Talk:List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign endorsements

Kacey Musgraves

Singer/songwriter seemingly endorsed the Harris/Walz ticket

https://x.com/kaceymusgraves/status/1827038302437831084?s=46&t=DHrrgCpYCKJJe8IurfF2PA 96.232.127.190 (talk) 04:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Republican WH lawyers

I'm not up for editing a template, but if someone else wants to add these, here are a number of WH lawyers in the Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush administrations who've just endorsed Harris -- scroll to the bottom for their names and positions. FactOrOpinion (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Yh just saw this, I think if we get a few volunteers who are willing to work through this list, as it’s pretty hefty, that could work. Anyone up for it? I will, but I need others Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry just a quick amendment to make: there is a massive list from US Today with a lot more officials from bush, McCain, and Reagan.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25071901-bush-mccain-and-romney-alumni-for-harris-statement Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it could be a useful list, as long as someone can verify that it is, in fact, from Erin Mansfield of USA Today. Right now it appears to be a document, stored in an AWS S3 bucket, that could potentially be from anywhere.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

It has been reposted by the majority of news outlets so I would assume legitimacy, but I’ll wait a while to see if anything new arises. I am currently making a stub page for the group. There are some amusing endorsements like, ‘helicopter pilot’. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 13:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I see a reference to the list here, so it seems safe to use it.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok good! Thanks! Haroldwinstanley (talk) 14:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Foo Fighters

Someone added them. I don’t think that giving proceedings from a case against Donald Trump counts as an endorsement. Please let me know if people think we should remove this. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 12:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to the statement that "any royalties received as a result of the Trump campaign's use of the song will be donated to the campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris and Gov. Tim Walz?" I agree. It almost seems like an endorsement, but I wouldn't count is as such. I support removal, unless someone can locate a reference that more clearly corroborates an endorsement.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I should have been more specific. Unless someone produces a more clear endorsement by the 28th, I’ll remove it. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

There is language, excerpted at the top of this Talk page, that relates to this issue.

3. Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which are specifically articulated as "endorsements".

Expressions of support, use of particular hashtags, comments about donating to a campaign, and other forms of praise of a candidate is often included as an "endorsement". Support of this criterion would require the endorsement be explicit. In most cases, this would require use of the word "endorsement" by the person endorsing or by media coverage thereof. Other language which can be understood as unequivocal endorsement can be discussed on a case-by-case basis (for example, "I am campaigning for Candidate X" or "I am backing Candidate X").

Trackerwannabe (talk) 21:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Recent edits

Hi, I don’t want to call @politicallymotivated out, because I think they’re doing a great job, but I did just want to check something. You are adding a lot of endorsements which is great. Im just a little worried about the validity of some of them, like Morgan Freeman who hasn’t endorsed her in a statement. Narrating a documentary is not an endorsement. Do you think you could give a short description on each endorsement you add, so that it’s easier to track them as you make so many edits! thanks! Haroldwinstanley (talk) 12:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Haroldwinstanley. I believe you meant to ping PoliticallyMotivated instead. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes sorry I did! @PoliticallyMotivated Haroldwinstanley (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, no worries for the public call out. I can understand that Morgan Freeman narrating a documentary is not a strict endorsement, and it's completely ok to remove it.

In the case of the Foo Fighters, media is reporting it as an endorsement (https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/foo-fighters-support-kamala-harris/ or https://people.com/foo-fighters-donate-my-hero-royalties-to-kamala-harris-campaign-8701472). A band donating money to a campaign shows complete support and it is a clear way of endorsing. I will go even further, the majority of democratic big donors never formally endorse, they just donate and media portrays them as supporters and endorsers. For me, it doesn't make a lot of sense to not mention Foo Fighters,

I've read someone mentioning Michael Bloomberg, but he has yet to endorse Kamala, he didn't donate to the Harris-Walz campaign, he just donated money to House Democrats.

