see WP:SOAPBOX) and discussing about a different topic, about a pilot's release, but not his reaction to the terrorist attack. You should revert both of your edits. Mohanabhil (talk) 17:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

As far as WP:V is concerned, it is discouraged to remove cited content. Editors can improve existing article or part of a page (section) rather than removing. Your (this edit) looks puffery as per the sources you added. Imran Khan has been criticized for claiming he has "no knowledge": In fact, it shouldn't be written like this. "Not much knowledge" is the correct phrase as per sources. Furthermore, i didn't see "he has been criticized" in any of the reliable sources. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

That is your disbelief that content only needs to meet WP:V for inclusion. That is wrong. You can remove blatant WP:UNDUE and WP:POV, and that is what I was doing. WSJ source calls him "deeply hypocritical", how that is not criticism in your book? You need to understand that "puffery" means "exaggerated or false praise". Mohanabhil (talk) 18:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You didn't understand me. The content you added only focuses on his criticism rather than making a neutral contribution. You have not mentioned "Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan has since accused the Indian government of ethnic cleansing of the Muslim-majority region." (relevant to your edits and also mentioned in sources you added "puffery"). I don't think you are trying to stay a neutral editor. If editors do not add "what their native politicians have done with minorities", it is same as whitewashing their politics. What is left to add on Wikipedia? only growing praise for their native politicians and criticism for neighboring countries? See WP:NPOV, WP:CRIT and WP:CRV TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 09:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

What Narendra Modi does has nothing to do with this page, because this page is not to be used as a WP:SOAPBOX for Imran Khan. It would be "puffery" only if I add something overly positive and never saw that happening in my history of editing. I have removed the disputed content now because either way, all of them sounds WP:UNDUE. Mohanabhil (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Bin Laden remark

* I have warned the concerned editor for this clearly vandal edit [1]. Subsequent edits are just watering down his comment on Bin Laden. We shouldn't include paragraphs of justifications made by Khan's spokemen to give a false sense of balance (WP:VALID). An RfC may be in order if concerned editors disagree. - Harsh 19:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

It seems relevant to me to report that Khan's spokesman backpedaled from Khan's comment; if a second WP:RS besides VOA reports on it, I'll come to back argue for re-insertion. As for the BBC analysis, if other editors don't find it relevant, I'm fine with its exclusion. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 04:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

The controversy is regarding his use of the word martyr. His spokesman saying that he also used the word killed a few times, is not the controversy. Regarding the media analysis, which goes on a tangent to make theories as to why he called Osama a martyr; was he afraid of his military; is all speculation, not deserving any mention on an article about him. - Harsh 04:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

hello indian hindu! plz keep your indian propaganda in check! khan never called OBL a martyr in a deliberate purposeful statement! 119.155.20.119 (talk) 12:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

hello indian hindu! plz keep your indian propaganda in check! khan never called OBL a martyr in a deliberate purposeful statement! 119.155.20.119 (talk) 12:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Media censorship

Khan is being heavily criticised for media censorship in Pakistan. Worth mentioning in the article?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/05/extreme-fear-and-self-censorship-media-in-pakistan-under-attack

Misleadingly attributed relationship

Jerry hall. Further names from this section should be removed and reviewed. Proper and authoritative sources BADLY IN NEED. Stephenfryfan (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021

Use this image from his Twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1162267138842755075/zxLifsgg_400x400.jpg 119.160.69.91 (talk) 15:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

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Quotes

"...If a woman is wearing very few clothes, it will have an impact on the men unless they are robots. It's common sense,..."

— ~Imran Khan to Axios in conversation with Jonathan Swan, June 2021

Imran Khan has made many quotes since he became Prime Minister including calling OBL as martyr in Pakistan's parliament. Some his qoutes like one about women's modesty are likely to have encyclopedic notability since widely discussed in media. I don't know MoS for including them in the article. May be some one helps including this one in the article.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge' (talk) 08:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

References

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Don't know why User:Popsmokes38 has problem with these images as they both are perfect decent shots. Sometimes they add copyrighted portraits of Imran Khan or the inferior quality images like currently used one. Which images should be used. I prefer first one as it gives best impression on Khan's article as he is the current prime minister of Pakistan. Please anyone solve this issue as soon as possible.119.160.119.122 (talk) 11:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Agreed that Popsmokes38's photo is worse because it's too long. A crop on the the face only would make it too low-res. The current article uses the first of the two images above, which is fine; the second wins out just very slightly IMO but whatever. Popsmokes38, please do not edit war, which is a blockable offense. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

NPOV misuse for remark on Bin Laden

@Wiki id2:

Removing However, despite Khan's rhetoric, his government has taken strict action against far-right Islamist groups such as the Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan, which was outlawed as a terrorist group with the group's accounts frozen and its leadership arrested under Khan's government. Also, Khan has repeatedly condemned the Pakistani Taliban, including in December 2020 when the nation commemorated the sixth anniversary of the 2014 Peshawar school massacre, Khan stated that the attacks had "united the nation against terrorism".

This is a total non-sequitor from the para's lead and an obvious attempt to whitewash and give false balance to what Khan said. WP:YESBIAS.

Removing the word "heavy" in On 25 June 2020, Khan came under heavy criticism per MOS:PUFFERY.

Removing A spokesman for Khan stated that any controversy around these remarks by Khan was "unwarranted", suggesting the term wasn't used to connote a sense of heroism as his critics argued, since this is in the nature of a self denial WP:MANDY. - hako9 (talk) 14:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Prime Minister of Pakistan section—biased?

