Talk:Qilombo
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Suggestions for improvements
[edit]Hiya I thought I'd make some comments here for User:MariaElle about the page. It's a great start and needs a bit of work. I suggested looking at Red Emma's, Bluestockings (bookstore) and Forte Prenestino as pages for somewhat similar projects. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) is worth a read since we need to establish notability for wikipedia, which is done by using references to indepth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Without establishing notability, then the article won't be approved. That doesn't say anything about the project itself, this just about the wikipedia criteria for notability. I'm discussing the links you used and also found some others.
I would say these sources fit that criteria and therefore should be used for the basis of the article:
- https://www.theselc.org/afrikatown_tour_and_land_liberation
- https://www.workers.org/2015/04/19376/
- https://viewpointmag.com/2016/02/01/strategy-after-ferguson/
- https://resist.org/grantee/qilombo/
These sources are reliable but the mention of Qilombo is fleeting so they might be worth using but don't really contribute to establishing notability:
- https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/diy-in-crisis-has-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-jeopardized-the-underground-114144/
- https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/3122
- https://openspace.sfmoma.org/2018/05/creating-the-collective-challenges-on-23rd-avenue/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20120604014710/https://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/black-bloc-anarchist-turn.html
These sources are fine to use but they are all local news sources so should just be used to back specific claims like a gallery show or whatnot, as you have already been doing. They don't add much to notability, being local:
- https://www.eastbayexpress.com/WhatTheFork/archives/2015/04/03/west-oakland-activists-vow-to-defend-afrika-town-community-garden
- https://www.dailycal.org/2015/12/04/hannah-gentrification/
- https://crpbayarea.org/cultural-resilience-community-engagement-and-addressing-displacement-from-an-equity-standpoint/
- https://www.postnewsgroup.com/qilombo-to-host-benefit-concert-for-donations-to-homeless/
- https://xpressmagazine.org/13317/uncategorized/determined-for-change/
- https://sfbayview.com/2016/05/come-to-the-afrikatown-anti-eviction-block-party-on-may-28/
- https://thestreetspirit.org/2019/02/01/oakland-community-social-center-raided-by-police/
- http://www.thecampanil.com/qilombo-fights-gentrification-in-community-amidst-own-battles/
- https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/best-anarchist-hangout/BestOf?oid=3288562
This link - https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20180305000 is great to include but doesn't count towards establishing notability for wikipedia since court documents are considered
Right now there's a lot of facebook links which aren't that necessary. Per WP:FACEBOOK facebook links are acceptable under certain circumstances, but if it's an event rpeort, much better to use a local news link. I would chop out most if not all of the facebook links. If that means a certain event is not mentioned, that's ok.
I'd say the "Notable Events, Workshops, and Series" section doesn't need all the subheaders, it could be rolled together.
Hopefully by comparing this article to Red Emma's, Bluestockings (bookstore) and Forte Prenestino you can see what i am on about!
The quote to explain the name is great, but the quote to expalin the transition is too big. Also better to reference the libcom interview to its original source, viewpointmag.
It's great to have images on the article, I would say right now the images slightly interfere with reading pleasure. They could be made smaller and maybe pruned a bit.
I hope these comments are helpful in getting the article published on wikipedia! Mujinga (talk) 21:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Great, thank you so much! I will work on these in the coming days
- great let me know if you need a hand with it. by the way on wikipedia talkpages, we sign our posts using
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, known as the four tildes - you should see a button to press to inset them between the edit box and the edit summary box, if that makes any sense at all! Mujinga (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- great let me know if you need a hand with it. by the way on wikipedia talkpages, we sign our posts using
- did a bunch of updates! would love some more feedback whenever you get a chance. thank you so much for helping me cull my sources. guessing i may need to cut more, but would love to get your eyes on it again! MariaElle (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- nice one the article is looking much improved! what jumps out at me right now is that there are still a lot of links to outside wikipedia, since within the main article links should only point to another article in wikipedia (or be in a citation). so for example you've got Planting Justice which could just be Planting Justice and the videos section would probably best be deleted. Mujinga (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
ignorable advice
[edit]I tripped over you as I was on Mujinga's page. My own advice might be that you should draft this down to the best two paragraphs with some solid refs that explain why this is notable. Put the rest to one side. There are editors who have written a hundred a so articles or more who could publish an article of this length but you are going to face a lot of minor points and the major point is notability. You can persuade the community that this article is notable in a couple of paragraphs (or not) .... get that published THEN add the rest of the stuff and learn about other style issues. Good luck Victuallers (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you I will do this! MariaElle (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- This was good advice from Victuallers. The article was assessed and not accepted due to it not having an encyclopedic tone, so I've rewritten it a bit, I think it's ok now. See what you think MariaElle, when you are happy with it I'd say resubmit it. Anything that I've changed is not "lost", it will be in the edit history. Mujinga (talk) 17:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes this looks great!! Thank you so much Mujinga. This is exactly the kind of help I needed, then hopefully I can add more stuff and learn more about wikipedia style/culture/rules. I appreciate your help, and would love to ask you a few more questions later if/when the submission is approved. Thanks so much again! MariaElle (talk) 21:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sure thing MariaElle I'm happy to answer any questions if I can. So just to be clear it's not resubmitted yet, I didn't do that for you. And it might get knocked back again, that's just part of the process, but I think if you do resubmit it, it should be accepted this time round (and if not then we can work on it some more) Mujinga (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Great, just resubmitted. Thanks Mujinga! MariaElle (talk) 01:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sure thing MariaElle I'm happy to answer any questions if I can. So just to be clear it's not resubmitted yet, I didn't do that for you. And it might get knocked back again, that's just part of the process, but I think if you do resubmit it, it should be accepted this time round (and if not then we can work on it some more) Mujinga (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes this looks great!! Thank you so much Mujinga. This is exactly the kind of help I needed, then hopefully I can add more stuff and learn more about wikipedia style/culture/rules. I appreciate your help, and would love to ask you a few more questions later if/when the submission is approved. Thanks so much again! MariaElle (talk) 21:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- This was good advice from Victuallers. The article was assessed and not accepted due to it not having an encyclopedic tone, so I've rewritten it a bit, I think it's ok now. See what you think MariaElle, when you are happy with it I'd say resubmit it. Anything that I've changed is not "lost", it will be in the edit history. Mujinga (talk) 17:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you I will do this! MariaElle (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]- Earwig shows no copyvio.
