Talk:Kazimierz Świątek

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Nationality[edit]

Do we really have to so extensively cover the subject's nationality and ethnicity? The subject's official biography makes no mention at all of Poland, it doesn't even contain the word "Polish". Do we have any sources at all which state that the subject considers himself to be Polish? Also, do we have any sources which state that the subject was a "Polish Catholic priest"? I am unfamiliar with the Polish Catholic church, isn't it actually the Roman Catholic church?Varsovian (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand your point about the Roman Catholic Church but you are also changing the categories. The latter I disagree with based on the article.

The article states his parents were Polish making him an ethnic Pole. Further he appears to have been a Polish citizen prior to World War Two. Therefore he would have been ordained by the Polish Roman Catholic as places like Pinsk were part of Poland then.

Assuming I am reading the article correctly then he was an ethnic Pole, Polish citizen and part of Polish Roman Catholic at the start of WWII hence the categories should be for Polish or both as he is now Belarusian.

Could we agree the following? Both Belarusian and Polish categories can be added (e.g. both Belarusian victims of Soviet repressions and Polish victims of Soviet repressions).

Further, if necessary, the article be altered to reflect he joined the Polish Roman Catholic but is a Cardinal in the Belarussian Roman Catholic. Jniech (talk)

It's a tricky one. I have no problem with listing him in both Belarusian victims of Soviet repressions and Polish victims of Soviet repressions as he was a victim of Soviet repression while Polish and while Belarussian (would you like to make the appropriate addition or shall I?). We can't, however, list him as a Polish cardinal: he is ethnically Polish but he is Belarussian cardinal. As for Polish Catholics, I'm not sure: he certainly was a Polish Catholic but now he is a Belarussian Catholic and it appears that he chooses to be Belarussian rather than Polish. With regard to the Polish Roman Catholic Church issue: firstly it's the 'Roman Catholic church in Poland' not the 'Polish Roman Catholic church'; and secondly do we really need to specify it? The article already says that he lived in Poland during the interbellum period. Varsovian (talk) 16:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree he is a Belarusian cardinal merely saying we could point out he joined via the Polish Roman Catholics Church in the hope to stop further disagreement, basically he joined as a Polish priest but is now a Belarusian cardinal. Personally it doesn't bother me either way.

Did he choose to be Belarusian rather than Polish? I see no proof. He returned to his home land (i.e. pre-war Poland but now in Belarus). I doubt the Soviets offered him the option to leave but factors like family/friends come into play if he did have the option. By the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, I suspect due to age he was more comfortable staying than leaving for Poland or elsewhere.

I will add some categories. We basically are in agreement hence unless any other editor comments then suggest the adding of Polish categories should be enough Jniech (talk) 16:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Just for the sake of clarity, which categories do you propose adding? Also, to the best of my knowledge most Poles from the Kresy were not only given the option to leave the USSR but were refused the option to stay in the USSR! Varsovian (talk) 16:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Gdy na fali pieriestrojki zaczęły powstawać polskie stowarzyszenia, a wśród nich Związek Polaków na Białorusi bardzo aktywnie włączył się w jego działalność, w którym pełnił funkcję zastępcy prezesa i wszedł do zarządu głównego. This is a fragment from polish article. So, Czalex, Świątek was a member of polish community and don't change it.--Rotgild (talk) 15:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

He died in 2011[edit]

This site: ]]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belarusian-cardinal-who-survived-gulag-death-sentence-dies-at-96/2011/07/21/gIQAprqeRI_story.html WP]] shows that this great Catholic died in 2011. 187.79.91.243 (talk) 14:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)agre22