The section "Prime Minister of Pakistan" reads more like a biography of a corporate executive on the corporation's webpage than like a Wikipedia entry. I would tag the section as biased if the page wasn't protected.— Preceding unsigned comment added by EugeneWolosewicz (talk • contribs)

I agree that the section definitely needs more criticisms and commentary of Khan's policies. Narendra Modi#Prime Minister serves as a better example of this. IronManCap (talk) 00:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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Kamyan nojwan sports drive

Sir , please extend the age limit up to 30 years in kamyab nojwan sports drive . Many of the students are graduate but his age is more than 25 years. So please extend the age limit upto 30 years. 103.134.0.98 (talk) 14:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2022

Lt. Gen. Muhammad Habib Ullah:Template

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Note able

as Imran Khan Muhammad Habib Ullah is Lt. Gen. Muhammad Habib Ullah won 1992 World Cup 2008 ICC rank as Prime Minister of Such a country a Pakistani. 182.179.155.212 (talk) 15:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Correct geography

Can we correct this section as per the norm of Wikipedia. It should read near the border city now located in India as India never existed prior to 1947, prior to that it was British India, Mughal India and the Delhi sultanate under the Niazi and later Lodhi Pashtun sultanate where imran khans family are also descendent from. The paragraph needing change is below:

‘His maternal family was based in Basti Danishmanda, Jalandhar, India for about 600 years’ 2607:FEA8:1300:B1E:B948:9829:5C3A:6217 (talk) 15:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2022

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022

request to change the image to ImranKhanpk.png. thanks Pashtoisawesome (talk) 01:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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Civics

Imran khan 106.76.13.163 (talk) 12:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

About Imran_Khan#Wealth

Sorry I am not very aware of the BLP of Politicians/heads of Govts, but is it normal to have wealth listed as such. It appears a bit of promotional to me. No strong views though. Others' views welcomed. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 02:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2022

Social media links must be removed from article's External links section, it is against wikipedia policy. 103.141.159.74 (talk) 10:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

From WP:EL: Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject;  Not done Happy Editing--IAmChaos 04:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2022

He is not prime minister anymore He is former prime minister of nation of pakistan 114.31.148.112 (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. The situation is complex, see here. He still appears to be PM, at least for the momennt. FDW777 (talk) 10:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

But for now Pakistan doesn't have any Prime Minister at the moment. Hence, Imran Khan is no longer the Prime Minister of Islamic Republic of Pakistan Vivekvivanofficial (talk) 15:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Still prime minister

See Imran to continue as prime minister till appointment of caretaker premier, published 4 April. FDW777 (talk) 15:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

No, now Pakistan doesn't have any Prime Minister at the moment 10th April 2022 Vivekvivanofficial (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2022

There is a lot of misinformation and lies about pakistans economy under prime minister khan. If anyone is reading this, please do a simple google search and you will find out that pakistans economy plummeted under the current administration. GPD growth shrank, and inflation skyrocketed. Even accounting for COVID, neighboring India and Bangladesh suffered equally from COVID but their economy no where nearly suffered as much. Mr. khan is a narcissist and the worst prime minister in the last 78 years of pakistan. Please correct your article :) 2601:4C0:8001:6CF0:CD65:4743:131D:8661 (talk) 13:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

Change "In 2022, Khan faced a no-confidence motion which culminated in a constitutional crisis and his removal from power" to "In 2022, Khan faced a no-confidence motion which culminated in a constitutional crisis and his removal from power, the first Pakistani Prime Minister to have been so removed in Pakistan's constitutional history". Source : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61055210.amp Nishu0246 (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Sentence already changed to reflect this -- Asartea ^{Talk | Contribs} 09:53, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

38 cites in lead?

Citations should only be in the lead for contested material. Some of these cites, such as making his test debut against England, being the founder of PTI and winning the election in 2018 are completely uncontestable. The cites here should be pruned back. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2022 (2)

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Imran Khan Niazi is No More Prime Minister of Pakistan. It's an humble request to Wikipedia to update this Information. Thanks

Mian Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif is the New Prime Minister of Pakistan 🇵🇰 206.84.147.17 (talk) 17:07, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

M W K

MW Khan 103.255.5.116 (talk) 07:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Still a member of the National Assembly or not?

While there's no dispute he's no longer PM, there seems to have been some back and forth over whether he's also lost his seat in the National Assembly. I haven't seen any references that say that's the case, so perhaps someone can shed some light on this? FDW777 (talk) 16:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2022

Imran Khan is now Former Prime Minister First Prime Minister of Pakistan Who Thrown out With VONC (Vote of No Confidence) Ammarbutt363 (talk) 08:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

P Ammarbutt363 (talk) 08:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. BSMRD (talk) 00:02, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2022 (3)

Change "comitted" to "committed" in the lead section ("Khan's government comitted to a renewable energy transition, launched a national reforestation initiative and expanded protected areas, and led the country during the COVID-19 pandemic.") 2600:387:C:6A1B:0:0:0:A (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done BSMRD (talk) 00:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Ref

• Jatoi, Benazir Report Card: PTI government and women’s rights The Express Tribune April 05, 2022

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 01:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Historynerd162 (talk) 19:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rewrite Economic Policy Section - Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2022

I would like to propose a substantial rewriting of the 'Economic Policy' section on this page. The current content there contains obvious deficiencies, including missing references, misreading and cherry-picking source information, and lacking substantive information. Here are some examples:

  - A claim states, "Pakistan's overall balance of payment's position improved significantly following record-high remittances in 2020, which stabilised the central bank's foreign exchange reserves." However, upon reading the cited source, there is no information on BOP position nor foreign reserve stabilization. 
  - Another claim mentions, "tax revenues also went on an upward trajectory with Pakistan's tax agency (FBR) both exceeding its tax collection target and collecting a record amount for the first quarter of the fiscal year 2021 in the calendar year 2020." But, upon reading the provided references, there is deeper discussion on how tax revenue grew in absolute terms but did not meet its desired target. 
  - A third statement claims, "the rate of debt accumulation had significantly slowed, but Pakistan's debt remained high due to the high borrowing of previous governments." This information is cherry-picked because the cited source discusses how debt accumulation is actually increasing and it is not simply because of previous governments' borrowing but also the rising inflation, currency depreciation, and rising import bills in Khan’s regime. 

