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Raghupathi Raghava Raja Ram

Hi everyone. I am too new to Wikipedia to make any suggestions or big edits. But while passing time and reading many talk pages of big articles, I have read the chats on this page. I just feel like telling this. As many of you may know, the first thing that comes to the mind of every Indian when he hears the name Gandhiji is "Raghupathi Raghava Raja Ram.. Ishwar Allah tero nam, sab ko sanmati de bhagavan". I am really not exaggerating. That is the most remembered message of Gandhiji in India. It was also one of the most favorite bhajans of Gandhiji. It used to be a part of his daily prayers.[1] It was sung by him and his followers during Salt March also.[2] On Gandhi Jayanthi it is the first thing that is played in all schools, colleges, offices, other public places etc in India. It is often played during national ceremonies also, as the symbol and salute for Gandhiji. (Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram at Beating Retreat on Rajpath) It has been always used as a reference to Gandhiji, also in so many Indian movies and dramas. But this page does not mention this song anywhere. It is also labelled as good article. Someone please mention this thing. I asked Tyler Durden to do this, but he said that he is not interested and asked me only to mention. He is always lazy for everything, but I cannot edit this big page because there is this page lock for new users like me. I still cannot do this nicely also. So somebody please mention this one thing for me when you are free. Thank you for your time. Signature: Marla Durden (talk) 11:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

HI Marla Durden and welcome to Wikipedia! I am not Indian and I don't really know much about Gandhi so I have no idea whether what you are saying is correct. But if you want to say that this song is very relevant to him, you will need to provide secondary sources that say that it is (as opposed to sources saying that it was one of his favourite songs, or that it was played during a national ceremony.) Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Absolutelypuremilkif you are interested to add it to the article, here are some secondary sources.

• Source 1

"Gandhiji will be remembered as great saint, social reformer, truthful and religious person. "Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram Patit Pavan sita Ram" will be in the core of heart of all Indians and other communities."

• Source 2

"And while contemporary Hindu militants may promote an exclusivist and chauvinistic image of Rama-rajya, still more familiar to most north Indians is the conception of Rama articulated in the familiar bhajan text:

Raghupati raghava raja Ram patita pabana Sitaram

Ishvar Allah tero nam, sab ko sammati de bhagwan.

(King Rama of the house of Raghu, savior of the fallen.

Whether your name is Ishvar Or Allah, let everyone give respect.)"

• Source 3

"Interviews conducted in Noakhali in April and November 2000 found residents retaining precise memories of Gandhi — his shaven head, pocket watch, vigorous walking, his drinking of goat's milk, and work as a doctor. Recollections always mentioned 'his granddaughters' as also his work for Hindu Muslim peace. The memory of him seemed to be fresh and near the top of people's minds, and many recalling him spontaneously recited or sang 'Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram ... Ishwar Allah Tere Naam'."

• Source 4

"The day (Gandhi Jayanthi) is marked by prayer and tributes to Mahatma Gandhi. An all-religion meeting is held at Rajghat, the samadhi of Gandhiji in New Delhi, which marks Gandhiji's respect for all the religions and communities. Verses and prayers are read out from the holy books of all the religions. Gandhiji's favourite song, Raghupati Raghava Rajaram is invariably sung at all the meetings associated with him. Gandhi Jayanti is observed in all government and non-government forums all over the country."

• Source 5

"Gandhi Jayanti is a national holiday in India to honor the life and work of Gandhi, celebrated on October 2, Gandhi's birthday. The term jayanti means "jubilee." Many commemorative ceremonies, festivities, and prayer services pay tribute to Gandhi and nonviolence. On this day, political leaders often visit Raj Ghat, Gandhi's memorial in New Delhi. One of Gandhi's favorite devotional songs, titled "Raghupati Raghav," is often heard."

• Source 6

"This tradition of devotion is carried on in modern times most obviously by figures like Ramakrishna Paramhansa and Gandhi.For instance, his famously favorite bhajan, "Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram," contains an evocation of the same principle, "isvara allah tere nam, sabko sanmati de bhagvan" — isvara and allah are your names grant everyone good intention/faith."

• Source 7

"It is now fashionable to do interfaith prayers. It was dangerous in '47. And this interfaith prayer of his (Gandhi): 'Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram, Patita Pavana Sita Ram.' These two verses are from Tulsidasji. Then the ashram community of Gandhi added two verses of an extraordinary kind: 'Ishvara Allah Tere Nam, Sabko Sanmati De Bhagvan.' Now, 'Raghupati Raghava' it means that the divine has form. Raghupati, he is from the dynasty of Raghu. And he is not only male, he is also a female. He is the divine with form and with attributes—'patita paavana', that's an attribute. So the whole notion of the divine with form and attributes, that is announced.

Ishvara, in the Hindu tradition, dissenting traditions and even mainstream traditions, is mostly used for the nirakara (formless) conception of the divine. In the Arya Samaj, you will find this. You will find it in other traditions also. I imagine in the Lingayat tradition also you will find Ishvara used more to denote the nirakara. And Allah, of course. So Ishvara Allah are also tere naam. Now I want to suggest the advaitin import of the 'tere' , your names. 'Tattvamasi, Shvetaketu.' He is saying to the self that Ishvara Allah are also your names. Each one of you. There have not been many prayer meetings like that in this world. Raghupati Raghava Raja Ram, Patita Pavana Sita Ram. Tulsidasji is right. Ishvara Allah Tere Nam. So,that is the divine, without form. But with attributes, the attribute of mercy, the attribute of compassion. This is Koran, this is the Bible, this is Sikhism, this is everything. It's also Arya Samaj, Brahmo Samaj. Just because something is more recent doesn't mean it is less important. Just because something is very old doesn't mean it's more important. It's the idea that's manifested. And he includes this, and then finally, Sabko Sanmati De Bhagvan. Now 'sanmati' in Hindi, in common usage, means goodwill. But it is sat plus mati, isn't it? 'Sat' is reality, not satya, which can be truth about reality. 'Satmati' is an orientation, is a reality orientation, that's self-realization also. 'Sanmati' is self-realization, it's Svaraj. Sabko Sanmati De Bhagvan. So, that's a composite prayer. So he doesn't give all this up."

• Source 8

Amitabh Bachchan, who plays a Gandhian in the film (Satyagraha (film)), says the director's vision makes him feel patriotic. "We have all lived with certain songs we will never forget. There are some songs that every nation has, which are like anthems for them. Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram is one such. All these songs are ingrained in us and every time we hear it, we get goosebumps," says Bachchan.

202.62.86.30 (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2017

Change in "Gandhi's death helped martial support for the new government", "martial" to "marshal". Pub guy nc (talk) 23:19, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Link to 20th Century Press Archives

Hi all, would you regard this link to a folder of clippings about Gandhi (from 1913 on) appropriate? Caroca2 (talk) 20:59, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

• Newspaper clippings about Mahatma Gandhi/Archive 14 in the 20th Century Press Archives of the ZBW

Here is India's national anthem just follow this link:

https://lh6.ggpht.com/XROWIn5j-_dg3d94AlrGjcosr03dKWS9VdNeQU18RRL-Lv1w3_M_hbTzjA_RQh7qeDH8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.128.142 (talk) 19:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit See Also

To make the page more relevant,add the name of Shrimad Rajchandra who was the spiritual guide to the Mahatma Dasalakshana (talk) 13:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Dasalakshana, there's already a subsection in the article about Shrimad Rajchandra... Link: Mahatma Gandhi#Shrimad Rajchandra. -- Begoon 06:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Name Neutrality - Mahatma or Mohandas?