And for sure I'll start adding short descriptions, no worries. PoliticallyMotivated (talk) 20:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

International DNC attendees

A number of international politicians that attended the 2024 DNC (but that have not explicitly expressed their support for Harris) have been listed on this page, such as Peter Obi, Yves-François Blanchet, and Troels Lund Poulsen. Should these really count as 'endorsements'? I understand that their attendance likely means that they do support Harris over Trump, but I don't think these necessarily indicate a direct endorsement either. Loytra (talk) 05:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you. I think we should leave the ones added for now, but not add anymore just to be careful. Obviously Sean O’Brien attended the RNC and that wasn’t an endorsement. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Why should we leave the ones added for now? Loytra (talk) 00:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Added them on the basis that this has been the standard for adding endorsements for the past couple of election cycles. Explicit statements of non endorsement (ex Sean O’Brien and an activist at the 2020 RNC) are also taken into consideration. I think it would require a more defined consensus on adding convention goers to remove them Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin of the Russian Federation

Seems like there is some back and forth on the page about adding Vladimir Putin. Seems like NBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post, and Politico support it. It seems i24 news is against it. Would like to see others’ thoughts Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC) Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Even in the accounts of NBC ("a teasing claim of support for Vice President Kamala Harris" and "The comments, dripping with sarcasm, will likely be dismissed by the White House and the Harris campaign.") and The Washington Post ("President Vladimir Putin claimed to be supporting Vice President Kamala Harris"), Putin's purported support for Harris seems to be less than entirely clear. It could have been tongue-in-cheek, if not outright disingenuous.

I would be disinclined to add him to the article. But if he were to be added, I would add a note (perhaps "unclear") and reference the i24 news article.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the initial addition, and have just removed another. I think the language used surrounding the ‘endorsement’ is dubious, and we should hold fire until either an official statement from Russia is made (doubtful), or a more high-profile outlet publishes it as true. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The closest I have seen to an official statement from Russia is this report from Reuters: The Kremlin reacts cautiously to Kamala Harris candidacy.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 21:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

We did not include Putin when he made similar statements about Biden. So I would suggest we follow that established precedent. Especially considering the DOJ statements that were released less then 24 hours ago. Tipsyfishing (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

My personal view is that it should be added. There are now a lot more sources reporting it is an endorsement. Regardless of how he said it, it is not up to us to determine if he was being serious or not. With that being said, I deleted again for now and added a notice in order to stop edit warring. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 18:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Putin endorsed Harris, we must acknowledge this in the article. We are not to editorialize his statements as we cannot see inside his or anyone else's minds. We must return Putin to the list immediately or risk being a partisan site. 2601:246:5601:EA80:34CD:719A:CFA9:A89 (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Putin endorsed Harris no matter the way you try to sugar coat it even if he thinks it will help trump. Harry sisson (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I am okay with adding his name to the list, but I still feel there should be some sort of asterisk next to, or explanatory text as part of, the entry. A number of news outlets seem to be qualifying his ‘endorsement’, at least one putting in quotes.

• Reuters: Teasing Putin says Russia backs Kamala Harris
• CNN: Vladimir Putin trolls US presidential race with ‘endorsement’ of Kamala Harris
• The Hill: Putin quips that he ‘supports’ Harris, citing ‘infectious’ laugh
• CBS News: Grinning Vladimir Putin suggests support for Kamala Harris and
  Putin wryly endorses Kamala Harris for president while criticizing Trump
• msn.com/Tampa Free Press: Russian President Putin Mockingly Endorses Kamala Harris In U.S. Presidential Election
• msn.com/Bloomberg News: Putin Quips He Prefers Harris to Trump Now That Joe Biden Is Out
• Yahoo! News/AFP: Putin backs Harris for US president, with wry smile

Trackerwannabe (talk) 19:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Considering that we had a similar discussion in the Biden page, and the Trump page and declined to add Putin in either. I see no reason to include him now. Tipsyfishing (talk) 19:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Where are those discussions? The closest I found was this which seems to indicate that an entry for him would not be included on the page, yet I see an entry which includes his name.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I will try and find the Trump one. But [1] was the Biden one. Have to link it this way as the discussion is no longer present on the Biden endorsement page. Tipsyfishing (talk) 21:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. There were some interesting suggested entries in the discussion, with the entry struck out.