Such examples and the current information provided in this section point to a serious bias in favour of Khan's government. There is no information on the alarming rise of domestic inflation, record low currency depreciation, and widening BOP and debt crises. All of this questions the neutrality of this section as the current author(s) clearly gave undue weight to the few positive economic indicators, without critical engagement with the reasons fueling these, nor an acknowledgement of the harmful economic consequences.

Given these, I propose the following changes to make this section well-informed and in line with factual information on the economic decisions and results during Imran Khan's tenure.

1. Change "In domestic economic policy, Khan inherited a twin balance of payments and debt crisis with a large current account deficit and fiscal deficit in 2018, Khan's government sought a bailout from the IMF." to "On 1 September 2018, Khan constituted an 18-member Economic Advisory Council (EAC) comprised of nationally and internationally renowned economists and expert academic practitioners to advice the government on, “both short-term macroeconomic stabilisation interventions and long-term structural reforms for stable and sustained economic development” . Among the appointees was Princeton economist Dr. Atif Mian, the only Pakistani ranked in the IMF’s ‘Top 25 Brightest Young Economists’ , and an expert who Khan had stated he would appoint if he had won the 2014 elections . However, soon after the EAC’s announcement, the government faced extreme criticism against Dr. Atif Mian’s appointment because of his religious beliefs, and many called for his removal. Fawad Chaudhary (Minister of Information) initially resisted the social media backlash stating, “Pakistan belongs as much to minorities as it does to the majority,” and that, “we (the government) will not bow to extremists" . But, amongst growing pressure, Khan’s government cancelled Dr. Mian’s appointment and asked him to step down. Dr. Mian agreed to resign, after which two more prominent economists on the Council resigned in protest . The loss of these experts further limited Khan’s ability to proactively and sustainably deal with the twin balance of payments and debt crisis he inherited, and pushed the government to seek a bailout from the IMF" .

2. Change "Pakistan's overall balance of payment's position improved significantly following record-high remittances in 2020, which stabilised the central bank's foreign exchange reserves. The fiscal deficit narrowed to less than 1% of GDP by 2020 due to the government's austerity policies. Thus the rate of debt accumulation had significantly slowed, but Pakistan's debt remained high due to the high borrowing of previous governments in which the current government had to allocate $24 billion to pay off loans taken during the tenure of previous governments. Aside from IMF-mandated reforms, Khan's government introduced policies to improve the business operating climate. As a result, Pakistan climbed 28 places higher on the World Bank's ease of doing business index. Pakistan ranked amongst the top 10 most improved countries in 2019. Pakistan's tax collection also hit record highs in 2019. As the government raised more revenue from domestic taxes with no increase in tax revenue from import taxes (given import compression had lowered the quantity being imported so the government collected less tax revenue from imports). This trend continued into 2020, albeit at a slower pace. The fiscal deficit was also controlled to less than 1% of GDP in the second half of 2020, Pakistan recorded a primary surplus (excluding interest payment and principal repayment of previous debt), but was in deficit once the interest payment on debt was accounted for, albeit the deficit was smaller. Economists primarily pinned this reduction in the fiscal deficit on an increase in non-tax revenues rather than an increase in tax revenues. For example, from the higher prices, consumers paid for oil from state-owned oil companies. Nevertheless, tax revenues also went on an upward trajectory with Pakistan's tax agency (FBR) both exceeding its tax collection target and collecting a record amount for the first quarter of the fiscal year 2021 in the calendar year 2020." to "Pakistan's tax collection hit record highs in 2019. The government raised more revenue from domestic taxes with no increase in tax revenue from import taxes (given import compression had lowered the quantity being imported so the government collected less tax revenue from imports). In 2020, tax revenue grew by 4% in absolute terms but could not achieve the annual target of 22% growth . Further, income tax collection shrank by over 35% as the government increased indirect, regressive taxes which burden poor citizens . Pakistan also recorded a surplus on its current account in 2020, but this was due to record-high remittances Pakistan received during the COVID-19 crisis. The one-off surge was due to layoffs of Pakistani workers in Gulf countries, overseas small business owners shifting their operations back home, and individuals sending money to family and friends impacted by the pandemic . Pakistan’s fiscal deficit also narrowed to less than 1% of GDP, but economists primarily pin this on an increase in non-tax revenues, for example, from the higher prices, consumers paid for oil from state-owned oil companies. The superficial improvement in economic indicators allowed Khan’s government to repay $10 billion annually in loans, relative to $5.5 billion repayments from previous governments. However, due to high borrowing of previous governments, combined with rising inflation, currency depreciation, and rising import bills in Khan’s regime, the government was forced to borrow another $24 billion to continue loan repayment, thus exacerbating the debt crisis ."

