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@HesioneHushabye: this editorial commentary on Teena's gender performance is uncalled-for. Additionally, I would recommend that you add citations - for Wikipedia's purposes, none of this is "fact" if you can't cite it to a reliable source. See also WP:NOR. Welcome. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your comment. I am unclear on what your gripes are with the wording in the article. It is a FACT Chloe Sevigny was nominated for an Oscar for playing Lana, which is a huge reason there is public interest in her story. It is FACT Brandon Teena binded his breasts, and Lana was not a lesbian. it is FACT that Brandon Teena told many people various stories that he was planning or was transitioning, but there is NOT a record that he ever did this. I suggest you read the book, All She Wanted by Aphrodite Jones, which you can find online in Google Books and is cited at the bottom of this article. If you have a Netflix account, feel free to watch the film and documentary based on this story, or do additional research. HesioneHushabye (talk) 01:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not actually seeing that there's public interest in Tisdel as opposed to Teena, but let's put that aside. Wikipedia isn't about FACTs - it's about what's in reliable sources. Do sources on Tisdel mention that she was not a lesbian? Do they mention Teena binding his breasts in connection with his relationship with Tisdel? Do they mention that he didn't surgically transition and, if so, do they mention this in connection with his telling people he was transitioning? This is what Wikipedia's no original synthesis guideline is about - making sure that we as editors don't use Wikipedia to publish our own research and analyses, but rather that we only convey the conclusions drawn by reliable sources. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

actually, yes - the sources do make these things extremely clear. I'm glad you think your opinion on the events should be included in the article, and instead of having a discussion about it, and since you didn't get your way you put it up for deletion saying there is not interest, when you clearly are interested in the article if you keep coming back to it. 02:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, but if the sources say these things, you should cite them, and additionally, add other sources to demonstrate that Tisdel is notable. The interest of editors isn't a reason to keep the article - only the interest of reliable sources will do that. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:06, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

oh my, you missed have missed the 10 articles I had cited at the bottom of this page. Pity you didn't take time to read through them but instead nominated it for deletion. HesioneHushabye (talk) 02:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Roscelese is giving you good advice. Out policies about biographies of living people are very strict. Please take the time to read them carefully before making any more edits to this article. Some of the sources that you add to the article are not acceptable, for example mylife.com, or an obituary that doesn't explicitly support the claims in this article. You also can't use a Playboy article that someone copied to their personal website per WP:COPYLINK.- Mr X 02:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need any advice, thanks. and also, you failed to mention there is a book, and articles from the LA Times and New York Times used as sources HesioneHushabye (talk) 02:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]