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Error and confusing wording[edit]

"The term 'Palestinian Territory, Occupied' was used by the United Nations (UN) and other international organizations between 1998 to 2013 in order to refer to the Palestinian National Authority."

The Palestinian National Authority is a government body, not a territory.

Israeli sovereignty, however, has not been recognized by any country...

This should say "Israeli sovereignty over the Palestinian territories...". Kaldari (talk) 03:48, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Rather than "occupied territories" or "territories occupied" phrasing used in the past, UNSC2334 now refers to the "Palestinian territory occupied" at Clause 1 and "the occupied Palestinian territory" at Clause 2 (referring to the WB and EJerusalem in this context, ie taking Gaza out of it at least directly) . I think some reference ought to be made to this, perhaps (roughly) along these lines:
"Palestinian territories" and "occupied Palestinian territories" (OPT or oPt) are descriptions often used to describe the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip, which are occupied or otherwise under the control of Israel.[7][8][9].Since then, UNSC Res 2334 of 2016 refers to "the Palestinian territory occupied" in its Clause 1 and to "occupied Palestinian territory" in its Clause 2 (referring to the WB and EJerusalem in this context).

I qualify by time but not by count I think so any comments about this?Selfstudier (talk) 11:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hah, it seems I do qualify by number of edits as well so if nothing on this in a few days, I will have a go at making a proper edit.12Selfstudier (talk) 12:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Article Title[edit]

Having mulled over the edit as discussed above, it would seem that the article title is in question.

The most current high level UN sources covering the situation appear to be UNSC 2334(2016) and UNSC 1860(2009). Are there others?

"Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state" (second line of UNSC 1860 re Gaza) and

"establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem" (in clause 1 of UNSC 2334) and

"cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem" (in Clause 2 of UNSC 2334)

I suppose here that "Palestinian territory occupied" has the same meaning as "occupied Palestinian territory" and the wording is just for convenience.

My take from this is the the official line now is that there is ONE occupied territory comprising Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank (although the latter is not specifically mentioned other than by reference to settlements).

The standalone name would seem to be "Occupied Palestinian territory" (as an aside , this would also appear to deal with the "occupation" of Gaza by defining Gaza as an integral part of THE territory even though it is geographically separated)

So it seems that the article should be retitled from "Palestinian territories" to either of "Occupied Palestinian territory" or "Palestinian territory" (I suppose either would do, the first might be better in view of the implied Gaza occupation).

Of course, what seems clear to me might not be so clear to others, so if there are no comments over next few days I am going to go ahead with an edit based on the above.Selfstudier (talk) 10:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I oppose you change because of WP:RECENTISM and anyhow the UNSC decisions are WP:Primary we should look if the following years if WP:RS change their terminology so we should too till that its premature. --Shrike (talk) 11:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I will continue to wait for more comments in view of your objection.I will however say at this point that I do not agree with your assertions, we are not talking about newspaper articles here but UNSC resolutions and I have directly quoted from them precisely so as to avoid a charge of original research. I am not sure of what your definitions of primary and secondary are in the context of a title change, if you are saying that UNSC resolutions are primary, then what do you consider to be secondary? Selfstudier (talk) 12:04, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Please read what is WP:RS secondary sources.In general it should be scholarly books and articles or newspapers.--Shrike (talk) 12:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I have already read that, note that I have not yet accepted that UNSC Resolutions are primary for the purpose of a title change.I already have one "secondary", how many will satisfy you?.Selfstudier (talk) 12:25, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Per WP:COMMONNAME most of the sources should use it.--Shrike (talk) 12:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Shrike. COMMONNAME applies. One or two UN resolutions don't outweigh the thousands of reliable sources that refer to the territories in the plural. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 14:45, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I also recommend following the procedures laid out at WP:Requested moves. They will help publicize this request and draw input from a larger pool of editors. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 14:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
It's OK, I am not that bothered about it, I just think it is more accurate and I have already verified to my own satisfaction that the distinction is intentional. So I am happy just to leave this here on the talk page and allow users to make up their own minds about it.Selfstudier (talk) 15:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Palestine[edit]

change ((Palestine)) to ((State of Palestine|Palestine)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4305:C70:DB0:EB92:650:804A (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Not going to happen. Palestine is a disambiguation page, not an article about Palestine. You'll need to build consensus on this page for any other changes. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:00, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Straightforward case of resolving a link to disambiguation page. Not sure what the issue is. It is referring to the official religion specified in the constitution of the State of Palestine. If the issue is the pipe, remove it and just link "State of Palestine" directly. Rob984 (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2016 (UTC)