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President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin of the Russian Federation

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Seems like there is some back and forth on the page about adding Vladimir Putin. Seems like NBC,[1] Bloomberg,[2] Washington Post,[3] and Politico[4] support it. It seems i24 news[5] is against it. Would like to see others’ thoughts Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC) Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 13:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even in the accounts of NBC ("a teasing claim of support for Vice President Kamala Harris" and "The comments, dripping with sarcasm, will likely be dismissed by the White House and the Harris campaign.") and The Washington Post ("President Vladimir Putin claimed to be supporting Vice President Kamala Harris"), Putin's purported support for Harris seems to be less than entirely clear. It could have been tongue-in-cheek, if not outright disingenuous.
I would be disinclined to add him to the article. But if he were to be added, I would add a note (perhaps "unclear") and reference the i24 news article.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the initial addition, and have just removed another. I think the language used surrounding the ‘endorsement’ is dubious, and we should hold fire until either an official statement from Russia is made (doubtful), or a more high-profile outlet publishes it as true. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 17:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The closest I have seen to an official statement from Russia is this report from Reuters: The Kremlin reacts cautiously to Kamala Harris candidacy.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 21:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We did not include Putin when he made similar statements about Biden. So I would suggest we follow that established precedent. Especially considering the DOJ statements that were released less then 24 hours ago. Tipsyfishing (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My personal view is that it should be added. There are now a lot more sources reporting it is an endorsement. Regardless of how he said it, it is not up to us to determine if he was being serious or not. With that being said, I deleted again for now and added a notice in order to stop edit warring. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 18:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Putin endorsed Harris, we must acknowledge this in the article. We are not to editorialize his statements as we cannot see inside his or anyone else's minds. We must return Putin to the list immediately or risk being a partisan site. 2601:246:5601:EA80:34CD:719A:CFA9:A89 (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putin endorsed Harris no matter the way you try to sugar coat it even if he thinks it will help trump. Harry sisson (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am okay with adding his name to the list, but I still feel there should be some sort of asterisk next to, or explanatory text as part of, the entry. A number of news outlets seem to be qualifying his ‘endorsement’, at least one putting in quotes.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 19:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that we had a similar discussion in the Biden page, and the Trump page and declined to add Putin in either. I see no reason to include him now. Tipsyfishing (talk) 19:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where are those discussions? The closest I found was this which seems to indicate that an entry for him would not be included on the page, yet I see an entry which includes his name.
Trackerwannabe (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will try and find the Trump one. But [1] was the Biden one. Have to link it this way as the discussion is no longer present on the Biden endorsement page. Tipsyfishing (talk) 21:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. There were some interesting suggested entries in the discussion, with the entry struck out.
I wonder if whether it might make sense to start a section something like Disputed endorsements. There certainly seems to be anything but unanimity, in the press, as to whether Putin's comments constitute an endorsement or something else. See, for example,
I'm not even sure Trump knows what to make of it:
Trackerwannabe (talk) 23:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Hopefully this is the last time this is discussed. Kremlin has said it was not completely truthful…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-joking-election-support-harris-zelenskyy-trump-meet-rcna172089 Haroldwinstanley (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putin supporting harris? Surely not Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Category Seperation

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So currently we have Religious Figures lumped in with Public Figures and Activists however they should be a separate category especially as this is consistent with Trump’s Endorsement page.

Also believe the Celebrities should be more spaced out as they are very clumped together, they probably should be moved onto their own page since there are likely too many too be in separate categories and it would make this page too long and messy. InternetEnigma (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I don’t believe that the public figures/activists section is particularly long, but in the long-term it would make sense to separate religious figures.
However, the downside of pages for campaign endorsements of Hillary Clinton is that things become too separated with multiple pages, and you have to browse different ones to find a specific piece of information, so I oppose your second point. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 19:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not particularly in favor of a separate page either but with the precedent set by the Clinton pages it seems the more moderate position on here, I think mainly Religious Figures & Sports Personalities should be Separated into their own categories for ease of use. InternetEnigma (talk) 00:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hard Agree, i mean Jesus H Christ, this page is a sorry state! Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manchin