I wonder if whether it might make sense to start a section something like Disputed endorsements. There certainly seems to be anything but unanimity, in the press, as to whether Putin's comments constitute an endorsement or something else. See, for example,

• Democrat dismisses Putin’s ‘support’ for Harris: ‘Classic doublespeak’
• Putin’s Harris comments aimed to weaken US election bid, analysts say

I'm not even sure Trump knows what to make of it:

• 'He did me a favor': Trump says he's 'insulted' by Putin's fake Harris endorsement

Trackerwannabe (talk) 23:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Putin is trolling. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  Probably, but he still endorsed her, it's not up to Wikipedia to decide which endorsements are legitimate and which ones aren't. I think we should add a note clarifying that several sources have described his endorsement as insincere. Jang317 (talk) 00:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

  It is up to the editors to decide the validity of something. We are non-partisan, and aim to publish the most accurate information as possible, for the sake of the readers who come to our pages for information. If there is a contested endorsement, it should be made clear that it’s contested, to avoid the spread of false information. This isn’t necessarily false information as such, but is disputed so we can’t risk posting this as a completely accurate endorsement that people can quote, we can in a ‘disputed’ section perhaps, but not in confirmed endorsements. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 07:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

  Tom Cotton made a 'tongue and cheek endorsement' to Bernie Sander in the 2016 Bernie Sanders presidential campaign but was not included in List of Bernie Sanders 2016 presidential campaign endorsements https://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/05/politics/tom-cotton-supports-bernie-sanders/index.html Mhaot (talk) 04:14, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Mild oppose It seems to be a very disputed endorsement. If we are to add this 'endorsement', it should be under a 'Disputed' header, or similar, to convey the appropriate nuance. Alexander Bonaparte Caesar (talk) 15:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• No. Plainly manipulative/sarcastic, as the sourcing makes clear. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• No, the OP's Seems like NBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post, and Politico support it. statement is a misrepresentation of the sources, all of which characterize the "endorsement" as non-serious. Zaathras (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

No. Hopefully this is the last time this is discussed. Kremlin has said it was not completely truthful…

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-joking-election-support-harris-zelenskyy-trump-meet-rcna172089 Haroldwinstanley (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Putin supporting harris? Surely not Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

References

References

Dick Cheney Endorsement?

Seems like there is a disagreement about adding Dick Cheney to the list would like to see everyone's thoughts on the matter [2]. Beppi121 (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Support adding. It has received enough media coverage and is stated clearly as an endorsement per WP:ENDORSE. The fact that his daughter said it is not too important, since we and other reliable sources include Jimmy Carter on the list because his son says so. It would make sense to wait maybe 24 hours to see if there are any conflicting statements from Dick, but if there isn't, this is definitely an endorsement. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 19:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Waiting 24 hours before adding for the reasons listed above. Tipsyfishing (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Mild oppose A public endorsement is a stronger statement than a decision to vote for a given candidate. From the reports I have seen, Jimmy Carter is at least enthusiastic to vote for Harris. In one report he is alleged to have said “I’m trying to make it to vote for Kamala Harris.” While I still wouldn't consider that an endorsement, we at least have an indication of strong support. I have seen nothing, even via his daughter, as to the strength of Dick Cheney's support for Harris. Where on the "holding his nose and voting for her" to "I wholeheartedly support her" spectrum is he? I suggest waiting until further information is available, at least 24 hours, before considering adding him to the list.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Dick confirmed his endorsement. This clearly fits WP:ENDORSE so let's add it. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 22:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed both the article to which you linked, and the WP:ENDORSE criteria, and it's not clear to me that it fits. The language I find relevant is at the top of this Talk page; as I have already excerpted it above, I hesitate to put a third copy here. But it seems to me that this is one of the case-by-case bases to which WP:ENDORSE refers. I think it's reasonable to discuss whether or not his statement “I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris” constitutes an endorsement.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 23:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, it completely fits as an endorsement, specially after his full statement, I think there are a lot of people in this list who said much less specific things and were added. PoliticallyMotivated (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