I think this article should be titled "Mohandas Gandhi" and not "Mahatma Gandhi" as Mahatma is a title, with a meaning similar to "saint" or "the great". Does it not violate neutrality to call Gandhi as "Mahatma"? 70.27.155.72 (talk) 00:37, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

This question is often discussed. See Talk:Mahatma Gandhi/Archive 13#Mahatma? for a summary. There is some uncertainty whether 'Mahatma' should be counted as an honorific. For a related example, Vivekananda was moved back to Swami Vivekananda per [3] on the reasoning that 'Swami is not used as an honorific'. EdJohnston (talk) 00:55, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

More detail on assasination

There is more detail on the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi on the article on Nathuram Godse.

'Godse approached Gandhi on 30 January 1948 during the evening prayer at 17:17. When Godse bowed, one of the girls flanking and supporting Gandhi, said to Godse, "Brother, Bapu is already late" and tried to put him off, but he pushed her aside and shot Gandhi in the chest three times at point-blank range with a Beretta M 1934 semi-automatic pistol. Herbert Reiner Jr., a young vice-consul at the new American embassy in Delhi, was the first to rush forward and grasp Godse by the shoulders, spinning him into the arms of some military personnel, who disarmed him.[16][17] Reiner then held Godse by the neck and shoulders until he was taken away by the military and police.[18][19] Gandhi was taken back to his room in Birla House, where he died soon thereafter.[20]'

would it not be wise to include this in the assassination chapter? Cjkblue (talk) 12:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

TOC limit

Hello,

At present, TOC limit is set at {{TOC limit|limit=3}} with the result that it is not possible to browse the table of contents and, for example, click on Mahatma Gandhi#Partition_and_independence in order to go immediately to that part of the story.

Wouldn't it be better to set the TOC with {{TOC limit|limit=4}} , instead ? Wouln't that be more convenient ? Teofilo talk 14:02, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

rather not; see here; too long. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I fail to see how not being able to find something can be more convenient than being able to find it. And by the way, if you prefer shorter things, even if they are not convenient, then why not set TOC limit at 2, or remove the TOC all together ? Teofilo talk 14:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Film, theatre and literature section

Is the line about a Cole Porter song mentioning Gandhi *really* worth including? Seems a wee bit trivial to me.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.214.250 (talk) 13:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

150th Birth Anniversary Year and National Agenda Forum

Year 2018 is 150th birth year of Mahatma Gandhi. Governments and Organisations are planning to commemorate this occasion with different activities. I-PAC, a cross party advocacy group has made Gandhian constructive principle as core of their campaign called 'National Agenda Forum'. The National Agenda Forum has already attracted eminent personalities and students.[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rks.eldorado (talk • contribs) 14:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2018

JUST add> As the truths and facts have revealed now, Gandhi had minimal contributions for the freedom of India in the period of WWII. He was brought from the South Africa by the British. He was a puppet and slave of the British. He was responsible for 2 to 4 million peoples death in the war. Non-violence did not gave freedom to India. The term non-violance was used by the British to appease his slaves and to fool the Indians and the whole world. DrGorachandGhosh (talk) 02:28, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. Revealed by whom? We need reliable sources to cite, which back up these assertions. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2018

117.252.68.231 (talk) 02:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2018

Please change the spelling 'Ambekar' to 'Ambedkar' in the 'Untouchability and castes' section of the wikipedia page 'Mahatma Gandhi'. The spelling requires correction in the following line: In actual elections of 1937, except for some seats in Mumbai where Ambekar's party won, India's untouchables voted heavily in favour of Gandhi's campaign and his party, the Congress. Source of the correct spelling: The name spelled by the government of India as the author of the constitution of India RoboSapiendude (talk) 22:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing that out. --regentspark (comment) 01:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

Gandhi encouraged the people to cease all co-operation with the British. This would include the boycott of all British goods and government ideas. Abromfield (talk) 19:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done This is already mentioned in the article at various places (at points where he organized boycotts in specific campaigns agains the British). --regentspark (comment) 21:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

Add that Gandhi said he would never wear anything made from an animal that was slaughtered to flatter his vanity. The few times he would wear leather sandals he would verify that the leather from the sandals was made from an animal that died of natural causes, otherwise he wouldn't wear them. Kittykatkrista (talk) 20:01, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done It is unclear where you would like to see this. Also, it is better to use scholarly biographies rather than news sources from contemporary sources because news stories often focus on "small picture" pieces of information while biographies and scholarly sources, with the distance of time, can weed out trivia from the important stuff. --regentspark (comment) 21:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

Gandhi wanted better ties with britain because if there were better ties with brtian the better the people that he is fighting for in india there lives would be. The ties between the two countries are very im portant to both countries. ThomasHirdt (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Please look for modern biographical sources rather than old news reports. (Also, it is unclear how this information would be presented.)--regentspark (comment) 21:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

Add in the 'Descendants' section

One of Gandhi's sons was arrested while following his fathers campaign in India by refusing to yield to the salt monopoly. They claimed the volunteers were provoking the police to act upon them. Brentosmitty (talk) 20:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done (See above.) For a well studied person like Gandhi, you should look for scholarly sources rather than old news articles. --regentspark (comment) 21:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

Change "Gandhi was released in February 1924 for an appendicitis operation, having served only two years."to "Gandhi was released in February 1924 for an appendicitis operation, having served only two years and as a result gave thanks to his surgery for his freedom as opposed to any fundamental changes done by the British government toward the Swarajist, or home rule. Kevinallan (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The suggested addition seems trivial and unnecessary. Also, see above comment on sources. --regentspark (comment) 21:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

To add to the Struggle for Indian Independence(1915-1947) section, when this article begins explaining how Gandhi joined the Indian National Congress I just wanted to provide some more details. The Muslim league was created by Muslim landlords and wealthy middle class. This new organization brought about conflict with the Indian National Congress who was led by Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru who agreed that together they represented all Indians. This split caused many disagreements in voting in terms of land given to each group, practices and rituals that each group follows. Jacquelinewinslow (talk) 21:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done The cited source is an opinion piece by a journalist. Please look for scholarly sources. --regentspark (comment) 21:46, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

change " Gandhi was arrested on 10 March 1922, tried for sedition, and sentenced to six years' imprisonment. He began his sentence on 18 March 1922." to " Gandhi was arrested on 10 March 1922, tried for sedition, and sentenced to six years' imprisonment.In the courtroom the nationalist leader stated if he is liberated he would keep up his work as non-violence was the first and last article of his faith. He began his sentence on 18 March 1922." Kevinallan (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done No source cited. Also, this appears to be trivia that adds little to the article. (See WP:INDISCRIMINATE--regentspark (comment) 21:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi

Gandhi's nonviolence approach did not leave him without protection. His force was influence. Gandhi was able to lead this movement and was able to liberate India from British rule by his political action.

Before the conference the Congress Working Committee thought Gandhi should not take any further part in the conference. they wanted him to return to India due to the worsening conditions. However, they left that decision to Gandhi. Despite this warning, Gandhi decided to stay for the conference.