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There’s a lot of edit warring, can you we please come to consensus on adding Manchin? Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am really confused. If I search up ‘manchin endorses Harris’ nothing worthy comes up, but people have somehow found all these sources… I think no though Haroldwinstanley (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have a valid source for Manchin. He should be included. Tipsyfishing (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is it? That way he can be added permanently without removal? Turry8769 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he can, since his statement meets the criteria to be considered an endorsement. 67.184.44.198 (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree with you. He should be included. I understand that there are some sources that state he isn't supporting her but this one backs everything up. 50.170.74.122 (talk) 18:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you’re talking about the one from 15th September, it was invalidated on the 24th.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/24/politics/joe-manchin-not-endorse-harris-filibuster/index.html
because of the filibuster disagreement, he said he would not be endorsing her. Haroldwinstanley (talk) 18:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I genuinely think he should be on the included and involved on the list too. There are at least 3 sources that say he has announced support for Kamala Harris & Tim Walz and I saw Tom Suozzi post his announcement on Instagram a while ago and it had Joe Manchin's Senate logo on the post as well. We should have a consensus to add Manchin and leave him on the endorsement list permanently. Turry8769 (talk) 01:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is stated clearly as an endorsement per WP:ENDORSE. 67.184.44.198 (talk) 02:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This source should clear things up, states that he has not endorsed a candidate yet but signals he may in the future[1] Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chappell Roan

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Her endorsement is pretty inadequately sourced especially since she came out just a few days ago saying she wouldn't endorse Kamala even if she was voting for her. In fact quite a few of the "endorsements" from public figures are based on poorly sourced articles. RooinMahmood07 (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed her. The guidelines already discourage including vague endorsements, Chappell said she was explicitly not endorsing Harris–just voting for her. PassedDown (talk | contribs) 22:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Web Comics

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Both Randall Munroe and Nathan W. Pyle have endorsed Harris. They don’t really fit any category in this article. 2604:3D08:7A7E:F400:3CD5:3FBE:7281:A304 (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Munroe's xkcd is listed under Newspapers and other publications. For Pyle, Activists and public figures might be the appropriate section based on related article with the title of cartoonist. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Local Democratic parties

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Any consensus on if the ones without articles are considered notable for this page? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance

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This is not an encyclopedia-worthy article. It is now the second largest Wikipedia article in history, with over 850,000 bytes, and the same applies to the ‎List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign endorsements ‎with over 750,000 bytes.

Regardless of where you stand politically, you must admit these pages themselves serve as endorsements of the two political campaigns, thus they are NOT non-biased encyclopedic articles. It is time for Wikipedia to limit or delete all such articles. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try your luck at WP:AFD, then. The talk page is not for general whinges like this. Zaathras (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who is whinging? Wikipedia constantly reminds users that pages should be kept within certain limits, but then does nothing about useless pages like this one that take a lot of space and offer little encyclopedic value. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You. And again, WP:AFD. An article will never be deleted via a talk page discussion. Zaathras (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How has it got little encyclopaedic (that’s how its spelt mate) value? It’s interesting to compare endorsements from different years, and students can literally use this information to find sources for papers. My friend literally wrote a paper on the effect of celebrity endorsements on presidential campaigns! Haroldwinstanley (talk) 06:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You talk about irrelevance of political standing, yet you haven’t posted this on the Donald Trump page?
Lol. Had you bothered to check you would have seen that I posted a similar message there literally a minute later. SMH. NoWikiNoLife (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What’s on your agenda Brenda? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about splitting the articles then Braganza (talk) 11:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think splitting the article into categories and having this article be a list of lists would be the best, as that way, this article isn't almost a megabyte long and someone would still be able to check all the people that endorsed Kamala THTB lol'nt (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split

