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A fact from Lady Mary Hamilton appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 January 2015 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the novels of Lady Mary Hamilton may have influenced the naming of characters in Jane Austen's books?

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Innerdovat

Innerdovat is, fwiw, in the parish of Forgan (Fife) about a mile south-east of Newport-on-Tay - map History of Fife, page 64. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

George Robinson Hamilton of Jamaica.

He seems to have had 1577 acres - George's Valley - in Trelawny Parish. [1]

He's also associated with the Success estate, which seems to have passed to Mary in 1818 - it included 89 slaves and 100 head of stock. [2]

I think we're probably missing some information on Hamilton' wealth and the fact of Mary's slave-owning. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

this - page 111 - suggests Hamilton rented his estates to another person in exchange for an annuity in 1785. And this is worth a read, and suggests a circa 1785 date of arrival of Mary et al in Lille (no mention of Amiens). --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number of children &c

We have McMillan 2004 telling us she had 3 sons & 1 daughter with Walker. But the Yale ref says "According to her grandson, Lady Mary bore ten children, several of whom died in infancy. In 1782 she met and became involved with George Robinson Hamilton, a cousin of the Duke of Hamilton, and removed to France with him and two of her daughters, Betsey and Isabella."

We also say "She and George settled in France before the French Revolution, and their two daughters married respectively" ... but this is Betsey and Isabella, who (I think right now) were Walker's kids (and have now amended the article to infer this). Equally, whose daughter was Sophia Saint John Hamilton Alderson? Presumably Hamilton ... yes, confirmed by the very useful Sigler dissertation on Betzy's husband Paul Thiébault (the cad) --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile, piecing it together, she moved to Lille with Hamilton, and later to Amiens with Croft. Yale says "George Robinson Hamilton died in October, 1797.", which factette I'll add.

Oh - excellent; Yale reports her grandson speculated on the paternity of some of the childrn of the Walker era. Even better, Sigler's dissertation is offering us a spying angle. And Sigler also asserts that Mary refused to join Walker when he moved to Jaimaca, and so it's a lot more like she left him than that he disappeared: page 9 - "Lady Mary was estranged from her first husband, Dr. James Walker, and had refused to move to Jamaica with him when he took a position there as a prison physician." --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:12, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Women, Space and Utopia, 1600-1800

There's further analysis at https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=P7ShhleaB9kC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=munster+village+mary+hamilton&source=bl&ots=cJpCXnov-Q&sig=L7-6K7bDZb3-dWSsjjwzuWcq-oo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5UGrVOWfJ8X5UOm3hPAK&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=munster%20village%20mary%20hamilton&f=false - yours if you'd like to incorporate any of it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We can (not) haz pictures

Bah

1764 Lady Mary Leslie by Sir Joshua Reynolds (Kenwood House & Museum - London UK) - daughter of William Colyear, 3rd Earl of Portmore
Fashionable Ladies at the MFAH - 6th image - only site to show this as Mary Leslie - mistake? - yup, is Kitty Fisher as Cleopatra

--Tagishsimon (talk) 06:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I actually came across this image a few days ago, and asked whether it was our Lady Mary at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Can anyone help me identify the subject of this painting?. Someone noted that it might be a daughter of John Leslie, 10th Earl of Rothes. I'm still not sure either way (most sites don't specify, though I've found two websites that directly contradict each other about the subject). The date does imply it was Rothes' daughter since it uses her maiden name (and our Lady Mary was married by then). So in the end, too much uncertainty to use it here. :( Ruby 2010/2013 15:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. I got all excited, went as far as adding, then concluded that she was the Rothes child. I was much consoled by the late news about Sophia, though. I refuse to believe there is not a portrait or drawing of her, but... --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:56, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]