It was Gandhi's heart grasp, a gentle audacity of his spirit, which made him transcendent of his time. Tessa.boise (talk) 21:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done Please see my comments at the various edit requests immediately preceding this one. --regentspark (comment) 21:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

On November 7th, 1925 at 7:45 am Miss Madeline Slade showed up at Gandhi's home and dropped to her knees asking to join his following. He lifted her up and said "You shall be my daughter". New York Times, "Gandhi's 'Love Letters'" July 16th, 1950 Francescocava (talk) 17:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Trivia. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE --regentspark (comment) 19:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2018

In 1919, Mahatma Gandhi entered into a complex relationship with Sarala Devi Chaudhurani. Chaudhurani was a writer, singer and educator in India and is credited as the founder of the first women's organization in India. Bharat Stree Mahamandal, which aimed to educate women, in 1920. At the time, Gandhi had been celibate for more than ten years, and he and Chaudhurani had both been married to other people. Letters sent between the two contain quotes such as "You still continue to haunt me even in my sleep" which was written by Gandhi. Additionally Gandhi would refer to her as his "spiritual wife" to close friends. In 1920, Gandhi began to distance himself from Chaudhurani, after his friends had advised him to make sure this "spiritual marriage" was not publicly known. Gandhi would later confess that he did not, in practice, have the "infinitely higher purity" "that I possess in thought" to be able to continue on with this spiritual marriage.

Tyler.benenati (talk) 21:33, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

References

I'm unsure if this is helpful in the article. Perhaps in the Brahmacharya section? If you have access to the Guha book, could you see how this fits into the narrative of Gandhi and Brahmacharya? --regentspark (comment) 22:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This appears contentious, and would clearly need a WP:CONSENSUS before making an edit request. DBigXrayᗙ 15:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2018

Mahatma Gandhi, the notorious apostle of civil disobedience, was sentenced to six years of simple imprisonment. He was arrested for his nonviolent rebellious behavior and non-cooperation with the authority of British rule. After one day of trial however Gandhi was imposed of his sentence. Later it says that speculations have been made that’s he will be transferred to another facility but the outcome of his future is uncertain. The author also discusses how Gandhi is very popular and sparks many other movements around him. Ryan.couchman (talk) 21:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done because you didn't state what you want changed. Please make a request in the form "change X to Y" or "add X" or "remove Y" and provide references to reliable sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Gandhi's influence on India

Lord Linlithgov's negotiated the 'Poons Pact' under which Gandhi called off his civil disobedience campaign. The 'Poons Pact' was negotiated in September 1932 between Gandhi and the orthodox Hindu Politicians. However, Gandhi staged one of his fasts to compel the Hindus to agree to a definite proportion. Scared that could be held responsible for Gandhi's death, the Hindu leaders did what Gandhi wanted, and the British government gave legislative effect to the agreement. And the British government had zero connection to the 'Poons Pact'. However, what Lord Irwin did negotiate with Gandhi was the Irwin- Gandhi pact, which intended to operate as an armistice during the civil disobedience movement.Gandhi designed India's national flag  with a spinning wheel in it's center. This campaign persuaded schools to introduce spinning classes. The plain white cloth and cloth became the uniform of the Indian patriot fdasjhdfsakdfhshjdfjhsdkgjhhkjhdfjhfjdd

. Gandhi praised the wheel as "the sacrament of millions" and "the gateway to my spiritual salvation." However, at the same time he would organize bonfires of imported cloth. He even threw his wife's favorite sari into the flames and he got himself arrested.  The boycott of English textile was being justified as a measure of economic warfare in a nations struggle to independence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.195.251 (talk) 18:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Gandhi's nationality during his lifetime

As Gandhi was born in a princely state (Porbandar), he was a British protected person (subject of the ruler of Porbandar) from birth until the state of Porbandar acceded to the new Dominion of India in August 1947. He clearly mentions his status as a British protected person on his 1931 application for a passport to attend the Round Table Conference in London that year. From the time Porbandar State acceded to India in 1947 until the Constitution of India came into effect (which was after Gandhi's death), subjects of princely states and their rulers were legally "British subjects," though rulers of individual states prior to a princely state's formal merger with India (as opposed to its mere accession) retained their sovereignty during this period. Indian citizenship did not legally become distinct from the status of "British subject" until the British Nationality Act 1948 came into effect in 1949 (see Indian nationality law for details).

For the sake of accuracy, I think it best to make this correction, though thoughts on the matter would also be appreciated.Aumnamahashiva (talk) 02:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2019

"December, [year]" = "December [year]" 2605:E000:9149:8300:AD96:7ABA:7CA2:5D81 (talk) 10:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 11:04, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Section

The section "Criticism of Gandhi" under "Legacy" mentions a recent incident about a removal of a statue [regarding racist views which are already described in length in the article]. This section should be either merged under Legacy or definitely be renamed per WP:CSECTION. Gotitbro (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: I am surprised this section was even added per the Wikipedia essay you have linked. I definitely do support removing the "Criticism of Gandhi" section. I say that we merge this content into "Followers and international influence" -- I believe that would fit into the section quite nicely as obviously something of Gandhi's views has "influenced" the University of Ghana to remove a statue of him. Personally, I would support this move - though I am open for suggestions. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 15:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that seems to be correct place to merge this into. Gotitbro (talk) 16:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done per the essay you've linked and this discussion. Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 18:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2019

He is the brave freedom fighter 157.44.113.65 (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 16:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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No request was made. Please be specific about what needs to be changed. —Vensatry _(talk) 15:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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Some typos need corrected:

On 5 May he interned under a regulation dating from 1827 in anticipation of a protest that he had planned. The protest at Dharasana salt works on 21 May went ahead without its leader, Gandhi.

On 5 May he was interned.

This day was commemorated by almost every other Indian organisation. Gandhi then launched a new Satyagraha against the tax on salt in March 1930. Gandhi sent an unltimatum in the form of a polite letter to the viceroy of India, Lord Irwin, on 2 March. A young left wing British Quaker by the name of Reg Reynolds[119] delivered the letter. Gandhi condemned British rule in the letter, descrbing it as "a curse" that "has impoverished the dumb millions by a system of progressive exploitation and by a ruinously expensive military and civil administration... It has reduced us politically to serfdom." Gandhi also mentioned in the letter that the viceroy received a salary "over five thousand times India's average income."[120] British violence, Gandhi promised, was going to be defetaed by Indian non-violence.

unltimatum-> ultimatum

descrbing-> describing

defetaed-> defeated

--Cumulo Nimbus Nine (talk) 19:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

You fixed them, thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 04:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Commas required

For example, "was born on 2 October 1869[1] into a Gujarati Hindu Modh Baniya family" should be "was born on 2 October 1869 into a Gujarati, Hindu, Modh, Baniya family."--2604:2D80:C407:868B:F106:1BD:6D6B:1993 (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

edit external links

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideau^talk 11:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2019

write firing 3 bullets LOGKING 2 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Not done. Per WP Manual of Style, numbers from zero to nine are written out in words. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2019

LOGKING 2 (talk) 09:50, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Instead of firing 3 bullets writh firing three bullets

I'm not exactly sure which you're asking to be in the article, but the article as written says "firing three bullets", which is correct. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Gujarati pronunciation and spelling

