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speech during UNO

St. Julius Nyerere?[edit]

I just noticed these external links:

Process initiated to declare Tanzania's founding president a saint
Is Nyerere's process to sainthood timely?

Do you think that Nyerere's Catholicism is worthy of sainthood? Please explain why or why not. Many thanks. Diamantina 12:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Nyerere is not being considered for sainthood (at least not by the Roman Catholic Church). --Ezeu 01:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed Unsourced Statement[edit]

I removed: "Unfortunately, many believe that his socialist policies were directly responsible for the Hutu uprisings against the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi and played the major role in the ongoing sectarian genocides in that region." This had already been marked as "citation needed" for a while before I got to it, and is pretty inflammatory, so I removed it (especially since I had never heard this before, and given that Nyerere did not rule over either Rwanda or Burundi, the statement isn't immediately self-evident). If someone has a source for this, it would make for a very interesting addition to the article, though. Nicolasdz 09:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

"First Tanzanian..."[edit]

How can one claim that Nyerere was "the first Tanzanian to study at a British university", when Tanzania did not exist at this time? Perhaps he was the first Tanganyikan? Either way, can someone please provide a source, because as it stands now, the claim is highly irrational. --webkid (talk) 05:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Does this article meet the standards of wikipedia?[edit]

Articmike (talk) 01:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is terribly biased and needs to be rewritten. There's not a single word in this article about the process by which the article alleges the subject was "elected" president of the new Tanzania, then seemingly never again stood for election, after which he served more than 20 years. The article as written states that the subject admitted in 1976 that he had to junk his economic plan and that the country needed a new economic system, then "willingly" announced he would step down after an election -- to be held in 1985! Nine years after admitting defeat! There may be sources this author can cite to identify this politician as a benevolent dictator, or to argue that this dictator was not a bloody dictator, but whether these assertions could be possibly true is not even raised in this article. It is clear that the man was a dictator. Did the voters of 1964 know they were electing a president-for-life? If there are sources the author can cite that might establish that this dictator acted for the good of his country, or denied his people freedom and democracy for any good reason, the author chose not to cite such sources in the article. The author merely wrote a highly biased article. Articmike (talk) 01:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I would also add that the article fails to mention the forced relocation of 2/3 of the population to the collective villages. This was a key part of his ujaama policy.

Hal 10000.0 (talk) 12:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

This article fails any test for subjectivity there is. This is little more than a propaganda puff piece. (talk) 18:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

There is certainly a lot that could be added to his economic policies. History of Tanzania appears to have a lot of the opposite viewpoint. Perhaps you can use some information from there to fix up this ? This is not an invitation to trash Nyerere, but I agree it could use some balance. Wizzy 19:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

"Positions held"[edit]

I'm moving the following list to here from the article for now. f any of this is missing, it needs to be prose, and it seemed a bit randomly placed.

Positions held
  • 1954 A Founder Member of TANU
  • 1958-1960 Member of the Legislative Assembly in the first elections in which Africans were allowed to vote.
  • 1958 Leader of the Opposition in Parliament.
  • 1960 Chief Minister of the first Internal Self-Government Administration.
  • 1961 Prime Minister of the first Government of Independent Tanganyika
  • 1962 Elected President of Tanganyika when it became a Republic.
  • 1963-1970 Chancellor of the University of East Africa.
  • 1964-1985 President of the United Republic of Tanzania.
  • 1970-1985 Chancellor of University of Dar-es-Salaam.
  • 1977-1990 Chairman of Chama Cha Mapinduzi which was formed by a merger between TANU and the Afro-Shiraz Party of Zanzibar. CCM was born in Zanzibar on 5 February 1977.
  • 1984-1985 Chancellor of Sokoine University of Agriculture.
  • 1985: Retired from Presidency.
  • 1999: Died of leukaemia in London and was buried in Butiama (Musoma) - Tanzania.

--BelovedFreak 10:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Article Rating[edit]

I think this article needs a re-rating. It is an important person for Tanzania and deserves to reach GA status. Would appreciate any advice by anyone to help attain that status. Sputink (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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Detail: etymology of Ujjamaa[edit]

'the Swahili word for socialism comes from the word Jamaa — which literally means "familyhood" and the "extended family"'

I am not good enough in Kiswahili or Arabic to be certain, but I suspect that Kiswahili "jamaa" comes from Arabic jamea (جمع) meaning collection, collecting, gathering, combination. Maybe somebody familiar with the etymology of Kiswahili can check this. Mregelsberger (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)