- Pictures in the article are relevant and free.
- Short, but informative article. Happy to pass once the above points are addressed.
— Golden call me maybe? 22:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi Golden, thanks a lot for taking on the review. I co-nominated with the page creator MariaElle so if it's ok I'll wait a for them to join and answer the comments as it's their first GA nomination. Mujinga (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Mujinga: Of course, take your time. — Golden call me maybe? 11:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Golden thanks for your patience - I just thought yesterday to send MariaElle an email via "Email a user" so perhaps we can see if they are online over the weekend, if not I can start to answer next week. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 08:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update! Sounds good. Cheers! — Golden call me maybe? 17:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Golden I've made a start and if MariaElle pops up as a US-Eng speaker then all the better, stopping here for now but have time to hopefully get this wrapped up this week, cheers Mujinga (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- There's now answers on every query. Also I did a sweep to see if there were any new sources and found a few more bits to add in. Mujinga (talk) 22:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was away traveling. Thank you so much for these edits, they look great!! My only feedback was replacing "communities Maroon" with "Maroon communities." Dunno if that's a Br-Eng thing, but "communities Maroon" sounds odd in US-Eng. Thanks again for all your work on this! MariaElle (talk) 16:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- There's now answers on every query. Also I did a sweep to see if there were any new sources and found a few more bits to add in. Mujinga (talk) 22:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Golden I've made a start and if MariaElle pops up as a US-Eng speaker then all the better, stopping here for now but have time to hopefully get this wrapped up this week, cheers Mujinga (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update! Sounds good. Cheers! — Golden call me maybe? 17:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Golden thanks for your patience - I just thought yesterday to send MariaElle an email via "Email a user" so perhaps we can see if they are online over the weekend, if not I can start to answer next week. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 08:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Most points have been resolved. I have one more additional concern with the History and Closure sections which I've noted above. — Golden call me maybe? 21:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Golden thanks for the answers - I'm just popping in now and prob won't be online much over the weekend, so hopefully MariaElle has a chance to finish up the review (sorry if it's fixing errors I just introduced). Cheers to you both, Mujinga (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- "In honor of" instead of "because of" is a welcome edit, though the grammar will have to be adjusted accordingly. Nice catch, thank you! MariaElle (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- I have just made this update, let me know if I missed anything! MariaElle (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi MariaElle, I think there's two points still open above, I've marked them with a ? Mujinga (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Great, thank you! Just made updates to the first sentence and to the sentence about Ghost Ship (where the two ?s were) - let me know if I missed anything else! MariaElle (talk) 06:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Nice one MariaElle, by the way making edits minor (marked with m) should only be for things like adding a comma or deleting whitespace, your edits were substantial and should have an edit summary which says what you have done. I think we've done everything now, so paging @Golden:. Mujinga (talk) 10:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Mujinga and MariaElle: All of my concerns have been addressed satisfactorily. Thank you! I am pleased to approve this article as a Good Article. Have a great day! — Golden call me maybe? 14:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Nice one MariaElle, by the way making edits minor (marked with m) should only be for things like adding a comma or deleting whitespace, your edits were substantial and should have an edit summary which says what you have done. I think we've done everything now, so paging @Golden:. Mujinga (talk) 10:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Great, thank you! Just made updates to the first sentence and to the sentence about Ghost Ship (where the two ?s were) - let me know if I missed anything else! MariaElle (talk) 06:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi MariaElle, I think there's two points still open above, I've marked them with a ? Mujinga (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- I have just made this update, let me know if I missed anything! MariaElle (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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