If that (your latter statement) is the case, I have to wonder how rigorously we are adhering to our own guidelines.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 00:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Please see my topic ‘debatables’ Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

"In most cases, this would require use of the word "endorsement" by the person endorsing or by media coverage thereof".

This has been described as an "endorsement" by ABC News, Huffpost, CBS News, Time, Politico, The New Republic, Deseret, Newsweek, CNN, The Hill, and Fox News. This doesn't seem particularly controversial to me. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 20:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Photos

Can photos now be added just like the Trump endorsements? WikiFili1898 (talk) 01:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Please read former discussions on here. The general majority agree it is not wise and rather impractical to add photos. This probably will not change due to the scale of this page. So, the answer is probably no, unless someone wants to correct me below… Haroldwinstanley (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Please, no. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Category Seperation

So currently we have Religious Figures lumped in with Public Figures and Activists however they should be a separate category especially as this is consistent with Trump’s Endorsement page.

Also believe the Celebrities should be more spaced out as they are very clumped together, they probably should be moved onto their own page since there are likely too many too be in separate categories and it would make this page too long and messy. InternetEnigma (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, I don’t believe that the public figures/activists section is particularly long, but in the long-term it would make sense to separate religious figures.

However, the downside of pages for campaign endorsements of Hillary Clinton is that things become too separated with multiple pages, and you have to browse different ones to find a specific piece of information, so I oppose your second point. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I’m not particularly in favor of a separate page either but with the precedent set by the Clinton pages it seems the more moderate position on here, I think mainly Religious Figures & Sports Personalities should be Separated into their own categories for ease of use. InternetEnigma (talk) 00:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hard Agree, i mean Jesus H Christ, this page is a sorry state! Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Debatables

Ok, there is obviously dissent at the moment, over endorsements that apparently aren’t clear. Personally, I think it’s obvious that Dick Cheney has endorsed Harris, and Putin is mocking, but if we need a middl-ground, we could have a section ‘debatable’ to hold these.

I just want to make clear though that I do think we should keep Dick Cheney as a legitimate endorsement. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Support this makes sense to me.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose I don't see a reason to have such a section. An endorsement should just not be included if a consensus cannot be reached. Cheney came out openly and said he's voting for Harris, so that removes that (most opposition was just for waiting to hear from him directly). While we've had a discussion about Putin endorsing Trump and Biden this cycle, both of which was decided to have him not included.

Having a debatable section would just result in a bunch of fights for no good reason imo. Tipsyfishing (talk) 23:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose This just seems like a bad idea that will cause more infighting than solvable solutions. InternetEnigma (talk) 00:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose I think it has been widely reported Cheney was a legitimate endorsement and Putin was not. Instead of this section, we can always discuss in the talk page and wait for more reliable sources coming out

Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Should we split this?