Gandhi is from Gujarat but the pronunciations /ˈɡɑːndi, ˈɡændi/... [ˈmoːɦəndaːs ˈkərəmtʃənd ˈɡaːndʱi] are in English and Hindustani only - not in Gujarati. Is there a reason for this? Based on the article, he seems to have spoken Gujarati. Also, what about including the native spelling મોહનદાસ કરમચંદ ગાંધી in the article. Most articles about Chinese subjects have the names in simplified and traditional Chinese characters and various romanizations and IPA transcriptions for the different varieties of Chinese. It's an odd omission to not include any Indian spelling of his name at all. Jackpaulryan (talk) 04:35, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Please read WP:INDICSCRIPTS and by extension its implications for pronunciation. Ideally the Hindi should be removed as well. It has been retained as a courtesy to such among Wikipedia's readers as might be curious. The Gujarati, in addition, will top load the lead with pronunciation excessive pronunciation, which is generally confusing to new readers. Besides, there is almost no chance that anyone living today will reliably recreate the Gujarati pronunciation of Gandhi's childhood. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Fowler&fowler! I see that it says the native scripts should not be included, but it does say the pronunciation (in the International Phonetic Alphabet) should be included.

I totally sympathize with the concern that, even if Gujarati pronunciation was added, it would likely be inaccurate to the exact variety of Gujarati spoken by Gandhi. Although I'm sure some linguist somewhere could give an historically/regionally/class accurate Gujarati IPA transcription I understand that would be hard to obtain. For now, we could specify "Modern (Porbandar?) Gujarati" and "Modern Hindustani" to give some acknowledgment to the anachronistic pronunciations.

For concerns about spacing, Hindustani or Gujarati pronunciation could be relegated to a superscript note but I don't know if that'd be necessary.

Jackpaulryan (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Why should Modern Gujarati (spoken of all places in Porbandar, where Gandhi spent almost no time) or for that matter the Hindi spoken in the Republic of India be favored? Gandhi was a cosmopolitan world figure, his ideology spread far beyond his native Gujarat. He himself was of the view that simple, everyday, bazaar Hindustani (Urdu) should be the national language of India, and took pains to learn the Perso-Arabic script in his mid-life. Why then should Gujarati be favored for such a figure. I have therefore removed the Hindi IPA and the audio file, as it was added by someone who was merely trying to be helpful, but innocent of the airing of the various linguistic sub-nationalisms that India-related pages have been subject to. (I am not saying that you are promoting that, but it is almost certain that if Gujarati is admitted, other languages will too) WP:INDICSCRIPTS was a response to that. I am pinging @RegentsPark: who will have something more reliable to say. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Because Gandhi is a pan-Indian figure, equally important and recognizable in Gujarat or Tamil Nadu, using specific indic scripts or IPA transcriptions should be avoided. --regentspark (comment) 18:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2019

Gandhinagar (the capital of the state of Gujarat, Gandhi's birthplace) need to rewrite above sentence as it is misunderstood Ganndhinagar as birthplace of Gandhi dbpatel 14:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:48, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Gandhi in South Africa

Gandhi spent close to twenty-five years in South Africa.At the beginning of his stay he served as lawyer/Barrister.How did he support himself and his family in later years of his stay in that country? Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Jonathansammy:: He was a lawyer throughout his 21 years in SA, and a well-paid one at that. See:

Gandhi's success in his legal career deserves far more notice, but it seems writers prefer not to dwell on it because it does not conform to the stereotype of the renouncer. Around 1905-6 Gandhi's legal practice in Johannesburg fetched him an annual income of £ 5000, a considerable sum at the time. It is therefore most likely that Gandhi's lack of interest in money in later years was less a 'natural' cast of mind than a deliberate choice. We may surmise that Gandhi's success in his professional career was not without impact upon the substantial development of his personality, endowing him with a self-confidence he completely lacked earlier. The financial aspect of his career deserves attention at least for what it reveals about Gandhi's capacities. Sometimes it is argued that Gandhi, being about the only Indian lawyer in South Africa, deserves no great credit for his success. But his success was not evident at the outset. When he arrived in South Africa, Gandhi had a purely bookish knowledge of the law and was ignorant of commercial law, mastery of which was indispensable in a milieu of merchants. After a few years he acquired the reputation of being a competent as well as honest lawyer. He obtained regular custom from merchants who, before his arrival, had used the services of European lawyers."

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Fowler&fowler. As you said, not much is written about his professional career as a lawyer. Perhaps you can add this information to the article. Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Mahatama did not stay at the train station but he had blood on him so A man called Amod Bayat (from my family) made him stay for a few days at Amod's shop (Don't belive me) I have a letter saying for proof.

So get that letter published in a publication that has a reputation for fact checking and accuracy, and we can use it in the article. Otherwise it's just hearsay. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

It's in South Africa but I can get one of my family members can send it to me then I will send it to my phone and publish it on this page.

Read the comment before yours: "... get that letter published ..." Wikipedia specifically does not prioritize original research. If you scan the letter from a relative, that's original research. You need something that isn't your (or your relative's) personal experience. This is an encyclopedia. See WP:NOR --IAmNitpicking (talk) 13:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Missing word

In the section that says, “Time Magazine named The 14th Dalai Lama, Lech Wałęsa, Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, Aung San Suu Kyi, Benigno Aquino, Jr., Desmond Tutu, and Nelson Mandela as Children of Gandhi...” it should have Jr on the end of Martin Luther King. Brownhorse0 (talk) 17:04, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Thanks.-Nizil (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

1918 Ahmedabad labour strike

There is no mention/article on 1918 Ahmedabad labour strike which was one of Gandhi's earliest involvement in public life of India. A large number of sources are available for it (eg [5]). An article and a summarised paragraph here like his other movements (eg Kheda Satyagraha) would be good. Not RS but gives some overview here. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 13:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler, RegentsPark, Nirvana2013, Beamathan, and Rjensen:.-Nizil (talk) 13:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

etymology

etymology of the name gandhi should be included in this article . the root of gandhi is "gandh" meaning odor or bad smell. It can also be the "gandh" meaning butt or ass. gandhi thus has the meaning that of bad smell , odor and the name may have been given to a low caste family due to professions in leatherworking cleaning toilets, etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.179.178.12 (talk) 13:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

This would be a coatrack content. This article is about Gandhi as a biography of a person not Ghandhi as a name.--SharabSalam (talk) 11:30, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

The name origin provided is B.S and is a lame attempt to distort the actual one, the root of gandhi is "gandha" meaning good odor or fragrance, the traders and merchants who did the business called themselves "gandhi", meaning persons dealing with fragrance. M.K. Gandhi whose family is of gujariti traders, hence had this last name.107.13.175.32 (talk) 13:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Your mind gutter. His name mean good smell trader. Its poplar trader sirname. Dont say bad. Thank u. Pandya101 (talk) 12:21, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi's education : Not UCL graduate but University of London alumni/graduate

Mohandas Gandhi went to England and attended classes at University College London. However he did not receive his diploma/certificate/degree papers from UCL but the central collegiate federal University of London (the degree only had UOL suffix not UCL suffix).

Please remove UCL from infobox and only add University of London as he received UOL degree and not UCL degree as was the law and provision at the time Gandhi got his degree.

