Talk:Murder of the Goldmark family

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I'm not sure if this is a typo, but what does it mean "is a follower of the a movement"? Is that a random "the" or is he following the "A" movement? What movement does he follow?Bali88 (talk) 04:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 07:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

David Lewis Rice → Murder of Goldmark family – Article is about a notorious murder of a family by a killer motivated by an urge to kill Jews and communists - he was mistaken, the Goldmark family was neither. But the murder continues to be notable because of the motivation. Killer is known only for the single crime and for the subsequent trials. Topic is back in the news cycle because of the antisemitic shootings in Pittsburgh, but while i=his name is mentioned, it's not the way the incident is referred to, with the exception of some anti-death penalty activists. In today's news The Atlantic calls it The murder of the Goldmark family in 1985. CNN doesn't even name the killer "Until now, the deadliest attack specifically targeting Jews happened in 1985 when a Seattle lawyer Charles Goldmark was bludgeoned and stabbed to death, along with his wife, Annie, and their two sons,...". Case has never really dropped out of the news, New York Times columnist 2012: Not long after the witch hunts of the 1950s, a good man in my home state of Washington was accused of being a Communist. Years later, his son’s family — Charles Goldmark, his wife and two kids — was slaughtered by a mentally deranged killer who believed the original libel and..." doesn't name the killer. This KCTS-TV homage to an anti-death penalty activist does "Godden argued against the death penalty for David Rice, who murdered the Goldmark family on Christmas Eve in 1986. This 1989 article in The Spokesman-Review is headlined Death Sentence Reversed In Goldmark Murders],. "Goldmark Murders" is a redirect and seems to have been a usage at teh time of the trials. But I do a fair number of murder articles (at AfD,) and it is now common to use "Murder of..." in cases of a murderer who committed a single murder. E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. it's not a bio, and rightfully so. Only minor tweaks needed to article to make it formatted as one about the murder rather than the murderer. Content is all about the murder, not the perp. --В²C ☎ 20:11, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support timely change of focus to Charles Annie and their two boys 10-year-old Colin and 12-year-old Derek. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per В²C and In ictu oculi. Each such move request has to be individually evaluated and some requests are unsuccessful — the two most recent ones — Talk:Juan David Ortiz#Requested move 19 September 2018 and Talk:Charles Whitman#Requested move 21 September 2018 — were not moved. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support although Murder of the Goldmark family would be better. WP:BIO1E suggests that the article in this situation should usually be about the event and not the person, unless the event is very high profile. This one doesn't reach that standard and the article is almost entirely about the crime. Hut 8.5 22:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Good point. Agreed. @In ictu oculi, Roman Spinner, and E.M.Gregory:... concur? --В²C ☎ 22:59, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Concur.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Concur with use of the form Murder of the Goldmark family. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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