While I'm personally fine with all information on one page, we are at over 1100 citations, so I want to start the conversation. We can refer to how Biden's 2020 campaign endorsements were split.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_congressional_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_state_and_territorial_legislative_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_municipal_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_celebrity_endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements_from_organizations Cahlin29 (talk) 05:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

We have discussed this in ‘category separation’ above. Multiple of us believe it makes things too confusing, and elongates the process of just trying to find one name. Happy to wait for general consensus though. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

That's fair, we'll see what happens if more editors want to do a split. Cahlin29 (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Merkley

Why is the link after Merkley not working? I tested it and it should redirect to the right page Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Resolved Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 11:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Manchin

There’s a lot of edit warring, can you we please come to consensus on adding Manchin? Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I am really confused. If I search up ‘manchin endorses Harris’ nothing worthy comes up, but people have somehow found all these sources… I think no though Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

We have a valid source for Manchin. He should be included. Tipsyfishing (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

What is it? That way he can be added permanently without removal? Turry8769 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, he can, since his statement meets the criteria to be considered an endorsement. 67.184.44.198 (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you. He should be included. I understand that there are some sources that state he isn't supporting her but this one backs everything up. 50.170.74.122 (talk) 18:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

If you’re talking about the one from 15th September, it was invalidated on the 24th.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/24/politics/joe-manchin-not-endorse-harris-filibuster/index.html

because of the filibuster disagreement, he said he would not be endorsing her. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 18:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I genuinely think he should be on the included and involved on the list too. There are at least 3 sources that say he has announced support for Kamala Harris & Tim Walz and I saw Tom Suozzi post his announcement on Instagram a while ago and it had Joe Manchin's Senate logo on the post as well. We should have a consensus to add Manchin and leave him on the endorsement list permanently. Turry8769 (talk) 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

It is stated clearly as an endorsement per WP:ENDORSE. 67.184.44.198 (talk) 02:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

This source should clear things up, states that he has not endorsed a candidate yet but signals he may in the future Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Authors

Should authors be in the ‘directors, producers, writers’ block? Or should they have their own… Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Stephen A. Smith

Stephen A. Smith is listed under the athletes section. While Smith did play college basketball, he's much more well known as a sports television personality (and he does not exclusively talk about basketball). I think we should move him to the television personalities section, but willing to hear other arguments. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

"Stephen Anthony Smith (born October 14, 1967) is an American sports television personality, sports radio host, and sports journalist." I would say that he is more known as a television personality. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree that television personalities is the best section. His college basketball career was not distinguished because he was forced to retire due to a severe knee injury, but he has built a successful sports writing and TV career. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Mariska Hargitay

Actress Mariska Hargitay endorsed her 3 days ago on Instagram Sdchicken9 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

While Instagram is not a reliable source, I found a reliable source reporting on it to add. In the future, please provide a reliable source for the best chance of an edit to be published. Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Reminder: we have guidelines for inclusion in these articles

WP:ENDORSERFC, with the following requirements:

1. The endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one
2. This endorsement must be covered by reliable and independent sources
3. Coverage of the endorsement needs to use the word endorse, or other closely related synonym.

— Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Formatting

Not sure exactly what I did but I can’t seem to get back the rest of the list after municipal officials Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

i think i fixed it, there was a missing {{div col end}} in § City councillors and municipal legislators SheepTester (talk) 03:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I completely missed that! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Putin supports her

Should be added. 62.226.94.113 (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

There is already a section for this discussion, I would recommend joining there Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Teamsters

Should we add the state/region name next to the joint council/local number? Would just make it easier to read and understand without needing to go to the sources. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 07:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed Tipsyfishing (talk) 13:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Inadequately referenced endorsements

Lima Bean Farmer, I think WP:ENDORSE is pretty clear. It says endorsements should not be sourced solely to a Tweet or Instagram post by the endorser, endorsee, or an affiliated individual or organization. The endorsements I removed were certainly in this category, and should be remove. -- mikeblas (talk) 01:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

There's also the matter of the follow-on endorsements. Lady Gaga liking Taylor Swift's post (which doesn't explicitly say "endorse") is not an endorsement my Lady Gaga. There's a lot of consensus behind WP:ENDORSE, and this article should be held to the standards it has made. -- mikeblas (talk) 01:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Please reread WP:ENDORSE, this is the wording only for individuals, not organizations. Organizations can be self published. The individuals from the social media posts were removed. Additionally, you can find under individuals Other language which can be understood as unequivocal endorsement can be discussed on a case-by-case basis (for example, "I am campaigning for Candidate X" or "I am backing Candidate X". In general, shows of support for candidates, especially in the presidential election, qualify, although you would have to go on a case by case basis if you want to challenge any specific sourced addition. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