Until 2008, all internal students and external students received their degree papers from UOL. The power to award degrees "to constituent colleges" started only from year 2008 and not before that. However, even now, graduating students at the college's still have a choice to either receive their own college degree or UOL degree only. The choice is still available for few college's within UOL federation.

Oxford/Cambridge both collegiate central universities don't discriminate within their own college's but degrees are issued centrally and students usually don't mention where they studied. A simple mention of Cambridge/Oxford is enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.225.73.69 (talk) 07:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

As per official records and now media reports, Gandhi was not a graduate of University College London. I have checked the records at UCL, Gandhi’s name is nowhere to be found in the surviving class registers for law or any other subject. I also find it absurd, that nowhere in Gandhi's writings/papers/books, is there any mention of his studying at UCL on campus at London. Gandhi got his LLB degree as an external student of University of London, lead college for which was UCL exclusively at that time. My statements are found to be exactly true and have been stated in this media report/news (http://www.thecnj.com/camden/2009/091009/educ091009_01.html).User:Jbiden (talk)

Request to change education in infobox from UCL LLB to University of London LLB.User:Jbiden (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi

When are we going to add racist, child lover in the description? PunchedKebab1 (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Please state clearly what you wish to be changed along with reliable sources. TanishqTejaswi (talk) 11:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Rascism

I have some evidence for Gandhi's racist views, I published them first but they were reverted Ooh Saad (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ooh Saad: Please suggest your edits here and get consensus first. Note that merely because a source says something, it doesn't need to be presented as a given in any article. Wikipedia is not a cage as you suggest but neither is it an indiscriminate collection of sourced information. --regentspark (comment) 15:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I have not 'suggested' anything I said 'Wikipedia is NOT a cage' it is an encyclopedia, my edits are encyclopedic. Ooh Saad (talk) 08:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC) Also, I don't want to continue this argument so I'll just stop being a baby.

Ok if there are no comments on this page relating to Gandis rascism as explained in the link you sent me: WP:BRD. Ooh Saad (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

"I have not 'suggested' anything". Precisely, the problem. You need to suggest your text here, explain why it is properly contextualized, and get consensus. I've reverted you again.--regentspark (comment) 14:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

BTW, I've asked User:Fowler&fowler to take a look. I don't have a problem with adding something on Gandhi and racism in the article but we should make sure that, if we do add something, it is properly contextualized.--regentspark (comment) 15:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Please be mindful of WP:3RR. I am watching this page. Thanks. Graham Beards (talk) 17:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ooh Saad: Gandhi like many major figures is a bundle of contradictions today (Churchill and Freud are others; Einstein and Darwin are too, but less so, as yet). Like other major figures, he is partly so because his every utterance has been put under the microscope, and those get more powerful by the day. No doubt he said things that were racist, but he also said things that opposed racism. Moreover, his view evolved. For the purposes of inclusion in this article, we have to examine how reliable sources have assessed Gandhi: his overall views on race (human racial diversity) and his specific utterances. Please present some references here, a small but representative set, preferably one that is available in "limited view" on Google books. Without an examination of reliable sources, we really cannot proceed. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34265882, https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/766083651/gandhi-is-deeply-revered-but-his-attitudes-on-race-and-sex-are-under-scrutiny?t=1592296511865, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/manchester-council-urged-reject-mahatma-gandhi-statue-racism, to list a few.-Thanks Ooh Saad (talk) 08:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC) Also, why do you respond to vandalism faster than you respond to replies lol

I have looked at the sources. They don't by themselves constitute the critical number or mass that would support inclusion of Gandhi's racism. However, they point to a reliable source that we could use: Desai, Ashwin; Vahed, Goolem (7 October 2015), The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire, Stanford University Press, ISBN 978-0-8047-9722-1 It will take time to examine this, a week perhaps. So, please hold on.

PS Generally speaking, Wikipedia editors respond to vandalism very quickly because it is blunt-force trauma, without subtleties or redeeming features, and can be set aright with the click of a mouse. Replying to a comment on a talk page takes time and thought, an examination of the sources, writing, maybe rewriting. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• Gandhi is actually celebrated as the foremost figure of civil rights. He was not a racist in the sense that he, just like everyone else, was taught in the school about Scientific racism which was prevalent in studies in those times, but his views about Africans modified significantly. Read the section on Mahatma Gandhi#Europeans, Indians and Africans, and check the sources. Anything more about this subject would violate WP:UNDUE. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 05:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Abhishek0831996. In a section about Gandi's beliefs, why would his racist views be undue? Also, could someone actually tell me whether I can or can't re-add the racism section?-Thanks Ooh Saad (talk) 09:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

No. You should not re-add the racism section because you still do not have consensus to do so. As @Fowler&fowler: points out, it takes time to add meaningful content, so let there be time. --regentspark (comment) 13:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Agree with RegentsPark the section on Gandhi's racism should not be added for now as there is no consensus. However having checked the sources it would not seem undue to include something about Gandhi's views on race. The sources look reliable and the point is not that the section should brand Gandhi as a racist but reveal that his views were from an historical perspective racist (if that is what the reliable sources say). It is important that so called revered historical figures are reassessed and information pertaining to difficult subjects about their lives are appropriately reported. After all Wikipedia does not censor WP:CENSOR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robynthehode (talk • contribs) 15:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

Please add, he is the father of nation, India. 89.211.250.255 (talk) 18:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

The article already mentions this. --regentspark (comment) 19:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Fowler revert and Anupam re-revert

I'm going to side with Fowler on this as not appropriate for the lead. A couple of reasons. First, this is the lead and the "hindu muslim unity prerequisite" is cited to one recent book and is not mentioned anywhere in the body. Assuming this is nuanced, we should not place this in the lead. Also, as an aside, the quote added by Anupam talks about how his emphasis on unity activated a "broad spectrum" of opposition to the British. It says nothing about prerequisits to freedom. "Composite nationalism" is not the same as freedom. --regentspark (comment) 19:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

User:RegentsPark, you performed a wholesale revert of helpful wikilinks in the body of this article. I kindly ask that you please reinstate them. Thank you. With regards, Anupam^Talk 19:42, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused. I've reverted the additions you made (the prerequisite to partition content and the quote added to a reference). What wikilinks do you refer to?--regentspark (comment) 20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear User:RegentsPark, thank you for your reply. Please have another look at your wholesale revert. You removed a wikilink from "Hindu-Muslim co-operation" and you redirected "opposed partition of the Indian subcontinent" to partition (law), when we have a whole article dedicated to this subject (you removed that wikilink as well). None of those edits cover the lede of the article. Please review your edits again and kindly reinstate the helpful wikilinks that were included in the article prior to your revert. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 20:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 20:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• Fixed the partition link. --regentspark (comment) 20:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• The Hindu-Muslim unity link has gone because the text has gone. --regentspark (comment) 20:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• Sorry, I missed the second link. Not sure if Hardiman means unity or cooperation so will leave that unlinked for now. --regentspark (comment) 20:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hindu-Muslim unity, Opposition to the partition of India, and Composite nationalism, are not helpful links but fringe-POV-ridden pages, which along with Indian reunification, have been created by Anupam.

