Talk:R33S (New York City Subway car)

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Discussions:

Moved, 4 November 2012, from R33 World's Fair (New York City Subway car) to R33 World's Fair, see discussion.
No consensus, 27 July 2013, from R33 World's Fair to R33 World's Fair subway car, see discussion.

Comments

See discussion at: Category talk:New York City Subway passenger equipment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobblewik (talk • contribs) 21:00, 18 September 2005‎ (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: Move. The proposed title already redirects here and isn't ambiguous with any other article. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

R33 World's Fair (New York City Subway car) → R33 World's Fair – There is no reason to disambiguate the page, per WP:DAB. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – the "disambiguation" gives the title meaning, recognizability, and precision, without hurting anything or being over-precise. Dicklyon (talk) 03:55, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Move discussion in progress

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Just testing

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Vcohen (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 105#Curious result when comparing the SUBJECTPAGENAME variable with the actual page name – Wbm1058 (talk) 14:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Vcohen (talk) 15:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 16:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

– A title should give some clue to the article's topic, per the precision and recognizability criteria at WP:AT. Relisted. BDD (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC) Dicklyon (talk) 04:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why not R33 World's Fair (New York City Subway car) and R36 World's Fair (New York City Subway car), like almost all the category? Vcohen (talk) 14:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, why not? They were moved from those titles over my opposition, with little support. My impression is that putting New York in there is more precision than required, and that a naturally unambiguous title is better than one with a parenthetical disambiguator, but I wouldn't object if people prefer to go back to that. I hadn't looked at the category. Dicklyon (talk) 16:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's make something consistent across all the category, for example R33 World's Fair (subway car), R36 World's Fair (subway car), Deck Roof (subway car), R22 (subway car), R143 (subway car) and so on. Vcohen (talk) 08:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. – Dicklyon (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. In looking for references, I see that these are just called R33 World's Fair. The purpose of the article is to explain what they are. We call things by their name, and do not for example, call the Chrysler car company, Chrysler automobile company. Apteva (talk) 04:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's awesome; show us those references, so we can cite them, please. I have not been able to find any but wiki mirrors that call them that. Dicklyon (talk) 04:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Already added. See article history. I also found a subway wiki, but did not consider it suitable. Apteva (talk) 01:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You mean the Redbirds ref that you added? It calls them "R33 WF", "R36 WF", and "the World's Fair cars". And it's some guy's personal site; hardly a reliable source for anything, much less a COMMONNAME claim that it doesn't even support. Dicklyon (talk) 03:49, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Changing "R33WF" to "R33S"

According to MTA documents during the 1980s, when all old cars were being overhauled, the "R33WF" cars were constantly referred to as R33S. By extension, all R36s (whether they had the R33-style windows or the R32-style ones) were referred to as R36s.

@Kew Gardens 613: do you have any thoughts on moving the page. I have already made an edit that can be reverted to in the case we agree to move the page from R33WF to R33S. Mtattrain (talk) 15:40, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mtattrain: I am fine with this, but I think this needs to be discussed more thoroughly at WP:NYCPT. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page has been renamed successfully based on designation. Davidng913 (talk) 23:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]