For the organizations, we have endorsements should only include endorsements which are specifically articulated as "endorsements". and that is missing from many of the endorsements that you reverted. Can you explain why you reverted their removal? -- mikeblas (talk) 14:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? I can share with you quotes from the references of the orgs you deleted and got reverted, and you can let me know which ones you are challenging

Community Change Action: "We enthusiastically endorse Kamala Harris for President…"

Asian Pacific American Labor Alliance: "We are proud to announce that APALA (Asian Pacific American Labor Alliance) AFL-CIO has endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president of the United States."

IBT Local 630: "Teamsters Local 630 Executive Board proudly endorses the Harris/Walz Presidential ticket…"

Stage Directors and Choreographers Society: "Today SDC endorses Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, Governor Tim Walz"

Kazoo (magazine): "Let us be the 1st kids' magazine to endorse

@VP Kamala Harris for President." Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Chappell Roan

Her endorsement is pretty inadequately sourced especially since she came out just a few days ago saying she wouldn't endorse Kamala even if she was voting for her. In fact quite a few of the "endorsements" from public figures are based on poorly sourced articles. RooinMahmood07 (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed her. The guidelines already discourage including vague endorsements, Chappell said she was explicitly not endorsing Harris–just voting for her. PassedDown (talk | contribs) 22:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Web Comics

Both Randall Munroe and Nathan W. Pyle have endorsed Harris. They don’t really fit any category in this article. 2604:3D08:7A7E:F400:3CD5:3FBE:7281:A304 (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Munroe's xkcd is listed under Newspapers and other publications. For Pyle, Activists and public figures might be the appropriate section based on related article with the title of cartoonist. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Local Democratic parties

Any consensus on if the ones without articles are considered notable for this page? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Relevance

This is not an encyclopedia-worthy article. It is now the second largest Wikipedia article in history, with over 850,000 bytes, and the same applies to the ‎List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign endorsements ‎with over 750,000 bytes.

Regardless of where you stand politically, you must admit these pages themselves serve as endorsements of the two political campaigns, thus they are NOT non-biased encyclopedic articles. It is time for Wikipedia to limit or delete all such articles. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Try your luck at WP:AFD, then. The talk page is not for general whinges like this. Zaathras (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Who is whinging? Wikipedia constantly reminds users that pages should be kept within certain limits, but then does nothing about useless pages like this one that take a lot of space and offer little encyclopedic value. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

You. And again, WP:AFD. An article will never be deleted via a talk page discussion. Zaathras (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

How has it got little encyclopaedic (that’s how its spelt mate) value? It’s interesting to compare endorsements from different years, and students can literally use this information to find sources for papers. My friend literally wrote a paper on the effect of celebrity endorsements on presidential campaigns! Haroldwinstanley (talk) 06:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

You talk about irrelevance of political standing, yet you haven’t posted this on the Donald Trump page?

Lol. Had you bothered to check you would have seen that I posted a similar message there literally a minute later. SMH. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

What’s on your agenda Brenda? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

How about splitting the articles then Braganza (talk) 11:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I think splitting the article into categories and having this article be a list of lists would be the best, as that way, this article isn't almost a megabyte long and someone would still be able to check all the people that endorsed Kamala THTB lol'nt (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Split

Current proposal

List of XY 2024 presidential campaign political endorsements List of XY 2024 presidential campaign federal executive officials endorsements List of XY 2024 presidential campaign congressional legislators endorsements List of XY 2024 presidential campaign sub-national officials endorsements List of XY 2024 presidential campaign international endorsements	List of XY 2024 presidential campaign non-political endorsements List of XY 2024 presidential campaign actors and actresses endorsements
Braganza (talk) 20:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