They are being inserted by him en masse in other pages, such as Partition of India, History of Quetta, Quetta, Balochistan, Balochistan, Pakistan, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Abdul Ghaffar Khan, History of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Khudai Khidmatgar, and eventually even Pakistan! I am on vacation, but Anupam please be aware that irredentist fringe views are not WP:NPOV. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

User:RegentsPark, thank you for restoring the wikilink to that article, which contrary to User:Fowler&fowler's false assertion, is well referenced and was representative of a significant position in the Indian independence movement, including that of Mahatma Gandhi. It is obvious that once articles are created, users will add wikilinks to those articles elsewhere; once again, User:Fowler&fowler's claim that I have been inserting them in other articles alone is false; other users, such as User:Weaveravel, have found them to be relevant too. User:Fowler&fowler, you have documented your personal orientation towards communalism elsewhere on Wikipedia (see Exhibit A) and must be careful not to interject such a position in other Wikipedia articles. To say that Mahatma Gandhi was an advocate of Hindu-Muslim unity and opposed the partition of India is a non-disputed fact among mainstream historians (you wish to omit this information from the article). I will peacefully exit this discussion and allow your POV to stand (I have also restrained myself from reverting your removal of any mention of opposition to the partition in the partition of India article either), though I caution you that if you make any attempt to introduce your communal POV across the aforementioned well-sourced articles that I have heavily worked on, your campaign will be quelled and I would return here to counter your POV with full force.Thank you for your understanding. With regards, Anupam^Talk 21:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2020

He never had Cannabis (drug). Mk.hiver (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Please clearly indicate what change you would like to see in the article, along with reliable sources.--regentspark (comment) 12:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Translation of the Bhagavad Gita

Hello, Can we add one line in this page: "Gandhi translated the Bhagavad Gita into Gujarati". (Ref.: The Cambridge Companion to Gandhi; p. 75, p. 86). So that we can add this article to the category Category:Translators of the Bhagavad Gita. --Gazal world (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

The title of his translation is: Anasaktiyoga. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Fowler&fowler. Please add this, if it is suitable for the article. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 17:19, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2020

Need to include his Hindu varna too. Because in pan India, varna is more important than caste (which is local). It is very important as he tried to address avarnas, the untouchable people who are below all the varnas, like God's own people (Hari jan). See: Varna (Hinduism), Dalits. According to reference 21, he is a "vaishya varna". So, I suggest the following change.

CHANGE "born on 2 October 1869[20] into an Indian Gujarati Hindu Modh Baniya family[21] in Porbandar" TO "born on 2 October 1869[20] into an Indian Gujarati Hindu Modh Baniya family of Vaishya varna[21] in Porbandar" under the heading Early life and background. Veenusav (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Controversy on brahmacharya "experiments"

I request that a separate Controversy section (which was present earlier) be added. It is without dispute and already noted on Wiki page that Gandhi slept in the same bed naked with young women and girls (See additional references below). He took naked baths and massages from girls (p.83, 189, 196-197, My days with Gandhi by Nirmal Bose). This was controversial at that time and still is. Several of his close associates left him due to this (ibid., 134). "My days with Gandhi" by Nirmal Bose contains Gandhi's actual letters and articles where he discusses these things in his own words and surprisingly this book is not referenced at all anywhere on the page. I request it to be added as reference.

Right now, this content is mentioned under brahmacharya heading as a subtext. I request all data on this subject to be consolidated under separate Controversy section because it is an important topic in itself and should not be trivialized.

Some quick references below from Nirmal Bose's and Manu's books.

https://archive.org/details/mydayswithgandhinirmalkumarbose_487_A

https://archive.org/details/Hind.Last.Glimpses/page/n351/mode/2up

"..Gandhiji said that it was indeed true that he permitted women workers to use his bed..""This 'experiment' as he called it, had been objected to by his distinguished co-workers like Narahari (Parekh) and Kishorilal (Mashruwala);"p.134

"..The immediate cause was that Manu shared the same bed with me." and "I believe that everybody in the camp knows that Manu is sharing my cot.."p.136, 159

"Manu then related to me the details of what Gandhiji described as his prayog or experiment or self-examination."p.160

"..Gandhiji had said to Nathji that his ideas on brahmacharya were not of the orthodox kind..."p.174

"I was informed that he sometimes asked women to share his bed and even the cover which he used.."p.174

"Whatever may be the value of prayog in Gandhiji's own case, it does leave a mark of injury on the personality of others.."p.174

"Even with regard to the 'experiment', I would stand by Gandhiji, if (1) the other party were a willing agent, voluntariy entering into the experiment and expressed their mind over it."p.175

"I do hope you will acquit me of having lustful designs upon women or girls who have been naked with me."p.177

"Long afterwards, the question of Gandhiji's relationship with the other sex came up for some amount of hostile criticism."p.193

"..It is reported that Mr. Edward Thompson, the British historian..told political leaders in England that "There were various stories of Gandhiji's sensual life, it being the impression that Gandhiji had ceased to be a saint."p.196, 197. Here, Gandhiji states that Sushila Nayar gave him massages and medicated baths which became controversial.

"..I had a suspicion when she told me some time ago that she had had nothing to with your prayog that she was screening facts, maybe even from herself".p.179

Questions raised by Parasuram and Gandhi's intimate colleagues on p.189 show he was in the habit of getting baths and massages from women and girls, and also men. On p.192, Gandhi states that he did not 'advertise' his experiment and there was no secrecy about it either.

He was in the habit of walking with his hands on the shoulders of two young women next to him which he said offended the accepted notions of decency.p.195.

Manu writes in "Last Glimpses of Bapu" that "It had been a long-established practice that, while Bapu walks to the prayer ground, we serve the purpose of his stick. If we ever grumbled and did not want to serve as a stick according to his practice, Bapu would catch hold of us and forcibly use us as his stick.."

Kindly note that this is not to denigrate any living or dead person, but simply to present facts so readers have accurate information which is the point of Wikipedia. Sorry about the long post but I thought it would be useful to provide easy references for convenience. ga11 (talk) 00:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I also recommend to use this source doi:10.1017/S0026749X16000354 which gives detailed timeline of Gandhi's experiments. --Gazal world (talk) 11:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2020

Change the introduction paragraph to the following:

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi or Mahatma Gandhi (/ˈɡɑːndi, ˈɡændi/; 2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948), father of the nation of independent India was an anti-colonial nationalist, a political ethicist, and a lawyer, who employed nonviolent resistance to lead the successful campaign for India's independence from British rule, and in turn, inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world. The honorific Mahātmā (Sanskrit: "great-souled", "venerable"), first applied to him in 1914 in South Africa, is now used throughout the world.

Changes Proposed: 1) To add the term Father of the nation in the introduction 2) Rearranging the things he has done in descending order of importance (as he is known to the world for being an anti-colonial nationalist and a political ethicist).

Reference - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_the_Nation#List Ayashrath (talk) 06:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Melmann 09:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi does not have a LLB from UCL | Wikipedia cannot be a fraud

One of my friends edited this article and put several sources for Gandhi not finishing UCL and only giving UOL first year exam. However, some nutjob reverted those edits few months before and reverted the article as Gandhi as UCL LLB graduate. The person who reverted said to put those edits in "Talk Page" for debate, talk and conversation. However, that was never done and after a few days put into "Archives". There is no proof for this. Until 2008, UCL never awarded any degree of its own. UCL and other constituent colleges awarded UOL federal collegiate degrees (from central administration directly.

