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Without much trouble I found a half dozen uses of the LDS Family Search genealogy database in longstanding Wikipedia entries. You're misinterpreting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Avoid_misuse_of_primary_sources It would be applicable if I went to New York and accessed primary birth records. The LDS website uses a third party aggregator as described at the reference. In addition when you deleted the date of birth this time, you deleted the place of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eblem (talk • contribs) 11:17, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
"no way of knowing whether that record relates to this person)" - Justlettersandnumbers
There is only one Phyllis Zagano in the United States:
I am not sure why this Zagano article has turned into a p-ssing contest, but I am going to restore this if you don't present something more profound in the next 24 hours or so.
Those "short discussions" are just that - discussions citing opposing positions. If you can't cite a Wikipedia "decision" you're simply taking a contra position. Again, this Zagano article is becoming a p-ssing contest for reasons that simply elude me. Wikipedia is rife with completely unsourced DOBs and numerous others using the same source I cited.
It would be if the reference were a primary source. It is not. I am all for submitting this to dispute resolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Eblem (talk I can live with whatever comes out of that.
Btw, what "profanity"? "P-ssing contest" isn't profane (obscene, lewd or abusive) even spelled out. If it is, you better see about this Wikipedia entry:
The fact that you're convinced, too, is another datum in support of opening a DRN case. We have three true believers who have made it crystal clear that there will be no discussion. If you want me to round up four editors who see it my way and swing the consensus the other way, which is what you, Joel B Lewis, and Elizium23 have been doing in more than one context, that is doable, but all it would prove is that there is no consensus. I just took another look and there was no "'Phyllis Zagano' as a relative of that Phyllis Zagano". It simply listed all the names associated with that entry, including her own. (Personal attack removed) -- Eblem (talk) 20:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
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A Secondary Source Zagano's birthdate and place of birth are listed "Phyllis Zagano was born in Queens, New York, on August 25, 1947" in the finding aid for her papers at the Women and Leadership Archives, Loyola University Chicago. --Samuel J. Howard (talk) 17:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)