3. Change "In economic policy with respect to international trade," to "Aside from IMF-mandated reforms, Khan's government introduced policies to improve the business operating climate. As a result, Pakistan climbed 28 places higher on the World Bank's ease of doing business index. Pakistan ranked amongst the top 10 most improved countries in 2019. In terms of international trade,"

4. Add "However, CPEC agreements are concerning given that much of Pakistan’s revenue comes from external debt versus domestic institutions. Today, Pakistan owes over 25% of its external loans to China, continuing the tradition of foreign economic reliance . Khan came to power in 2018 with the promise of improving the lives of the poor and common people . Yet after 3 years, his policy decisions have left the economy in a worse shape on all accounts . There has been zero increase in average national income , the country faces the worst inflation in South Asia , and the currency value has fallen to an all-time low . The average person has been struggling to afford even everyday essentials as the Consumer Price Index rose by 13% - the highest in 2 years, according to the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics . The Rupee has lost a record 30% of its value against the dollar during Khan’s regime . This depleted foreign currency reserves as imports were now incredibly expensive while export value fell. The imbalance worsened the balance of payments and debt crises Khan had inherited and resulted in a current account deficit that widened to $3.4 billion in September 2021, compared to $1.9 billion in the previous fiscal year . As such, in economic terms, Khan failed to implement any sustainable growth policies- the consequences of which are heavily borne by the working class, despite Khan’s campaign promises ." --Historynerd162 (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

This is quite a substantial suggestion. I have not ploughed through all the sources yet. Here are some comments, mainly on the first suggestion:

The suggested text overuses the some words to watch such as "however", "but", "further", "yet", "despite".

Regarding the phrase "the government faced extreme criticism against Dr. Atif Mian’s appointment": the source is more nuanced "The appointment of Dr Atif R. Mian ... to the 18-member EAC set up to advise the government on economic policy was opposed by some individuals and groups, including Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), who objected to his Ahmadi faith. A social media smear campaign erupted against the economist's appointment, with many calling for his removal. A large number of detractors, however, showed support for Mian, saying that one's religion should not factor into their professional qualifications or employment".

Regarding the sentence "The loss of these experts further limited Khan’s ability to proactively and sustainably deal with the twin balance of payments and debt crisis he inherited, and pushed the government to seek a bailout from the IMF": This is not in the source provided. The source does not say the resignations will make it more difficult for the governments to manage the economy. The source does not say that the resignations “pushed” the government to seek a loan from the IMF. Regarding the IMF, the source says “Faced with a looming balance of payments crisis that may force the country to seek a fresh bailout from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), or other lenders … ".

"Khan’s regime" should be "Khan’s government".

Burrobert (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. BSMRD (talk) 15:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Defense spending decreased

The fourth paragraph of the lede says Khan decreased defense spending. Was it really decreased or was it actually increased (especially in his following years)? Khestwol (talk) 07:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2022 (2)

Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi's name in the Pashto bracket (on the page) is written as عمران احمد خان نیازی. However, in the real Pashto language, the name would be عمران احمد خان نيازي. It is نيازي, not نیازی. 3mayrAlDehlavi (talk) 11:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Moved back to talk page (unarchived) as it was unacted upon. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 17:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

In Pashto, "Niazi" in singular, direct case is generally pronounced Niazai (while Niazi is either the plural, or the singular indirect case), so the current نیازی seems correct. Khestwol (talk) 09:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Marking as answered per assessment by Khestwol. —Sirdog (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Views_on_the_Pashtuns_and_Afghans

Regarding this section that was apparently added quite recently, I'm seeing a lot of issues. Opinion editorials are generally not reliable for reporting statements and can only be used if they are attributed. One of the sources used was ANI, which is a complete no-no and has been deemed unreliable by consensus at WP:RSP, in particular for "coverage related to Indian domestic politics, foreign politics, and other topics in which the Government of India may have an established stake". Furthermore, the statement on "xenophobic people" appears to be half-cherry picked (the complete sentence was omitted; why?) and it appears to be sourced to a primary reference, because no credible secondary sources have picked up on what the section appears to insinuate. Surely, there would have been adequate coverage of such a remark in secondary sources if it carried weight? Given the outstanding issues, I am going to go ahead and tag the section. Mar4d (talk) 16:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes that is true, the sources for the first two sentences were not good enough. I have removed the two sentences. Khestwol (talk) 07:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

'Taliban' mentioned six times in two sentences

This sentence should be rewritten per subject. "Following the Taliban takeover of Kabul in 2021, Khan congratulated the Taliban for their victory in the 2001–2021 war and urged the international community to support the new Taliban government.[29][30][31] He was also sympathetic to the Pakistani Taliban (Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan or TTP), and stated his government was in talks with TTP groups in order to negotiate a peace deal with the help of the Afghan Taliban." Rousillon (talk) 22:40, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

"to support the new Taliban government" changed to "to support their new government." And "talked with TTP groups" changed to "talked with them." Khestwol (talk) 02:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Bhutto / Kahn relationship in 1975

Is the part about the claim in the book (published in 2009) by Christopher Sandford really needed? Benazir Bhutto was already dead for two years when the book got published, and Kahn himself refuted the claim. It still might be true, but did Sandford present any kind of solid proof for that claim?
If not, then it is only hearsay and should not be part of a wikipedia article about a living person. 178.24.251.205 (talk) 09:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2022

111.119.183.8 (talk) 16:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Can you add that he is honest prime minister in Pakistan

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2022

I want to add a article that Imran Khan is a living legend,superstar,a huge crowd puller,a human loving person,thinks about his country,he wants stablize his country and also efforts to give respect to green passport Lagay rho (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Zinnober9 (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 August 2022

He was removed by a regime change operation not by no-confidence 2A00:5400:E050:CBD6:751E:702A:8102:539F (talk) 10:52, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉️] 11:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

read more https://aliabbassays.blogspot.com/2022/09/imported-govt-handlers-moving-ahead-on.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mian Ali Abbas (talk • contribs) 01:49, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Not sure Your comment does not indicate what you want done. If you think that the blog post should be used as a source, please be aware that this user-generated content such as blogs is disallowed as per the WP:USERGENERATED content guideline. Peaceray (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Comment by anoynonomous IP editor

Read more https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/2804906016879311834/2023554154702916783 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.119.183.21 (talk) 06:16, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Two things:

• That blog post appears to have been deleted.
• Blogs & other user generated content are unacceptable as reliable resources according to the WP:USERGENERATED content guideline.