How can false information be put into Wikipedia. Wikipedia cannot be thwe source to a fraud. Neither UCL gave degrees until 2008 and on top of that Gandhi gave UOL first year exam and after that there is no information that he has completed the full LLB exams and was even awarded a degree. If this is not solved, multiple administraros should come for a debate here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:4005:98e3:5c2:38e9:138c:d10e (talk • contribs) 20:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the UCL claim appears to be sourced in the article. Your claim that he did not graduate appears to depend on an argument built around your understanding of when UCL began offering a certain degree and upon no sources being available for certifying that he completed a certain requirement (exams?). Your conclusion may well be correct but such analysis is best left to peer review journals. The best alternative available to you is to write up your analysis in the form of a research paper, submit the paper to a peer reviewed journal, and then, once the paper is published, return here with that paper as a source. --RegentsPark (comment) 20:49, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the reference cited, what it actually says is "Gandhi was educated in both India and London, obtaining his education as a lawyer at University College London from 1888 to 1891. After graduation he returned to India where he practiced law with mixed results." There are a few things to note here. Firstly, it does not say that he graduated from UCL, just that he graduated. Secondly, Gandhi's autobiography states that he took the London Matriculation exam and the Bar exam, but makes no mention of taking a degree or of study at UCL.[6] Indeed, he even recounts the story of being turned down for a job at a school in Bombay because he had passed the Matriculation but was not a graduate.[7] Thirdly, UCL say that he was registered from 1888–1889, not until 1891.[8] Fourthly, we know – again from his autobiography – that the 'graduation' in 1891 was his passing his law exams and being called to the Bar, not a university graduation.[9]. Finally, Gandhi does not appear on the University of London degree lists as having earned an LLB.[10]

While the source cited can be read as saying Gandhi graduated with an LLB, this would appear, in the context of other reliable sources, to be mistaken. He himself was clear that he was called to the Bar and passed the London Matriculation but was not a university graduate. A charitable reading of the source cited is that by "graduation" they were referring to being called to the Bar, formally referred to as being "appointed to the degree of the utter bar". There does not appear to be any evidence that Gandhi received an LLB, and strong evidence that he did not. Robminchin (talk) 00:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

That may make sense. We'll get rid of the llb then. --RegentsPark (comment) 00:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

But, sanity check. @Fowler&fowler:--RegentsPark (comment) 00:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: The bar exams and admittance to the Inns of Court—in Gandhi's case the Inner Temple—was for many Indians a few years of self-study because they were trying to save money. Subhas Bose, who went to England nearly 30 years after Gandhi, and whose dad had money but not for him to squander, became a non-Collegiate Board Student at Fitzwilliam Hall, Cambridge (a cheaper way of getting a Cambridge degree) while he prepared for the bar. Still others such as Iqbal, enrolled in Trinity College, Cambridge with a scholarship, got his tripos, was called to the bar, and then received a doctorate in philosophy at Heidelberg (?) the following year! Anyhow, as Robminchin states, Gandhi pursued a more modest goal: he prepared for the bar and the University of London's matriculation exam, i.e. entrance exam. He may have taken informal classes at UCL, but he did not receive any degree there. To give you an idea, the University of Bombay's Matriculation Examination in 1879–80 involved exams in English, another language, mathematics, and so forth. See here The exam papers can be seen later in the calendar, the matriculation, the first exam for BA, and the final BA exam. The English core, (i.e. non-honours; there was no honors degree) seemed more exacting than modern ones. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

So what's the correct thing to say. I guess the llb is out. But do we list his alma mater as UCL if UCL says he is a graduate? Seems to me that we should be going by what UCL says and not by any of our own deductions. --RegentsPark (comment) 11:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

The Camden New Journal which is a British independent newspaper clearly supports this (http://www.thecnj.com/camden/2009/091009/educ091009_01.html). This article clearly states "But to Gandhi scholars it is by no means clear that the star student ever graduated from UCL – or indeed that he was there at all. Gandhi’s grandson, Rajmohan Gandhi, question whether the Indian leader had any ties to the university (UCL), which revels in its rank as the seventh best in the world." UCL spokeswoman also clearly states in the article that "We consider the term alumnus as being synonymous with ‘former student’. Therefore, we do on occasion use it to describe people, such as Gandhi, who have studied here but have not necessarily completed a UCL degree.” The spokesperson is wrong here as well because UCL never awarded its own degree until 2008. All degrees again were from collegiate federal University of London. UCL makes the claim but it is a fraud.

Gandhi certainly seems to have taken classes at UCL, so their description of him as an alumnus is accurate. Regarding what should go in the infobox – looking at Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, they both list Harvard under 'education' rather than as their alma mater, with an annotation to explain that they didn't take a degree. For a case like this that would seem appropriate, possibly just switching the education label in for alma mater and including the Inner Temple there as well. Robminchin (talk) 12:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

A person such as Gates or Zuckerberg who pursued a degree at a school and dropped out is a different case than someone who perhaps audited a few courses or used a library at a school. Mainly, in all the biographies of Gandhi, and I've read a few over the years, I never heard of UCL, at least not in reference to Gandhi studying there formally. (I do see some recent ORy ones but they can be ignored). BR Nanda, Gandhi's famous biographer, in his Britannica article says this, "... and sailed in September 1888. Ten days after his arrival, he joined the Inner Temple, one of the four London law colleges (The Temple). Gandhi took his studies seriously and tried to brush up on his English and Latin by taking the University of London matriculation examination. But, during the three years he spent in England, his main preoccupation was with personal and moral issues rather than with academic ambitions." I think in the infobox we should just say, "Inner Temple," for that's where he was, attending six dinners every term for six terms, etc etc. meeting all the requirements, and eventually passing the bar exam. Consider UCL to be at best the equivalent of a private tutor he might have engaged to help him with Latin or Roman law. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg both attended Harvard College, undergraduate part of Harvard University. Both their Wikipedia biography, in their info-box says Harvard University (drop out) not Harvard College dropout. Their recognition in life later comes when they both received honorary doctorate from Harvard University and not Harvard College. By this honorary doctorate recognition, they are officially Harvard alumni and degree holders. As Gandhi did take "University of London" exams, he is a UOL alumnus (but where is this written in the info-box and the Wikipedia article. UOL is completely missing in Wikipedia biography. Why is UCL only mentioned? UCL did not organize any exams/tests. He might have attended few classes and even bunked others. No one knows). Nelson Mandela on the other hand, received his LLB as an external student from University of London, giving UOL exams centrally administered. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:4005:98E3:501B:4B85:D775:D9E (talk) 16:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Passing a matriculation exam of anything has no meaning. Gandhi took the exam to improve his English and Latin enough for passing the bar exam. Neither UCL nor UOL belong to his formal education. Earlier, Gandhi had successfully passed the matriculation exam of the University of Bombay (which at least had the decency to put their syllabus and exam papers of that exam on the web for 1879-80 for us to peruse). Anyway, here is BR Nanda:

In 1887 Mohandas scraped through the matriculation examination of the University of Bombay (now University of Mumbai) and joined Samaldas College in Bhavnagar (Bhaunagar). As he had to suddenly switch from his native language—Gujarati—to English, he found it rather difficult to follow the lectures. Meanwhile, his family was debating his future. Left to himself, he would have liked to have been a doctor. But, besides the Vaishnava prejudice against vivisection, it was clear that, if he was to keep up the family tradition of holding high office in one of the states in Gujarat, he would have to qualify as a barrister. That meant a visit to England, and Mohandas, who was not too happy at Samaldas College, jumped at the proposal.

