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Former good article Rama was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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History of Rama worship[edit]

When did the worship of Rama begin ? How old is the oldest Rama temple in India or for that matter in Southeast Asia ?Jonathansammy (talk)

As long as we're discussing this, is the standard spelling Sri Ram or Sriram ? (If both are used, perhaps it would be a good idea to agree on a consistent one.) – AndyFielding (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

It should have been Sriram. Thanks for pointing outJonathansammy (talk) 23:19, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Grammar questions[edit]

I have questions about two sections of paragraph 2:

The phenomenon of an avatar is observed in Hinduism, Ayyavazhi, and Sikhism.

These faiths describe multiple avatars (divine incarnations). So rather than "an avatar" (in religion, characteristically implying a generic reference to a unique occurrence, as "the phenomenon of a divine birth" in Christianity), shouldn't this say "The phenomena of avatars..." (plural) or "The phenomenon of the avatar..." (as one would say "The diamond is a form of carbon") ?

Avatar is regarded as one of the core principles of Hinduism.

Similarly, shouldn't this be "The avatar..." (describing a principle) ?
I haven't presumed to make any of these changes, as there are others here with much greater knowledge of the topic. – AndyFielding (talk) 18:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Kuldevata[edit]

Are there any instances where Rama is worshipped as the family deity ( Kuldevata) ?Jonathansammy (talk) 22:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Puranic Claims of Date of Lord Ramachandra's appearance[edit]

I know the issue has been raised about the date of Lord Rama's birth. The other authors were trying to make a point of historical truth. I am not. The point should be made in this article that the Puranas state that Lord Rama appeared in the 24th yuga cycle. As your other article states, the puranic estimate of our current date is in the 28th yuga cycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_time#The_current_date

There are 2 specific sources for the Lord Rama's appearance in the 24th yuga cycle:

Vayu Purana (70.47-48), Matsya Purana (47/240,243-246)

Amalag (talk) 16:03, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Rama Rajya[edit]

Can anyone make sense of the first paragraph of the 'Rama Rajya' section? The first few sentences are fine, but then we get a long string of capitalised words in ungrammatical sentences, and I really can't work out the meaning. The section I have a problem with is:

"Rama’s birthday is Celebrated as Rama Navami (On Chaitra Shukla Navami, Punarvasu Nakshatra fourth Pada) as Rama Born On that Day. Rama Navami is also the Same Day as the Day Of Killing Demon Ravana and Successfully Returning Victorious Rama to Ayodhya With Sita, Lakshmana, Hanuma, Sugriva, Jambavantha, Angadha etc., from Completing his Exile Period and then Rama's Coronation(Saamraajya Pattabhisekham) Ceremony took Place on the Following Day or very Next Day when returned from Exile On Chaitra Shukla Dasami, Pushya Constellation (Chaitra Shukla Dasami, Pushyami Constellation, the same Muhurtha kept for Rama’s Coronation which is given by Dasaratha and Vasista before Rama’s 14 years of Exile, Padhuka Pattabhisekham [happened before Rama completing his exile time] done by Rama’s brother Bharatha, when then Ayodhya is ruled by his Padhuka or Rama shoes till the end of 14 years exile time period of Rama returning Ayodhya) which is on Darmaraja Dasami day after Rama Navami day, Lord Rama and his virtues besides, his popular regime ‘Rama Raajyam' to mark DharmaRaja Dashami as part of Sri RamaNavami as 'Ramo Vigrahavan Dharmah' Which Means Rama is The Embodiment Of Dharma Or Dharma has taken a form of Ramachandrah , It is the Happiest and Unforgettable Day to Every Hindu."

I suspect that last claim - "It is the Happiest and Unforgettable Day to Every Hindu" - is a highly subjective judgement too - 'the happiest day' for 'every Hindu'? I don't know anywhere near enough to rewrite this myself, but at the moment, I can't really see how anyone can learn anything by reading this. Can anyone help?

Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 10:38, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Ravana as Rakshasas[edit]

In the article it is repeatedly mentioned that the king Ravana as a Rakshasas. The fact is Ravana was never a Rakshasa but a Brahmin. People out of ignorance called him a Rakshasa. Though in some scriptures Ravana is called a person of "Rakshasa charcter" or simply "evil character" because he kidnapped someone else's wife . But it does not make him a Rakshasas. Rakshasas are demonic beings and maneaters. I am deleting content saying Ravana as a Rakshasa Rotor37 (talk) 03:06, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what Ravana was, but I am sure that "Rakshasa" is a contentious WP:LABEL. We should not be using willy-nilly. I support the clean-up. - Kautilya3 (talk) 08:04, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
This strange assertion that Ravana was never a Rakshasa goes against all known scholarshipand is WP:OR. Survey of some encylopedias (opening definitions of Ravana):
  • Puranic encyclopedia by Vettam Mani p. 645: "The Raksasa King of Lanka who had ten heads"
  • Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of World Religions p. 909: "... wealthy, demonic (raksasa) king"
  • The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism by James G. Lochtefeld p. 568: "Ravana is the ten headed demon king of Lanka"
  • Encyclopedia of Hinduism by Constance A. Jones and James D. Ryan p. 394: "the demon king Ravana"
  • Epic Mythology By Edward Washburn Hopkins pp. 39-41: Describes Ravana in Rakshasa section.

Translations of the epics:

It's true that Ravana was born of a Brahmana father (Rishi Vishravas) and a Rakshashaa mother (Kekasi), but he was also indeed the King of Rakshashaas. I don't know what to make of Ravana's Varna. Ravana calls himself 'rakSo gaNa iishvaraH' (Lord of Rakshasha) in Valmiki Ramayana-3-47-26. Also, Vishwamirta uses the phrase 'raavaNo naama raakSasaH' (Rakshasaa named Ravana) in Valmiki Ramayana-1-20-16. Crawford88 (talk) 04:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

I propose to merge Rama in Jainism into this article since both talks about the same person. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 20:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

No, Maybe a link in main Rama article as {{main article}} template. The person may be same, but the narratives are different. Crawford88 (talk) 04:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

The words above the infobox picture[edit]

They seem a bit vague to me, could they be changed to something more concise like in Shiva or Lakshmi? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Those are his (Rama's) honorifics. Crawford88 (talk) 12:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for replying! Ok, if that´s so (I didn´t find anything expanded on or mentioned about these honorifics in the body of article, but maybe I missed it), maybe put "Honorifics:" above them? "Morality" and "Virtue" don´t sound exactly like honorifics, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying.. The thing is Rama is often also called, मर्यादा-पुरुशोत्तम् (maryAdA-purushottam; lit. 'Exemplar of propriety' also see Purushottama). But I do agree that other things written there are irrelevant. Infact, the words come under the key 'deity_of', which IMHO is not correct. Crawford88 (talk) 05:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)