Peaceray (talk) 17:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2022

I want the article to be edited, because there is some information that needs to be updated. In this article it says Imran Khan is chairman of one the biggest political parties of Pakistan, but the fact is that he is the chairman of THE BIGGEST political party of Pakistan I.e PTI. It can be confirmed that Khan’s party has more seats in the parliament than any other party. Plus By-elections were held in Punjab a few months back in which PTI emerged as the single largest party. So I just want this information to be updated in the article. TayyabJaved10 (talk) 15:09, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 16:12, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Should be Keble Oxford

His college is in Oxford which is more important then England, if term England used why not the UK or even Europe 81.105.95.101 (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 September 2022

Arslanrafiq786 (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Movement against incumbent govt to begin this week, announces Imran Former prime minister and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan announced Wednesday that his protest movement against the current government will start this week, adding that the country's lawyer community will join him when he gives the final call, Aaj News reported. Addressing the lawyers' convention in Lahore, Imran said the ongoing wave of inflation was the highest in the country's history.

Protest at F9 park, but don't try to enter D-Chowk, warns Rana Sanaullah

The former premier said that there was a need for rule of law in Pakistan. "In the West, no one is allowed to commit violence like what happened with Shahbaz Gill," he said

Talking about the country's economy, he said the investment will not come unless the rule of law is established in Pakistan.

When I give the call to supporters, this government will collapse: Imran

Last week, Imran claimed that when he gives the call to his supporters to come out and protest, the coalition government "will not be able to bear it".

Earlier on Wednesday, Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah warned Imran Khan that supporters of his political party will be dispersed if they try to march to D-Chowk.

PTI chief to give protest call within two weeks: Fawad

In a tweet, the minister, without naming Imran, wrote that "no one can talk to a crazy and stupid person, no one is safe from his evil".

He said protest is a constitutional right, but warned supporters against entering D-Chowk.

Meanwhile, the Islamabad Capital Territory Police (ICT) said security at entry and exit points of the city’s Red Zone areas has been beefed up to ward off any possible law and order situation in light of a political rally.

The ICT said this was done after some people are headed towards Islamabad to have their political demands accepted.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. @Arslanrafiq786: please see Wikipedia:Not news. Kind regards ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 16:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 October 2022

Saima140 (talk) 18:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)  ISLAMABAD – A federal judge issued an arrest warrant on Saturday for former Prime Minister Imran Khan, for allegedly threatening a female judge in a public speech. 

After the court’s decision, the Anti-Terrorism Court directed Khan to appear at the lower court for bail, as the matter did not fall under its jurisdiction. When Khan did not appear at the bail hearing, the lower court issued a warrant for his arrest.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 October 2022

add next to the political party membership "tehreek e insaf" in the infobox please. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 14:58, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: PreserveOurHistory, the infobox's documentation disallows flag images per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. Best, ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 19:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

If he was an Army General we would have the flag of Pakistan army there. In this case can it not be allowed since the political party is a major part of this article. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 01:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 October 2022

M.alishahzad (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

[[ https://newsclashes.blogspot.com/2022/10/Imran-Khan-left-stage-being-ineligible.html%7CImran Khan has left the stage of being ineligible | Imran Khan]] :

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Recoil (talk) 10:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2022

Change

to

TWM03 (talk) 15:05, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done DeeDeeEn (talk) 15:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 November 2022

Change his birth place from Punjab to West Punjab (a province that existed from 1947 to 1955) and change Pakistan to Dominion of Pakistan! Agent05032 (talk) 10:06, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Pakistan is an independent republic, not a "dominion". Regarding his place of birth, please provide a reliable source. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:05, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

The Toshakhana Reference Case

Dear Wikipedia authorities, The Toshakhana Reference Case against Imran khan is nothing but a false political propaganda, as this case is still running in court, & the ECP ( Election Commission of Pakistan ) doesn't hold any position to give a verdict so this disqualification has no legal authenticity and whenever this case will be tabled in any civil court, the disqualification will be overturned. Untill then it is requested not to present a public figure which hold's huge following as a culprit because no one is guilty, until the verdict. This is causing defamation So kindly, wait until the verdict. 103.148.92.65 (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Marriage to Jemima Goldsmith

In the section of the page that states "Khan married Jemima Goldsmith, in a two-minute ceremony ",

This is pure speculation on the 2 minutes part. Please remove as there is no evidence for this. We should report facts on here. 86.5.202.27 (talk) 14:13, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Obvious bias in Foreign Affairs section

Last sentence of the section states "Shortly after, a US diplomat set in motion a constitutional crisis that ultimately led to his removal from office."

However, this characterization is misleading. The article cited only states that Mr. Khan "reiterated his claims of a 'foreign conspiracy' in the country..."