It has become too laggy to edit and the server keeps crashing. Please split. D4R1U5 (talk) 14:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Braganza! Looks like you executed this split, but now the articles have dozens of undefined reference errors. Do you have a plan to fix up these problems? -- mikeblas (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

[3] someone could look where each reference was defined in the old version Braganza (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Are you not willing to clean up the errors yourself? They're due to your edits, and they're quite extensive. -- mikeblas (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

when i have time Braganza (talk) 06:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I have taken care of the remaining errors for you. Some other users have done the majority of the work -- I hope you'll take the time to thank them for cleaning up. -- mikeblas (talk) 23:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I propose to split this article and the Trump article into a political and non-political list similar to List of Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign endorsements Braganza (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes this could work, I forward this motion in support.

btw is your name Tom? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

No Braganza (talk) 07:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

What is your reasoning? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

The article is getting very long Braganza (talk) 07:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I do believe that a split is needed, but I think it might need to be divided up further than that as even if it could be evenly split, both would be 472k bytes. Still, I do support some form of splitting. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@Super Goku V how would you split it Braganza (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, that is a tough question. I guess if I had to split it, I would go based off of the largest chunks as mentioned in the section size template:

• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign political endorsements

• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign federal executive officials endorsements
• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign congressional legislators endorsements
• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state legislators endorsements
• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign municipal, sub-state, and local officials endorsements

• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign non-political endorsements

• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign actors and actresses endorsements

That would make it so that no sub-article is over half the current size, if my counts are accurate. Granted, I am unsure of what the goal is for the lists. Is under 250k the goal? 200k or even 100k? --Super Goku V (talk) 08:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Super Goku V i would add "List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign international endorsements" Braganza (talk) 09:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you think it is an improvement, then sure. I just am a bit unsure of how far we should go. --Super Goku V (talk) 09:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

i'd say:

• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign political endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign federal executive officials endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign congressional legislators endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state, municipal, sub-state, and local officials endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign international endorsements
• List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign non-political endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign actors and actresses endorsements

Braganza (talk) 10:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Yilku1, HarukaAmaranth, and Super Goku V: Braganza (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Sure, still fine with it. At the worst, the largest should be still under 300k, if my quick math from earlier is still correct. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I would say to combine the congressional legislature and state level officials into one page. No reason to have them separate like that honestly. Tipsyfishing (talk) 03:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Braganza Honestly, while my preference would be to just do List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state and territorial political endorsements and dump everything below the state level, if there's not consensus for that then List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state and local political endorsements is a more WP:CONCISE title since local includes municipal and sub-state. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ahecht how about simply "Sub-national political endorsements" Braganza (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Braganza Even better! --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Can we split it in almost the same way as Joe Bidens endorsements? WikiFili1898 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the size of this article is absurd. Yilku1 (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Second to that. A normal article doesn't need to be this long - 850k bytes is absurd. HarukaAmaranth 13:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@NoWikiNoLife, Zaathras, and THTB lol'nt: Braganza (talk) 07:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree this article is getting too long and we need 2 separate pieces, Political & Non-Political endorsements for Harris, similar to Biden in 2020 & Clinton in 2016 and the same goes for the Trump endorsements article too. 50.170.74.122 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree. These two pages are absurdly long, and dividing them into political and non-political pages seems wise. I would support the many-way split most recently proposed by Braganza; pages of this size are gargantuan to navigate by table of contents so it help to have coarser navigation on the disambiguation page. Mia ^{a data witch!  talk · contribs} 20:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree, it has become too long for easy reading. If necessary we can make a template (or similar) to more easily navigate between the subpages. I think the current proposal for split pages is very good, and support it. Alexander Bonaparte Caesar (talk) 00:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Last call i think we should split it in 24 hours Braganza (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree, we should need to split it into Political & Non-Political endorsements for Harri. 2601:188:C980:37D0:1FD:4414:DF24:9BA2 (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Harris