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Current proposal
List of XY 2024 presidential campaign political endorsements
  • List of XY 2024 presidential campaign federal executive officials endorsements
  • List of XY 2024 presidential campaign congressional legislators endorsements
  • List of XY 2024 presidential campaign sub-national officials endorsements
  • List of XY 2024 presidential campaign international endorsements
List of XY 2024 presidential campaign non-political endorsements
  • List of XY 2024 presidential campaign actors and actresses endorsements
Braganza (talk) 20:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has become too laggy to edit and the server keeps crashing. Please split. D4R1U5 (talk) 14:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Braganza! Looks like you executed this split, but now the articles have dozens of undefined reference errors. Do you have a plan to fix up these problems? -- mikeblas (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[2] someone could look where each reference was defined in the old version Braganza (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you not willing to clean up the errors yourself? They're due to your edits, and they're quite extensive. -- mikeblas (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
when i have time Braganza (talk) 06:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken care of the remaining errors for you. Some other users have done the majority of the work -- I hope you'll take the time to thank them for cleaning up. -- mikeblas (talk) 23:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to split this article and the Trump article into a political and non-political list similar to List of Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign endorsements Braganza (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes this could work, I forward this motion in support.
btw is your name Tom? Haroldwinstanley (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No Braganza (talk) 07:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is your reasoning? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is getting very long Braganza (talk) 07:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do believe that a split is needed, but I think it might need to be divided up further than that as even if it could be evenly split, both would be 472k bytes. Still, I do support some form of splitting. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Super Goku V how would you split it Braganza (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, that is a tough question. I guess if I had to split it, I would go based off of the largest chunks as mentioned in the section size template:
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign political endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign federal executive officials endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign congressional legislators endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state legislators endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign municipal, sub-state, and local officials endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign non-political endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign actors and actresses endorsements
That would make it so that no sub-article is over half the current size, if my counts are accurate. Granted, I am unsure of what the goal is for the lists. Is under 250k the goal? 200k or even 100k? --Super Goku V (talk) 08:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Super Goku V i would add "List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign international endorsements" Braganza (talk) 09:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you think it is an improvement, then sure. I just am a bit unsure of how far we should go. --Super Goku V (talk) 09:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i'd say:
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign political endorsements
    • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign federal executive officials endorsements
    • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign congressional legislators endorsements
    • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state, municipal, sub-state, and local officials endorsements
    • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign international endorsements
  • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign non-political endorsements
    • List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign actors and actresses endorsements
Braganza (talk) 10:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yilku1, HarukaAmaranth, and Super Goku V: Braganza (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, still fine with it. At the worst, the largest should be still under 300k, if my quick math from earlier is still correct. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say to combine the congressional legislature and state level officials into one page. No reason to have them separate like that honestly. Tipsyfishing (talk) 03:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Braganza Honestly, while my preference would be to just do List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state and territorial political endorsements and dump everything below the state level, if there's not consensus for that then List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign state and local political endorsements is a more WP:CONCISE title since local includes municipal and sub-state. --Ahecht (TALK
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15:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ahecht how about simply "Sub-national political endorsements" Braganza (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Braganza Even better! --Ahecht (TALK
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15:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can we split it in almost the same way as Joe Bidens endorsements? WikiFili1898 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the size of this article is absurd. Yilku1 (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second to that. A normal article doesn't need to be this long - 850k bytes is absurd. HarukaAmaranth 13:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@NoWikiNoLife, Zaathras, and THTB lol'nt: Braganza (talk) 07:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree this article is getting too long and we need 2 separate pieces, Political & Non-Political endorsements for Harris, similar to Biden in 2020 & Clinton in 2016 and the same goes for the Trump endorsements article too. 50.170.74.122 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. These two pages are absurdly long, and dividing them into political and non-political pages seems wise. I would support the many-way split most recently proposed by Braganza; pages of this size are gargantuan to navigate by table of contents so it help to have coarser navigation on the disambiguation page. Mia a data witch!  talk · contribs 20:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, it has become too long for easy reading. If necessary we can make a template (or similar) to more easily navigate between the subpages. I think the current proposal for split pages is very good, and support it. Alexander Bonaparte Caesar (talk) 00:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Last call i think we should split it in 24 hours Braganza (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, we should need to split it into Political & Non-Political endorsements for Harri. 2601:188:C980:37D0:1FD:4414:DF24:9BA2 (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Harris
2601:188:C980:37D0:1FD:4414:DF24:9BA2 (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i am now starting to split it Braganza (talk) 13:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so i split Trump, someone should do Harris now Braganza (talk) 14:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. The page now exceeds the post-expand include size unstrip size limit. --Ahecht (TALK
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17:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No… only 11 days til election day, leave it as one page. 2601:546:200:79E0:F984:92EC:CBAB:D65C (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would the election make it so that we would need to wait in order to split? --Super Goku V (talk) 05:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support since the Donald Trump endorsement pages are also split, so should Kamala Harris's. Unnamed anon (talk) 21:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign state, municipal, sub-state, and local officials endorsements what do we do now Braganza (talk) 21:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that this split is immediately impacted. The argument there is about the importance of local official endorsements. If it closes as delete then we'd just remove the sub-state endorsements and make the equivalent of List of Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign state and territorial political endorsements instead. --Ahecht (TALK
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15:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i wont split actors yet since the article would be just a name list Braganza (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