Gandhi matriculated from Alfred High School (Rajkot) by passing the University of Bombay's matriculation exam. He enrolled formally in Samaldas College Bhavnagar, for one term, and then left for London, still shy of his 19th birthday, enrolling in the Inner Temple upon arrival. Only two institutions belong to his alma mater box: Alfred High School, and the Inner Temple. The rest is nonsense. I will look for reliable sources and fix it. 17:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Signing properly Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

That seems reasonable. Robminchin (talk) 02:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Robminchin, 2405:201:4005:98e3:5c2:38e9:138c:d10e, and RegentsPark: for catching this. It's been in the article for eight or nine years. Part of the problem is that once people become famous everyone wants a piece of the action. That railway station at Pietermaritzburg on the hard platform of which the young Mohandas was tossed out of a train, now has a plaque to which famous statesmen pay homage. Speaking of trains, the train station in Lucknow, India, I believe, ha a memorial at the spot (it is claimed) where Nehru met Gandhi for the first time (the would-be heir awestruck by the master) before the Lucknow session of the Indian National Congress in 1916. Local historians have embellished it further. Nehru, in his autobiography, says only that Gandhi was not very well known at the time and also shy, retiring, that he first met him around the time of the Lucknow session. Not quite awestruck. Anyway to cut a long story short, if others hold their peace, I'll change the infobox entry in a couple of days. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Mentor(Guru's) of Mahatma Gandhi :

Mahatma Gandhi Considered Gopal Krishna Gokhale as his political guru and Shrimad Rajchandra as his political guru. Thebroadcastofficial (talk) 10:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

There are some sources for the former at Gopal_Krishna_Gokhale#Mentor_to_Gandhi – Thjarkur (talk) 10:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Please clearly state the change you want to see (for example, "change x to y") and please provide reliable sources. --RegentsPark (comment) 12:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I support RegentsPark and would like to add a more general assessment of Gandhi here, mine, of course, but based on sources: A genius of the stature of Gandhi stood on the shoulders of many giants, not all Indian, not all "gurus." nor all anti-colonial nationalists. Among them (by Gandhi's own acknowledgment) were Henry David Thoreau (through his essay on Civil Disobedience); John Ruskin (through Unto This Last which also influenced a generation of British liberals per C. R. Attlee's own acknowledgment); Leo Tolstoy (who exchanged letters with Gandhi on idealized communities (no wonder Gandhi named his first commune Tolstoy Farm)); Hermann Kallenbach the German-Jewish activist who was a major collaborator of Gandhi in South Africa; C. F. Andrews and in general liberal Christians in India, not to mention theosophists and Indian Home-Rule activists, in particular Annie Besant who gave the flag of the Republic of India its three colors by modeling its precursor on the flag of Ireland, and encouraged Gandhi to adopt the short dhoti ("loin cloth") as his mode of dress. Rajchandra (who had died in 1901) and Gokhale (who died in 1915 soon after Gandhi's return to India from South Africa) were very important no doubt, but more like some others in the list, inspirations, not mentors with whom he had had much day-to-day contact. So, summing up: Gandhi was a complex figure, not reducible to a few ideas, people, or places, though India of course was his historical stomping ground and its condition the springboard of his actions. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Gandhi was an Indian Lawyer. He married at the age of 13. His marriage was arranged. At 19 years old,he went to the University College London. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.65.51.89 (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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45.122.45.175 (talk)nikal chinal

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EN-Jungwon 13:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Being a die-hard vegetarian

He was a huge vegetarian, and loved animals! Gooseberrycheesecake (talk) 23:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

We mention vegetarianism, of course, in part because Gandhi does in his autobiography, from the get-go. He loved animals, yes, but he didn't love them in the way veterinarians do or naturalists do, or people who work at the SPCA do, coming in nonstop contact with them or their environment (if they are wild), saving lives, or observing lives, matter-of-factly or treating patients who are unable to tell the doctor how they are. Gandhi no doubt said some wise things about animals and because of his stature as a world figure, they were heard in faraway places, and surely he set an example, but we have to keep WP:DUE in mind. As with everything else on Wikipedia, if you can point to some sources about Gandhi and animals, especially scholarly ones, it would be great. Also, not that you are saying this, but there is not always a connection between vegetarianism and loving or saving animals. The Nawab of Junagadh was most decidedly not vegetarian, but it was he who saved the Asiatic Lion. Thanks for reminding us though. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:50, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021

Change "In contrast, other Africa scholars state" to "In contrast, other African scholars state" 2A0A:A546:30F6:0:5DE8:1F28:AAFF:E170 (talk) 14:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: I agree that the way it's worded is slightly clumsy, but "African scholars" would presumably mean scholars from Africa, where as "Africa scholars" here means scholars of Africa. Feel free to re-open this edit request if you want to change it to something else. Volteer1 (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Controversies

I know there are lots of people like me who turn to Wikipedia for up to date information on controversial topics.

The diaries of Mridula Gandhi are now available in English.

So please add a 'Controversies' section.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49848645

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/the-interviews-blog/gandhi-was-obsessed-with-sex-while-preaching-celibacy-to-others-kusoom-vadgama/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbioggio (talk • contribs) 04:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

"Sabka Baap" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Sabka Baap. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 2#Sabka Baap until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 07:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Archiving bots

I see three configurations for the archiving. Could someone with the knowledge of the configs remove the non-required ones? From history, I see Lowercase sigmabot III archiving. Thanks! -- DaxServer (talk) 09:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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2409:4063:2210:D626:0:0:27F4:A0A0 (talk) 23:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Mohan Das Karam Chandra Gandhi not Mahatma Gandhi

 Not done: The current use is well cited. Please provide reliable sources verifying the claim that Mohan Das Karam Chandra Gandhi should be used instead of Mahatma Gandhi Terasail^[✉️] 00:00, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Same thing yar MJ7PRO (talk) 15:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Not to use 'Mahatma' in title

As per Wikipedia any personality can't have it's nickname in titles , so here why Mahatma used it must be Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ONLY must be edited MJ7PRO (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME. We title articles according to how the subject is best known, not according to a legal birth name. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

It does not matter what is the legal name of a subject. WP:COMMONNAME advocates that the subject should be named after their common name which in this case is clearly Mahatma Gandhi and not MK Gandhi. Appu (talk) 01:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Gandhi is almost always mentioned just by his last name without MK or Mahatma and Gandhi disliked the title of Mahatma and so i think it should be changed to MK but i’m not going to do it cause i don’t want to get accused of vandalism by the senior wikipedia editors who like to bully new ones but since Gandhi is mostly known by his last name & got famous for noble reasons & not notoriety i think his wishes should be considered & he said in his autobiography that he disliked Mahatma. I think if he was super known for Mahatma then maybe you can contend even though he disliked it that it should stay but considering he disliked it and he is more known and addressed by last name only i think it should be changed to MK. If your a senior editor & disagree then please respond objectively w/out insults as i have noticed is often how senior editors reply Tonyjohnsonhere (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2021 (UTC)