The cited article does not support the contents of this sentence and it should be removed or amended to clarify that this is purely an accusation from Mr. Khan, as opposed to an event which definitively happened. 173.49.87.45 (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the entire sentence since it isn't supported by the reference. If someone wants to add it back, please also provide a direct reliable source. --RegentsPark (comment) 20:09, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2023

Imran Khan Niazi has been declared incompetent from general elections by Supreme court of Pakistan for 5 years. 119.152.134.80 (talk) 09:45, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 11:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Minor edit request concerning typo

On the article, it says "the no-confidence motion was illegaly rejected" but, as far as I know, all major dialects of English spell the word as illegally, with two double ls. May someone who has access please change this?

Novo Tape (talk) 23:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2023

Add Tyrian in his childerns. Theraza (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 06:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

• 
  Khan in 2023

I'm leaning if image could change to this most current one because the image residing currently in infobox is of 2019.Wallu2 (talk) 17:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. He doesn't look any different from 2019 and the current image is way more professional looking than this one Uzek (talk) 18:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

About Imran Khan

He is the only one who thinks about our Pakistan 175.107.217.76 (talk) 08:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2023

Imran Khan's arrest was deemed legal by the Islamabad High Court. Divsya Tripathi (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Where do you want to add the text? Lightoil (talk) 04:03, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2023

The Supreme Court of Pakistan on Friday, May 12, 2023, said that the arrest of Imran Khan was illegal. The court ordered for his immediate release. -- This line needs to be added below the line where his arrest is mentioned. Divsya Tripathi (talk) 05:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 00:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: Are you suggesting that bbc.com is not a a reliable source? Peaceray (talk) 15:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Peaceray: I have no idea what I was thinking (most likely didn't see the cited source). M.Bitton (talk) 18:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2023

Imran khans birthday is incorrect. He was born October 5, 1952 Humanpeace2022 (talk) 06:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callmemirela 🍁 13:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2023

Imran Khan’s Birthday is October 5 Humanpeace2022 (talk) 14:42, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. AnnaMankad (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Noting that in the Early life and family section that it states Khan was born in Lahore on 25 November 1952. Some reports suggest he was born on 5 October 1952. So this is already mentioned. Peaceray (talk) 16:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2023

and latterly Khan, was released on verdict of Supreme Court, and Imran Khan got protected bail from Islamabad High Court on May 12, till 23 May in Al-Qadir University Corruption Scandal. MuhsenNysar (talk) 05:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -Lemonaka‎ 08:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the article. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 00:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2023

Imran Khan, the current Prime Minister of Pakistan, is not just a political figure but also a prolific writer. He has authored several books, ranging from his personal memoirs to books on politics, cricket, and social issues. In this article, we will explore [Khan’s literary] works, their impact, and why they are worth reading. Sobiahelp (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2023 (2)

[Works of Pakistan’s Prime Minister] Sobiahelp (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:52, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Haqeeqi azadi with imran khan

Hamza ashraf 188.79.116.155 (talk) 19:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Geo G 37.224.117.17 (talk) 10:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

--Sobiahelp (talk) 12:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[Works of Pakistan’s Prime Minister-]

Refs

• The end of the affair: How Imran Khan went from the Pakistan Army’s saviour to its nemesis Mohammed Hanif BBC

Bookku (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Removing source-based changes

@User talk:SahafatKaLover18 I have cited reliable sources for the changes that I made. Stop pretending like you have any editorial control over the page.

For waving the cypher, see: The Express Tribune. Insight 3 (talk) 03:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@User talk:SahafatKaLover18 Instead of edit warring, talk here. Insight 3 (talk) 04:15, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Reply

@User:Insight 3 As contributors to Wikipedia, it is essential that we adhere to the guidelines and principles of neutrality. Our goal is to present information in a balanced and unbiased manner, allowing readers to form their own opinions based on the facts presented. Therefore, it is crucial to avoid using language that promotes a particular political stance or implies favoritism towards any entity, including the establishment.

Specifically, the phrases "Pro-Establishment phase" and "With the help of the establishment" carry connotations that may compromise the neutrality of the article. Similarly, it would be just as wrong for someone to now go on the Wikipedia pages of the current government and state that they are aligned with the same establishment.

The issue was YOUR claim about the cypher which was completely false. You claimed it was waved after he left office, which is incorrect because the letter was revealed on 27 March 2022 at a rally, his government ended on 9 April 2022.

I kindly request that you reconsider these terms and strive to maintain a neutral tone throughout your edits. It is vital to use language that is objective and supported by reliable sources. By doing so, we can ensure that the Wikipedia page of Imran Khan remains a reliable and unbiased source of information for all readers.

Nadeem F. Paracha, whom you're trying to use as a source, has expressed support for political opponents of Imran Khan, referring to them as "holding the key to a more sensible Pakistan." I would like you to take a look at the following statements:

Interviewer: "Do you think that political conservatives like Nawaz Sharif should have been supported by liberals and liberal parties at least on its stance with respect to the army?