voice Actors For Harris

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you forgot The voice Artists 2601:40C:4300:3870:8589:1B7F:CD97:E82D (talk) 02:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please be more specific to what you’re referring to? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 02:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lima Bean Farmer all the voice actors who endorsed Harris should be added 2601:40C:4300:3870:8589:1B7F:CD97:E82D (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your statements are vague. Can you please provide a link to what you’re referring to? Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 23:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manchin supports her

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Should be added. Turry8769 (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

? "Manchin won’t endorse Harris over vow to gut filibuster to codify abortion rights: ‘Shame on her’" --Super Goku V (talk) 10:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are most academics that support Harris on this page economists?

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Where are all the mathematicians and Nobel Prize in Physics winners, for instance? 2620:8D:8000:E017:294:CC0C:D7A7:B03 (talk) 14:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you share the source you’re referring to? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone else who wants an answer, it's because there just happens to be a source listing over 400 economists endorsing Kamala Harris, and that section overwhelmingly uses that same source. There just happens to be an article listing a long list of economists supporting Harris and not one for other types of academics like for one of your examples, physicists. Economists know a lot about the economy so that also gives them a higher profile for endorsements than other academics, that probably why there is a CNN article focusing on economists. You are not likely to show up again since you are an IP but if you do somehow show up again, I hope this surprises you and welcome back! 71.28.113.196 (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lev Parnas

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Parnas tweeted an endorsement [3]. I couldn't find any other sources. TJMSmith (talk) 16:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

mean Joe Green and Franco Harris

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when Trump Arrived To The Steelers Jets Game Mean Joe Green and the family of Franco Harris Endorsed Kamala Harris 2601:40C:4300:3870:8589:1B7F:CD97:E82D (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Bloomberg

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Bloomberg has been reported as a supporter here [4], but I haven't found any corroborating articles, which might have been expected since he was very vocal in not endorsing Harris in July. So I'm a bit uncertain if he should be added, what do you think? Alexander Bonaparte Caesar (talk) 00:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not, since that Forbes article does not have any sources to back up it's claim that Bloomburg is one of the billionaires supporting Harris CGP05 (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The citations have disappeared.

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They were there earlier today. 50.117.195.82 (talk) 05:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... *Sigh* So they have...
What has happened is that Wikipedia has limits on how large articles can get. Additionally, this article has a large number of templates. That resulted in the sources section breaking.
I have attempted band-aid solution on the article, which has restored the citations for now. If you would like the technical details, please see PEIS and CHOKING --Super Goku V (talk) 06:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to sort this.

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The Donald Trump page of endorsements is clean, categorised snd easy to navigate. This page is an absolute minefield, we need to split and categorise. Anyone else have any thoughts. Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the above discussion called #Split. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]