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Robin Quivers vs Ronstadf

Why was this removed "In 1995 on The Tonight Show Ronstadt infamously attacked Howard Stern and his co-host Robin Quivers. The audience booed Ronstadt and cheered Quivers, who defended Stern. "Do you listen to the show, Linda? I think people who listen to the show understand what we're doing," Quivers said. Ronstadt admitted that she hadn't actually listened to the show. [126]" It had a source and in the "view history" said it was innacurate reflection of the source? It clearly sites what's written in the source.

Put back in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.76.235 (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Removed as trivial information. Sandcherry (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
How it is trivial? It was an attack on national TV! Hardly trivial. I want a mutual person to judge this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.76.235 (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I suggest editor Hullaballoo Wolfowitz as he is both mutual and neutral IMHO. I will contact him. Sandcherry (talk) 23:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I can fairly be called neutral; I removed the same information from the article. However, I don't think there's any case to be made that the content merits inclusion. There's noindication that any reasonable, neutral sources treat the matter as significant - it doesn't appear to be mentioned in any RS's after the initial news cycle. There's certainly no justification for describing it as "infamous." There's no justification for adopting the view that the audience sided with Quivers -- that is supported only by one anonymous wire service piece, not by the majority of accounts. The disputed text also alters Ronstadt's comments, to imply she'd never heard Stern, which is not a fair or reasonable interpretation of what she actually said. Quoting Quivers verbatim at some length while representing Ronstadt only with dismissive paraphrases is an NPOV violation. And the disputed text is selectively phrased, leaving out the underlying controversy -- Stern's ridicule of murdered Latina singer and her fans, which Stern issued a mealy-mouthed apology for, after almost unanimous denunciation. It's a BLP violation for Stern's followers to present the event as reflecting derisively on Ronstadt. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
As someone who has no particular interest in the subject of this page or in promoting her – indeed it's only on my watchlist at all because I removed some of the hyperbole from the lead a while back – I concur that this brief passing incident is at the trivial end of things compared to most of the content in this section and its inclusion appears to be more about making a partisan point about Stern and belittling anyone who criticises him. If the only third-party source we have recording the incident is a brief snippet from a newswire, that would seem to confirm that assessment. N-HH talk/edits 10:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, hold on - you said that it didn't say Linda admitted she didn't listen, but there's a direct quote in the article saying "Ronstadt said she didn't listen to it and added: "I think you're shilling for him and I think he's taking advantage of you."

You guys can try to wash Linda of any controversy linked to her, fine - but this incredibly bias written article should be checked over.

"its inclusion appears to be more about making a partisan point about Stern and belittling anyone who criticises him" How? It actually happened! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.76.235 (talk) 18:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

No one's disputing that it may have happened, we are disputing its significance and whether it needs to be included in the "personal life" section of an encyclopedic biography (or indeed anywhere in it). As I said, the inclusion of this relatively trivial passing incident here appears designed to score points. It does. N-HH talk/edits 09:20, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I concur with not including this item in this article, because although it appeared in multiple publications, it is only as celebrity gossip, there was no followup significant coverage, and Linda's opinions of other people and what they should do are not relevant. She's a prominent musician who has history as an activist, but not as an opinion leader on celebrities.
Only if she has made a habit of criticizing other celebrities for their stances (or non-stances) on issues Ronstadt considers important, and that habit has been documented in multiple independent RS, then this incident could be listed as one of those instances, very briefly, as in ...and was also critical of Robin Quivers on The Tonight Show in 1995 for not supporting women and blacks.(1)(2)(3)
Lots of celebrities shoot their mouths off, and it all goes away the next day. That's what happened here. --Lexein (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Number of Grammys

I have not changed the number that's in the lead, and I did not remove any of the purely factual claims in the Grammy Award section (though I did remove a "however" extrapolation that was original-research synthesis).

