Talk:Love of Siam

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Did you know... that The Love of Siam director Chukiat Sakweerakul (pictured) intentionally sought to downplay the 2007 Thai film's gay love story in marketing materials, in hopes of the film reaching a broader audience?

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Grandmother

Was Mew's grandmother his maternal or paternal grandmother? How was he allowed to live alone after her death when he was only in 8th grade? DHN (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the love of siam will have part 2

it is seen on Thailand cinemas on November or December in 2009 In addition the love of siam cast are planning to go to china, japan, korea, philippines and taiwan to promote the movie this year.

i hope there will be part 2 of love of siamyou sure about that

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I was very disappointed when I first read this entry. I think it is an excellent movie and intend to do what I can, with help of others, to get this up to Class A, at least better than a C in everything. The first item of business is that everywhere I look at "Official Information" the movie is Love of Siam not The Love of Siam except on some posters released in Taiwan. I will attempt to correct this where it is incorrect. Quotations of others I can not do anything about, except to verify. The plot definitely needs to be trimmed. I tell people to watch the movie. They come back and say, "They don't have to watch the movie, the whole thing is in the Wiki." Bad, bad, bad. Suggestions? Comment? Help? I will need help trimming the plot. I am not a good story teller, but I am very attentive to details. Thanks.
I. B. D. Shank 21:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
My post was signed Mr. SineBot. I deleted your comments. :-p I. B. D. Shank 21:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

The title is clearly given as The Love of Siam in the Thai DVD version of the film; that should be the standard reference, I think. The film's official website was also at www.theloveofsiam.com (Wayback link). Please also see WP:SIGLINK; your signature must link to your user page. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Paul, I think I have the signature thingie figured out. C++ is easier. :-p I. B. D. Shank (talk) 20:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, there should be a mention that the title of the Strand Releasing (English) release is Love of Siam (sans “The”) to allay confusion. The Love of Siam title appears in all of the DVD artwork and text including the disc title, packaging, menus, and subtitles. The only indications that the correct title is The Love of Siam are integrated within the movie itself and very easy to miss. (The correct title appears once after the intro scenes and again at the beginning of the film credits.) —Patrick Garies 07:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

This all very confusing now. I don't speak or read Thai unfortunately, and have been waiting to ask on of my Thai friends. But, linguistics is one of my hobbies, and I do not believe that the Thai language has definite or indefinite articles, which would mean that in Thai "The" does not exist. And as mentioned many places if this was a Thai language review the rules would be different. Need to think on this. :-) => I. B. D. Shank (talk) 20:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Paul is right (as always, I have a feeling :-) I checked my directors cut, and in B&W, "The Love of Siam". Issued solved to my satisfaction. My only main issue now is the plot summary. Guidelines say generally 400-700 words. Word Perfect says the count is 1061. I will start working on condensing, unless someone has objections. I will let release details, dates, etc. if any need fixed, to someone more qualified, unless I can be pointed the right direction for resources. Cheers I. B. D. Shank (talk) 03:09, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved pending G6 delete. This was moved considering this is no longer opposed and most cited references in the article also omit the article 'The'. There appears to be no strong support for COMMONNAME or OFFICALNAME including The. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 22:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Love of Siam → Love of Siam – per WP:NCF the title most commonly used in the English-speaking world should be used. Though originally screened at a couple of film festivals as The Love of Siam, the film has since been released in the English-speaking world, only as Love of Siam. Film Fan 15:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ (for now). I think the spirit of WP:NCF is more about preferring (The) Love of Siam over Rak Haeng Siam than whether or not to include the The article, since the rest of the English title is identical everywhere in the world. Why should original and festival screenings count less than the DVD, since they probably contribute more to usage by third-parties (e.g. critics and reviewers)? Note that the core naming conventions actually call for following the usage found in "English language reliable sources", not just those in English-speaking countries. I'd also like to see better evidence than just the DVD cover, given that it actually misspells the directors name. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Festival screening titles count less than the titles used by distributors because the distributors' title is the one provided to the general public, which is where WP:COMMONNAME comes into play. You look to festival titles if there are no distributors in the English-speaking world, but film festivals are incredibly niche. You are right in stating that reliable sources are important, but reviews from festivals are effectively using working titles. There are countless examples of films that were given new names by distributors after festival screenings, and Wikipedia always uses the new name because it's always the most-used. By the way, where is the misspelling? Film Fan 20:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point about festival screening titles, but still, The Love of Siam is also the English title used for its release in Thailand and several other regions. Since the audience of the American DVD release is quite limited, I'm still not quite convinced that it should carry more weight. (As I noted above, in contrast to WP:NCF, WP:COMMONNAME refers to English-language sources without consideration of country.) Regarding the misspelling, I was looking at this Amazon entry. I think the inconsistency adds doubts to the reliability of the cover; is that how the title actually appears in the film's opening sequence? And if it's different, which do we follow? --Paul_012 (talk) 05:08, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear to me that the distributor made the error on first press and then made the correction, since the one I linked to is the distributor's website and most websites use that image. And though I hear you about the more basic guidelines, that's the very reason the more specific ones exist. Section 2 of WP:NCF is about the very issue we're discussing here. Asian English titles are often slightly different from the ones used in the English-speaking world, and they can certainly be mentioned in the article, but I see no reason why this particular title should be an exception to the rule. By the way, I can't find any evidence that the Thai English title is used anywhere but Thailand. I see lots of countries using the US/international title.[1][2][3][4][5] Film Fan 12:07, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good points. I've struck my oppose; withholding support until it's confirmed that the title appears as such on-screen, though. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:46, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't currently have a copy unfortunately, but in the English-speaking world the on-screen credits are as suggested. Film Fan 16:13, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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