Nadeem: "And yes, I agree that Sharif deserves as much of an ear from the liberals as do the PPP, ANP, and MQM. To me, these four parties hold the key to a more sensible Pakistan."SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 04:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Insights Reply

"Unbiased" doesn't mean what looks "good" to certain people and how can neutrality be achieved if the article consists only of the sources that are NOT critics of Imran Khan? Plus, the cipher thing is not just reported by Nadeem F. Paracha, there are plenty of national newspapers reporting the same thing. Anyway, I don't think this issue can resolved without the intervention of a third party. Insight 3 (talk) 06:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

My reply

Again, please reread what I said. The issue is not with the ciphers existence, you claimed it was "waved" when he wasn't Prime Minister anymore. The cipher was revealed on 27 March 2022, almost 2 weeks BEFORE he left office. Please use google translate because you seem to not understand what I'm saying. Also Nadeem is NOT a reliable source because you are using someone's opinion who CLEARLY has a bias to say that the establishment sponsored Imran's October 2011 rally, when Nadeem is on record saying he supports the political opponents of Khan. Clear violation of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 06:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I know nothing about the facts of this dispute. But SahafatKaLover18 cites Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, while claiming that a "source [which] has expressed support for political opponents of Imran Khan" is unacceptable. This seems contradictory. Maproom (talk) 07:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I attached the source as well, those are his own words. SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 07:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

If dates were the real issue, you could have simply corrected them rather than removing the whole edit. Is not the case that you actually don't want the "cypher drama" in the section? Actually, by 27 March, Khan knew well his govt was just matter of days.

And why you removed this edit from the lead section: "On 9 May 2023, Khan was arrested on corruption charges at the High Court Islamabad. He blamed army for his arrest and allegedly encouraged his supporters for violent protests and attacks on military installations. As a result, the army responded strictly by apparently closing the so-called 'Project Imran Khan'" that had multiple citations?

And I'm taking your words "Please use google translate because you seem to not understand what I'm saying" as a personal insult. Insight 3 (talk) 07:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

It was removed because there is no source for your claim of "encouraging for violent protests and attacks on military installations".

Again with the violation of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, "Project Imran Khan" is a recently created term by political opponents. I don't understand why you're making such a big deal, the lead section already stated he was arrested and it is still there. For your satisfaction, I have now added him accusing the army chief of ordering his arrest. SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 07:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@SahafatKaLover18 I advice you to take back your words by striking out (strike out) your objectionable sentence talking about google translate and all, that does not seem to be WP:CIVIL enough. And also WP:NPOV works differently than what you seem to assume.

Both of you need to provide summary describing what the content dispute is all about, that may help both of you avoid misunderstandings . Bookku (talk) 07:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

My summary

Basically I was reverting User:Insight 3's edits to restore the article to it's original state before the disruption occurred. Insight introduced biased language and terms like 'Pro-Establishment phase' and 'With the help of the establishment,' compromising neutrality when we should be avoiding language that promotes specific political stances. SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Article talk pages are not for personal complaint - that venue is different, we are asking summary of what is the content dispute point by point. Meaning there by which sentences and which sources are having disagreement, what is Insight 3's opinion and how your opinion differs from theirs. All explanation in most brief way. That helps others to help you. Bookku (talk) 08:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

My summary

I found some facts missing from the "No-confidence Motion" section and added the following text with reliable references:

On 8 March 2022, the opposition parties submitted a motion of no confidence against him to the National Assembly's secretariat. After being removed from the office, Khan claimed and waved a diplomatic cypher in the public, in violation of state secret legislation, from the US allegedly urging for action be taken to remove Khan in a coup. Though, later he changed his stance about the US conspiracy against his government. And in the lead section: On 9 May 2023, Khan was arrested on corruption charges at the High Court Islamabad. He blamed army for his arrest and allegedly encouraged his supporters for violent protests and attacks on military installations. As a result, the army responded strictly by apparently closing the so-called 'Project Imran Khan'.

The user:SahafatKaLover18 undid the edits by calling them based on biased sources. They undid my edits twice. The terms 'Pro establishment' and 'Project Imran' they objected on are being used in the press frequently.Then I stopped editing the page one-sidedly, otherwise they were quite willing to go into a full-fledged edit war. Insight 3 (talk) 08:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Insight 3 Keeping aside SahafatKaLover18's apprehensions aside for a while; those sentences/ phrases may need some re-paraphrasing or context as explained below.

As long as multiple WP:RS exists not much harm in using euphemistic phrases like 'Pakistan establishment' since we can provide context by linking the word Pakistan establishment with related WP article. But in some cases euphemistic wording 'Project Imran Khan' can be difficult to understand for uninitiated readers without adequate context.

These euphemistic words are used by media as much for criticism the other reason is pressure on media to not directly criticize Pakistan's defense leadership and or government in power. Wikipedia does not have that pressure and can take criticism on board without euphemism.

IMHO best way to handle is see how international news agencies like BBC Jazeera and all are handing the information and how they provide context to the reader.

'waved a diplomatic cypher' there is a related article you can see if you can take summary from there or what other sources are saying in that article. And also you can find good number of sources on talk page there which I had collected and still unused. Bookku (talk) 11:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I'm willing to rephrase/paraphrase some lines and to give more adequate context for some info once my edits are reinstated. But as long as I'm citing reliable sources, someone shouldn't be removing my edits by calling them political biases. Insight 3 (talk) 12:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

This talk page already gives contentious topic notice and both sides are informed on talk page, so revert business without forming consensus on the talk page may lead to topic bans. Hence I suggest to focus on discussing your proposed updates sentence by sentence further since you know WP policies where as @SahafatKaLover18 and other users can help provide inputs and grammar improvement suggestions. I suppose after unless any other inputs come for my next subsection opinion that may help reduce misunderstandings and differences at least to an extant. Cheers to both of you. Bookku (talk) 14:13, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I have updated and improved my previous edits. Now you and others may give your feedback and inputs. As far as the term "Project Imran Khan" is concerned, it is used so much in both national and international media that I think a separate page can be created upon it. Insight 3 (talk) 16:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

It was never used in international media and you didn't update it. Majority of it is still the same. There are NOT supposed to be any sources or citations in the lead there was a note that said so. Additionally, your claim of the military responding "strictly by apparently closing the so-called Project Imran" is an opinion and was never said by the military itself.