2601:188:C980:37D0:1FD:4414:DF24:9BA2 (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

i am now starting to split it Braganza (talk) 13:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

so i split Trump, someone should do Harris now Braganza (talk) 14:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree. The page now exceeds the post-expand include size unstrip size limit. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

No… only 11 days til election day, leave it as one page. 2601:546:200:79E0:F984:92EC:CBAB:D65C (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Why would the election make it so that we would need to wait in order to split? --Super Goku V (talk) 05:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Support since the Donald Trump endorsement pages are also split, so should Kamala Harris's. Unnamed anon (talk) 21:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign state, municipal, sub-state, and local officials endorsements what do we do now Braganza (talk) 21:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that this split is immediately impacted. The argument there is about the importance of local official endorsements. If it closes as delete then we'd just remove the sub-state endorsements and make the equivalent of List of Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign state and territorial political endorsements instead. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

i wont split actors yet since the article would be just a name list Braganza (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

voice Actors For Harris

you forgot The voice Artists 2601:40C:4300:3870:8589:1B7F:CD97:E82D (talk) 02:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you please be more specific to what you’re referring to? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 02:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Lima Bean Farmer all the voice actors who endorsed Harris should be added 2601:40C:4300:3870:8589:1B7F:CD97:E82D (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Your statements are vague. Can you please provide a link to what you’re referring to? Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 23:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Manchin supports her

Should be added. Turry8769 (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

? "Manchin won’t endorse Harris over vow to gut filibuster to codify abortion rights: ‘Shame on her’" --Super Goku V (talk) 10:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Why are most academics that support Harris on this page economists?

Where are all the mathematicians and Nobel Prize in Physics winners, for instance? 2620:8D:8000:E017:294:CC0C:D7A7:B03 (talk) 14:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you share the source you’re referring to? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

For anyone else who wants an answer, it's because there just happens to be a source listing over 400 economists endorsing Kamala Harris, and that section overwhelmingly uses that same source. There just happens to be an article listing a long list of economists supporting Harris and not one for other types of academics like for one of your examples, physicists. Economists know a lot about the economy so that also gives them a higher profile for endorsements than other academics, that probably why there is a CNN article focusing on economists. You are not likely to show up again since you are an IP but if you do somehow show up again, I hope this surprises you and welcome back! 71.28.113.196 (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Lev Parnas

Parnas tweeted an endorsement [4]. I couldn't find any other sources. TJMSmith (talk) 16:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

mean Joe Green and Franco Harris

when Trump Arrived To The Steelers Jets Game Mean Joe Green and the family of Franco Harris Endorsed Kamala Harris 2601:40C:4300:3870:8589:1B7F:CD97:E82D (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Michael Bloomberg

Bloomberg has been reported as a supporter here [5], but I haven't found any corroborating articles, which might have been expected since he was very vocal in not endorsing Harris in July. So I'm a bit uncertain if he should be added, what do you think? Alexander Bonaparte Caesar (talk) 00:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Probably not, since that Forbes article does not have any sources to back up it's claim that Bloomburg is one of the billionaires supporting Harris CGP05 (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

The citations have disappeared.

They were there earlier today. 50.117.195.82 (talk) 05:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

... *Sigh* So they have...

What has happened is that Wikipedia has limits on how large articles can get. Additionally, this article has a large number of templates. That resulted in the sources section breaking.

I have attempted band-aid solution on the article, which has restored the citations for now. If you would like the technical details, please see PEIS and CHOKING --Super Goku V (talk) 06:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

We need to sort this.

The Donald Trump page of endorsements is clean, categorised snd easy to navigate. This page is an absolute minefield, we need to split and categorise. Anyone else have any thoughts. Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

See the above discussion called #Split. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)