What I did do is request a citation for the claim that she was involved with the production of the 1980 album, which isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article. And what I do here is ask why, even if this were true, we would say she earned a Grammy for it when the Grammy Awards organization itself says she did not. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Categories

I restored some categories that were removed. I am of the opinion that categories for where people are "from" should be allowed to include places they adopted, not just their birthplace, esp. if they are famous for being natives of their adopted land.

Category:Country musicians from California

Category:Musicians from San Francisco, California

Category:Singers from Los Angeles, California

Category:Songwriters from California

Category:Writers from Los Angeles, California

Category:Writers from San Francisco, California

I have not verified exactly how accurate these are, but we have to have at least ONE category showing she was a california girl. she famously dated our governor, was a quintessential california girl for a period.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Article length

This is the longest freaking article of a musician I have ever read on Wikipedia. It is ridiculous how long this article is. Some die-hard fan must of written all of this because it is over-the-top in every sense of the word. My browser cannot handle the length of this thing. Someone NEEDS to revamp this whole article entirely. In my opinion, I think someone should just delete it all and start over from scratch. With all of the recent news I'm hearing about Linda Ronstadt, I think now than any other time would appropriate to revamp it. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 19:31, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete it all and start all over? How about no. You want a longer article? Try Madonna (entertainer) (22,000 words vs. 18,000 words). Now then, if you want to revamp it, that's fine as long as you stick to the principles of Wikipedia, one of which is that Wikipedia is not paper. (Another of which is assume good faith; if you had looked at the edit history, you would see that the article is the work of several people, not just one "die-hard fan".) Yes, articles should be kept to a reasonable length to keep them from breaking browsers like yours. This can be done both by splitting out long sections into separate articles and also by eliminating content which is not encyclopedic. These activities would be more productive than simply blanking the page. --GentlemanGhost (converse) 03:16, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Maria Linda Ronstadt

Linda's birth name is Maria Linda Ronstadt. At least according to a member of her immediate family. Just because you can find a reference that says she was born Linda Maria Ronstadt does not make it true. Some sources, for example, the first Stone Poneys Album, cite her name as Linda Marie Ronstadt. Unfortunately, the only way to prove this is to show an Arizona birth certificate. But birth records in Arizona are closed to the public. Sort of reminds me of Marilu Henner's conversation on a talk show. Her birth name was wrong on Wikipedia, so she herself corrected it, but some bonehead reverted it back because she did not provide proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.34.64 (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I'm the one that reverted the incorrect and totally unsupported 'Maria Linda Ronstadt" name. If you want to prove to the world what "a member of her immediately family" (who?) says her birth name is - just find the source and cite it. It's simple, really. I found a reputable source (Allmusic) saying she was born "Linda Maria", and have seen absolutely zero evidence of your claim. Hey, if she really was born Maria Linda, I would want WP to list that as correct. Unfortunately, until a reliable source is found stating this, all official sources listing her birth name as Linda Maria will just have to do... Doc9871 (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
P.S.: I see that 67.235.34.64 (talk) has exactly four edits on WP. The first was simply changing the name in the article with no citation of proof. The next two changes involved reverting to this removed change twice. Finally, the entry above (which should be at the bottom of the talk page, not the top). This is one editor, offering no proof, reverting the same change repeatedly, down in sunny Florida. The IP address can be traced, and IP's can be blocked from WP if they have demonstrated a pattern of vandalistic behavior. Do not revert "Linda Maria Ronstadt" to "Maria Linda Ronstadt" again without a solid reference, included in the article. Thanks again :> Doc9871 (talk) 08:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