Moreover there is no evidence that Khan allegedly "won" the military's support and confidence which lead to 100,000 people showing up to a rally.

The original text was neutral and more concise. SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I have removed the claim that Khan "allegedly encouraged his supporters for violent protests and attacks on military installations." This is not true as someone in custody cannot encourage supporters to come out or attack military installations. No statement came from Khan until 12 May 2023, the day he was released. SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 01:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Political rise and fall of IMRAN KHAN, Nadeem and NPOV

Let us discuss Nadeem F. Paracha's article Political rise and fall of IMRAN KHAN, Dawn (newspaper).

My safer option where possible

Idk of other users but about Pakistan and generally South Asia I would prefer 2 plus 2 formulae i.e. two Reliable sources from Pakistani media (Generally Dawn plus The News International or Daily Jang the rest of English Pakistan media for supportive purposes; plus two international media sources like BBC NYT WaPo VOA DW etc. International sources may have their own systemic biases where as local national media can be under Capitalist or political pressure. Four sources can make the best balance. That does not mean a factual report on basis of single RS should not be taken into account, but I am just suggesting best practice to have less controversy. I have seen generally in two years time scholarly academic sources become available on Pakistan once that happens prominence should be given to academic sources.

Though many Wikipedians are found to be apprehensive of opinion pieces as WP:GREL indicates far from expressly banned as per WP:SECONDARY policy

.. A secondary source provides thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. ..

• WP:NPOV:

.. all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. ..

• Also ought to be read with WP:VOICE.

Above said Nadeem's article seems fairly take overview - just article heading has speculative part that this may be political end of Imran Khan factually no one can predict any one's political future hence any such prediction preferably be avoided in Wikipedia article at least in Wikipedia voice and last 3 paragraphs of that article seem to be written for supporting alleged prediction. If we leave News heading and bias in last 3 paragraphs and also balance 'Political rise and fall of Imran Khan' with other reliable sources with proper attributions avoiding WP:Voice as suggested above; IMHO balanced encyclopedic coverage of the opinions on political rise and fall of Imran Khan should not be difficult. Bookku (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Diverted discussion

I believe that a page ban should be placed on User:Insight 3. Let's take a look at their sandbox, which is filled with clear bias and emotionally charged claims.

"Imran Khan got married to Bushra Bibi despite her refusal."

"Tehreek-e-Insaaf's reaction was not a reaction of a political party but a reaction of a fan club that has turned into an extremist sect. This fan club doesn't think anyone is right except itself. Much of the vehemence in Tehreek-e-Insaaf's reaction was actually the result of the training that the party leadership did through its statements. As long as the military generals were political helpers of Imran Khan, Imran Khan used to sing songs of these generals, when the generals turned their backs, Imran Khan started threatening them by naming them." SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 02:26, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

This is for both users:

• First thing first just Assume Good Faith focus sentence by sentence discussion on this talk page without personal aspersions.
• Discussions relating personal behavior has to be limited to user talk pages, WP:ANI and WP:ARE. IMO this is basically content dispute not fair to personalize at least at this stage. Personalizing can boom rang too so avoiding that is strongly advised.

@SahafatKaLover18 generally sandboxes and drafts are transitional and avoided for judgements the better. Bookku (talk) 02:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@SahafatKaLover18 I'm wondering from where you got all those passages, there is nothing like this in any of my sandboxes. Will you give us some link? Insight 3 (talk) 03:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm wondering if you genuinely forgot or are lying, they are still up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Insight_3/sandbox_1 SahafatKaLover18 (talk) 03:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I am preparing a draft and I translated an Urdu source and pasted it there as it is. I even didn't fully read it. This is meant to be trimmed, copy edited, and paraphrased further. This is the practice sandboxes are there for. This is so immature to draw conclusions from someone's sandbox. Insight 3 (talk) 03:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Insight 3 and @SahafatKaLover18

I request both of you to read WP:BLP and WP:BLPTALK. I advice Insight 3 not to repeat statements like ".. got married to .. despite her refusal." without substantive WP:RS citation.

@SahafatKaLover18 Policy at WP:BLPTALK seem to suggest to avoid copy pasting of unconfirmable BLP violations even for discussion and hence I suggest redaction of the same as per WP:BLPTALK.

And also please make a point to take such discussions not related to this article (Specially having personal behaviour angle) be discussed at user talk pages. Diverting from main topics is much waste of energy of every one. And come back sentence by sentence discussion for this article. Bookku (talk) 05:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-consensus

1) As the user SahafatKaLover18 didn't change the text: On 8 March 2022, the opposition parties submitted a motion of no confidence against him to the National Assembly's secretariat.[369][370] On 27 March 2022, Khan waved a diplomatic cypher from US in the public,[371] claiming that it demands to remove Khan's government in a coup.[372] Though, later he changed his stance about the US conspiracy against his government.[373][374] ... so I assume we have arrived at a consensus here.

2) They made changes to my edit in the lead section and I don't insist on including the word 'Project Imran'. So this is resolved too.

3) But they have completely removed the edit and section heading: Pro-establishment phase:Around 2011, Khan won support and confidence of the military establishment and as a result, on 30 October 2011, Khan addressed more than 100,000 supporters in Lahore, ...... which I insist to be there, as there are plenty of evidences to show that there was a "Pro establishment phase" in Khan's career and the successful gathering of October 2011 was not without establishment's help.The Express Tribune, BBC Therefore, it must be mentioned in Khan's political career. Insight 3 (talk) 07:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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