The best evidence of Linda's legal name is provided by court records from Pima County, Arizona. I am referencing a case where Linda sued an overzealous fan. This would be case number C20003006. If you go to the website http://www.agave.cosc.pima.gov/PublicDocs/ and search for that case number, you will see Linda's legal name, as provided to the court by her attorney. In the early days of her career, Linda provided her name as Linda Maria and Linda Marie, and that has been repeated in many articles. By the way, I am not a vandal- just striving for accuracy. In the late '60s, before becoming well know, Linda was also was known to sign her autograph as "Maria Linda Ronstadt." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.34.64 (talk) 04:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Now we're talking - some decent evidence! It's good to know you're not a vandal, but the way you were going about editing the entry is clearly not the way to do it. You seem to know something about this; if you could find any printed interview with her (or a family member) where she (or they) confirms her birth name, I believe you would be golden. Even a news article concerning the Arizona civil case that mentions the name difference would do. Without a solid reference to back it up, it will undoubtedly be reverted by other editors down the line, because they will rely on the most widely available sources (which all say "Linda Maria"). The court document certainly supports your claim, and would be excellent evidence in the article body, but on its own it's not conclusive enough. Keep at it, because if you are indeed right, it certainly belongs here in WP. Doc9871 (talk) 04:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I've not seen "Maria Linda" referenced in any interview. The two people who "know" Linda and confirmed this to me don't want their names used, and besides, a print source is needed for Wikipedia. 67.235.34.64 (talk) 07:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

You're correct about the print source being needed, which is why I am one of the literally thousands of editors that would have reverted "Maria Linda"; I just happened to get it the third time. I'm not saying you're wrong about it, and in fact, if it can be proven, it would be a pretty significant thing to add to her WP biography. But if it cannot be proven with any solid evidence, it won't convince the massively huge Wikipedia jury to have it here. Think about it like this; the burden of proof is on you to convince people beyond a reasonable doubt that she was born Maria, and that's quite a hefty task. That's too bad... I was hoping maybe something else would be found. Good luck to you, sir... Doc9871 (talk) 08:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
A source merely needs to be reliable, not "print". If a video clip of her saying that that was her name was extant, it could be cited, as long as it was in some way publicly accessible. The court citation would also likely be acceptable, as long as there's some way to be clear it's actually her being discussed. (Oops: baylink@en_w; *why* doesn't mediawiki *yet* have login fields near Save Page?) --64.31.159.157 (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
If it can be found, by all means include it. Note that a clip from something like "YouTube" is not a reliable source (copyright problems especially), and certainly cannot be linked to; if it's an interview, there should be a transcript. I've never heard of "Maria Linda Ronstadt", so very good luck. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 09:04, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Similar subject - Linda's mother's given name. Linda's father's website bio shows it as two words: "Ruth Mary" http://www.ronstadtdesigns.com/catalog/Gilbert_Ronstadt_Prints-1-1.html 173.57.26.87 (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

There's plenty of evidence to indicate her full legal name is Maria Linda Ronstadt. In addition to the court record cited above (http://www.agave.cosc.pima.gov/PublicDocs/ case number C20003006), the genealogy geneanet.org has her listed as such - http://gw5.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en;pz=timothy+michael;nz=dowling;ocz=0;p=maria+linda;n=ronstadt . As was the case with the discussion over where she went to college (even though it is obvious she went to UofA) both UofA and ASU are listed in this article with citations for both. Perhaps her name should be treated similarly with multiple names and citations for each. If we can find the other court documents where she got a restraining order against the schizophrenic who was stalking her that would probably settle it. As for what her real name is, well, it would appear to me that her legal name is Maria Linda Ronstadt. Ronald Joe Record (talk) 02:33, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I've seen her driver's license, I did work for her about twenty years ago in San Francisco. It's 'Maria Linda Ronstadt'...and her credit cards said 'Maria Ronstadt.' In Mexican tradition 'Maria Linda' is a common name, 'Linda' meaning 'pretty.' And it's never the other way round.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.55.39.234 (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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Full Name

https://www.discogs.com/artist/262943-Linda-Ronstadt has Linda's name as Linda Susan Marie Ronstadt; I have never seen the Susan before, but I thought I would mention that. Shocking Blue (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

At Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, Discogs is listed as unreliable because they accept user input. Binksternet (talk) 16:16, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Excellent interviews

Besides being a great source and interview, she reconfirms her romantic relationship with Lowell George, something she mentioned during a concert in 1977 (starting at 15:00). She mentions the fact as part of her introduction to her next number, which is his song Willin'. She explains that she didn't know he was married, and that his wife was pissed off.

Here's the interview:

The whole article needs to be opened (click the "Read more" link) to get to this part:

  • YAHOO: You left out almost anything about your personal relationships. So it was kind of shocking to pick up "Willin': The Story of Little Feat" [a recent biography by the famous Rolling Stone journalist Ben Fong-Torres] and see you talking so incredibly candidly in there about your romance with Lowell George.

Here's another good interview:

BullRangifer (talk) 16:42, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

'Today's dollars'

The text refers repeatedly to "in today's dollars." This should be replaced with the year to which "today" relates.

Like "currently," today should be avoided in encyclopedia articles, since the reference could become outdated and inaccurate at any time. This is not a breaking news story. Sca (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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Adding - "First female artist to have a platinum certified album"

I had a discussion with a friend about who was the first female artist to have a platinum certified album. I could not find a reference to it anywhere on google/bing. I looked backwards through riaa.com, and LINDA RONSTADT - HASTEN DOWN THE WIND - Platinum certified on October 28, 1976 is the first album I could find.

Is this research enough to verify this?

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=LINDA+RONSTADT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmyvex (talk • contribs) 16:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't rely on its editors' own research. In order to include this statement in the article, we'd want to have a reliable source that supports it. - Nellis 00:17, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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Jazz singer

I request that Wikipedia avoid classifying Linda Ronstadt as a jazz singer unless that can be supported with multiple, reliable, independent sources. AllMusic classifies her music pop, rock, country, vocal. She spent most of her life singing pop and rock with an occasional detour. One of those detours was three albums with the Nelson Riddle Orchestra. These albums are more accurately described as traditional pop, not jazz. Nevertheless, those albums were exceptions in her career. They were not representative of her career. You wouldn't call her a rapper if she only sang "Baby Got Back" for a Star Wars soundtrack.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

With Nelson Riddle

The article says, "The two embarked on an unorthodox and original approach to rehabilitating the Great American Songbook" without going into detail about what that meant. I would like to see a source for this claim to prove it isn't the writer's opinion. I would also like to see how Ronstadt and Riddle did something unorthodox and original on those albums. Moreover, I was unaware the Great American Songbook needed rehabilitating. It's an odd word choice for several reasons. Rehabilitation is something most people associate with drug and alcohol addiction. If the writer is trying to use figurative language, which is probably a bad idea in an encyclopedia, it still contradicts the logic of what the previous part of the sentence is trying to establish, that Ronstadt and Riddle did something unorthodox and original with or to the Great American Songbook. The assumption seems to be that the Songbook was defective or moribund before being rescued by Ronstadt and Riddle. I doubt either would claim that. Is it it the rehabilitation that is original and unorthodox? Or their method of rehabilitation or what? I suspect the writer would have been better off choosing between original, unorthodox, and rehabilitate rather than grabbing all three from the cookie jar. But what I suspect more is that the writer wants to say how much they (yes, they) enjoyed those albums and was fumbling for adjectives that sounded elevated and estimable. In fact, weren't those those fairly orthodox albums? If DJ Nelson and LL Linda had put some rap and hip hop over those tunes, now that would have been original. Stupid, but original.
Vmavanti (talk) 00:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Singer-songwriter?

Is Linda really a singer-songwriter? Looking through her discography, I only saw a couple songs that she actually wrote (along with other people). Writing a few songs does not a singer-songwriter make. I didn't want to chance anything before consulting people who know Linda's career better than I do. Has she written a bunch of songs that aren't listed? If not, she shouldn't be labeled as a singer-songwriter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.0.123 (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

While BMI credits her with only nine songs[1], when an artist is famous as a singer primarily, but has also written songs for themselves and/or others: they are generally credited as a songwriter, too. On the other hand, I agree that she's not necessarily a "singer-songwriter" as that term is generally pretty lame in my opinion, anyway. If you thought that crediting her as "Singer, songwriter, ..." is better than "Singer-songwriter", I would tend to agree... Doc9871 (talk) 02:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia defines singer-songwriters as "musicians who write, compose and sing their own musical material including lyrics and melodies. They often provide the sole accompaniment to an entire composition or song, typically using a guitar or piano. A number of other well-known musicians may write some of their own songs, but are usually called singers instead." I think Linda fits that last category. So, I agree "singer, songwriter" works better, and apparently songwriter just barely. Nothing wrong with being just a singer, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.0.123 (talk) 13:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Good call, Mister/Missus IP![2] A good WP:BOLD change that needs to be discussed here if it is felt to be in error. I don't believe that it is: but I'm just some geek behind a screen. Let the others chime in, please! Cheers :> Doc talk 07:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Linda is most widely known as a singer who interprets the songs of others. To me, a "singer-songwriter" is someone like Jackson Browne or James Taylor, whose career has been mainly based on writing their own songs. "Singer, songwriter,..." seems appropriate for Linda.Shirtwaist (talk) 12:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I think even Linda would agree, as she doesn’t consider herself to be a song writer, she’s talked about it in interviews. She’s only recorded 3 songs of her own, and she co-wrote them. Technically a song writer but not worthy of singer-songwriter. I agree a comma is in order. TJ Wash (talk) 00:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Linda Ronstadt Memoir

Someone (IP address only) added the following to the Heart Like a Wheel album article. It isn't relevant there (but will be eventually on the disambiguation page), but maybe something an editor wants to add to this article.

  • In the summer of 2011, Ronstadt received a $2.1 million advance from hardcover house Simon & Schuster Publishers to write her autobiography. Linda's memoir, entitled Heart Like A Wheel, is slated to be published in January 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.wong.wiki (talk • contribs) 19:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The memoir is titled Simple Dreams, but that’s probably been long cleared up by now TJ Wash (talk) 00:14, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Religious affiliation

I read this article looking for a reference to her religious affiliation if any and did not find anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.143.44 (talk) 13:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

She was raised Catholic and refers to herself as a spiritual agnostic or atheist. I have no citation, just what I’ve read. TJ Wash (talk) 00:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Clean up

I have spent many hours cleaning up this article and now I'd like others to step in and continue this work:

Combine identical <refs>

Combine if the URL is the same, even if there are slight variations in the details.

Television Bans?

At one point wasn't she banned from television, or from prime-time television because she didn't wear a bra? This seems noteworthy if true. I heard that back in the day, but don't have a reference for it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.202.33.17 (talk) 23:27, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I can find no source to back this up. It is an often-repeated story (both by Ronstadt and by others) that while preparing for her first appearance on the Johnny Cash Show, June Carter Cash realized that Ronstadt wasn't wearing underwear under her short dress, and required Linda to put some on. The only possibility that comes to mind is it is conspicuous that Linda never appeared on Ed Sullivan and he did ban or refuse to book the odd performer. 70.73.90.119 (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Filmography needs to be either expanded or divided

The filmography is a bit of a mess as it mixes Linda's relatively few appearances in scripted productions with a very incomplete account of her TV performance appearances. The list would probably need to be 10 times as long to account for all her TV appearances - as it is, it omits notable ones such as Midnight Special (on which she debuted You're No Good) and her numerous Tonight Show appearances. I'm recommending cutting those appearances from the list, or creating a new list of "selected television performances" for her singing appearances. That way it will make it easier to identify her actual acting roles. Per WP:BOLD I will probably go ahead and do this myself, but out of courtesy to those who may be in the process of working on this article, I'm happy to let others do this. 70.73.90.119 (talk) 14:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

"Linda Ronstadt" "Rollerskate Hooker" "Kennedy Center" "Donald Trump"

"When Variety did Google searches for the phrase “rollerskate hooker” and for images of Ronstadt on skates after the broadcast, the fake cover in question did not show up in any initial lists of top search results."


Why she moved to LA (Laurel Canyon documentary):

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 04:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

"Blue Bayou" and "It's So Easy"

The article claimed that Linda Ronstadt was the first woman to reach the Hot 100's top 40 with two singles, "Blue Bayou" and "It's So Easy". False. Melanie was in the Hot 100's top 40 with, not just two, but three, singles, on 26 February 1972: "Brand New Key", "Ring the Living Bell", and "The Nickel Song".

The article claimed that Linda Ronstadt's "Blue Bayou" and "It's So Easy" were both in the Hot 100's top 5 during the entire month of December 1977. False. The two songs were both in the Hot 100's top 5 during 10-31 December 1977, not the entire month of December 1977.

One can see these facts by reviewing the Hot 100 on Billboard.com .98.149.97.245 (talk) 06:41, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mexican-American

Could her description be written as Mexican-American? Yes, she wasn’t born or raised there, but it could refer to her ethnicity. We often see pages with people being referred to as Chinese-American, Filipino/American?’, Russian-American when referring to them. It’s how she describes herself. Urgeback (talk) 22:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2022

Re-format the 'See also' section so it doesn't overlap 'Explanatory notes'.


I have occasionally noticed this happening on other Wikipedia pages; could someone fix those other occurrences and see to it that it doesn't happen again?! Please 92.40.59.233 (talk) 00:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done Per MOS:SECTIONORDER, the portal bar should not be in the see also section. It has been moved to the end of the article, between the nav boxes and authority control. Since there were no see also links, the entire see also section is now removed. —C.Fred (talk) 01:23, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Infobox genres: pick 4

At Template:Infobox musical artist#genre, we are instructed to list a maximum of four genres, and to aim for generality. There's a lot of territory to cover with Ronstadt's career, so I am polling the interested editors to see what we all agree should be listed.

As I write this, the list of genres is as follows:

Certainly we can get rid of hard rock and soft rock. Mariachi isn't one of her main career genres, nor is art rock. I think the list should be reduced to Rock, pop, Latin and folk. Or listed in another order. What about country versus folk? Thoughts? Binksternet (talk) 16:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I rather think that it shows the weakness in suggesting that we should only list four genres. You say that mariachi isn't one of her main career genres. My impression is that she would disagree; she saw it as very important; it was certainly significant and influential “revive[ing] the mariachi tradition for both old and new audiences,” according to UCLA musicology professor Steven Loza in his 1993 book, “Barrio Rhythm: Mexican American Music in Los Angeles.” and has said "I learned a lot of my singing from Lola Beltrán," speaking about one of Mexico's most acclaimed ranchera singers; one of her aunts was Luisa Espinel for whom a booklet titled Canciones de Mi Padre was published by the University of Arizona published in 1946. Superficially, it may seem that the importance is slight; but that would be to misunderstand it. The term 'Latin' is too vague. Earnulf Gery (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Part of the issue is opinion. Honestly our opinion on what Ronstadt would or wouldn't say has nothing to do with the article. What matters is the information that can be supported by the resources we have access to. Also as previously stated, the template rules allow four genres. Yes, this handcuffs artists such as Ronstadt who branched out of pop, but it is what it is.
Because of this, it appears that the most SUPPORTED genres for her (meaning the ones that she had the most acclaim for and spent the most time performing, the albums she released, their charting, and the awards she won) are the four listed by Binksternet. If I added a fifth, as I see none of the previous four worth removing, it would be country.Ckruschke (talk) 18:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Ckruschke

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2022

Suggest article should mention her second memoir, Feels Like Home: A Song for the Sonoran Borderlands, which is scheduled for publication in October 2022 and is listed on Amazon for the purposes of verification. (Curious as to why the article has been protected: has there been a controversial edit?) 70.73.90.119 (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've added the relevant book to the Books section of the article. In relation to the page protection, it was set by administrator C.Fred on April 15th of this year with the protection lasting a year from that date. It was protected for Persistent vandalism. If you would like, you can go to the administrator's talk page and discuss the protection. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 03:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
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