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Sales hit 6.9 million[edit] Im2duvi (talk) 10:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Updated. Thephatphilmz (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


Perhaps a section can detail that the game is historically incorrect; ie the weapons are historically incorrect (ie regarding the scopes, ... see Remington Rolling Block rifle —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a fictional game. This is close to WP:FORUM. Guiltlessgecko (talk) 20:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
While it is no easy task when attachment points are not provided, a scope can be attached to literally any firearm. So long as the attachment is completely firm and immobile, all that remains is for the scope to be adjusted for accuracy. (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

any reviews out there for the characters?[edit]

List of characters in Red Dead Redemption is up for deletion now, do to the fact that most characters don't get any reviews. Are all of the characters significant in the game, or does it just focus around one guy? If you know of any reviews that mention the other characters in more than passing, please point me in that direction. Thank you. Dream Focus 22:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Try [], it's got everything you need to know about the game. It's also got a brilliant page on the characters in both Redemption and Revolver. Deely1 12:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


In the article it states the Undead Nightmare DLC is said to be released on Oct. 26.. Is there a source for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Windows XP version release date[edit]

When will it be out for Windows XP ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not coming out for PC. See [1]. --Teancum (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Controversy added[edit]

So I decided to add the controversies. I only outlined it, so people may add to it. Please do not delete it, just fix if neccasary Thephatphilmz (talk) 03:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I added something similar, it seems like the Politburo are hard at work on this page, despite the fact that the game is faulty. Pathetic. daithi81 (talk) 22:56, 12 December 2010 (GMT)

See WP:CIVIL. Geoff B (talk) 23:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

You said that I didn't cite a reliable source. So, Rockstar aren't a reliable source on a game they created? Interesting. daithi81 (talk) 22:56, 12 December 2010 (GMT)

I notice that Fallout: New Vegas article has a similar section. Any thoughts?

daithi81 (talk) 14:00, 06 Jan 2011 (GMT)

Windows version[edit]

Wait a minute. The following statement does NOT say if it will come out for Windows or not, see ( Red Dead Redemption is one of the best games of the year. Heck, it's my favourite game of the year so far. But I own a console. If you own only a PC and want in on the action, well...

Look, we never like to say never, but the chances of a PC port of the Western adventure look remote. with a Rockstar admin writing on the company's news site "As of now, there are no current plans to bring Red Dead Redemption to the PC platform. If that should change, we will let you know".

PC owners will of course be familiar with the now traditional 6-12 month delay in porting big Rockstar games to the platform, so this isn't the end of the road for your hopes and prayers. That said, we don't often see Rockstar being so blunt about things, either.

ALAN WAKE IS IN DOUBT, HEAVY RAIN IS IN DOUBT AND NOW THEY GONNA F... us by not releasing Red Dead Redemption for Windows?? Why dont they just as well STOP making games for Windows if they gonna treat us like sh*t ? Perhaps someone should REMIND Rockstar where GTA was first released once upon a time?! Red Dead Redemption = GTA wild west style. AND TO TOP IT ALL ONE OF THE BEST GAMES 2010, who knows maybe Rockstar went insane in the end and are no longer interested in making money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC) [Buy a 360 you big girl. (talk) 00:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)]

Edit request from Mrlife, 23 January 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} In the Reception section, change "According to Eurogamer, Red Dead Redemption sold over 5 million units in May and June,[53] and nearly 8 million copies to date.[54]" to "According to Eurogamer, Red Dead Redemption shipped over 5 million units in May and June,[53] and nearly 8 million copies to date.[54]" since those numbers are for shipped product not sold product according to the sources. Thanks! Mrlife (talk) 16:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 06:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Game of the Year Edition[edit]

Just discovered this, I think I might be one of the first to have found it, pretty much confirms a GotY edition with at least the contents of the Undead Nightmare Disc.

Release date of March 1st. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Over 100 Game Of The Year Awards[edit]

I had added a note that the game got over 100 Game Of The Year awards, which was reverted. The source was admittedly just a blog and as such not reputable, but it contained direct links to almost each one of the 100 awards. Can I put the note back in and randomly pick 5 or so of those direct links? What's the proper procedure here? Getting 100 GOTY awards is certainly notable and quite different from "several", as the article currently reads. EboMike (talk) 07:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Game Informer “PC” thing[edit]

So, Game Informer incorrectly showed PC among the platforms. But the whole thing looks a little suspicious for me. I mean, everywhere is the same low-quality picture of the magazine’s page with PS3, Xbox 360 and PC platforms (PC marked with yellow), and we even don’t know who made this picture. Could someone check Game Informer’s April 2010 issue to make sure that PC really was listed there? Creo11 (talk) 09:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Red Dead Redemption: Game of the Year Edition[edit]

New version Red Dead Redemption: Game of the Year Edition - the definitive, complete Red Dead Redemption experience that includes all the free and paid downloadable content packs released to date - is now available at retail stores in North America for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Rockstar Newswire. -- (talk) 04:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Red Dead Redemption/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
GA review (see here for criteria)

First off, let me say that I'm stoked someone wants to get this amazing game passed as a Good Article. I spent many an hour playing RDR and hope to see it promoted. That being said, I still have to review it fairly, and there are some issues that currently keep it from passing. Below you'll see my list of issues I've found, and if I'm still working on finding problems, the Doing... symbol. Please do not wait until I'm done reviewing to fix these issues. In fact, I'd much prefer given the number of them so far that you start right away.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Issues found[edit]

  • Per WP:LEAD and WP:LEADCITE everything in the lead should appear in the body of the article, and references should not be in the lead if they can be referenced in the article. Therefore there should be no references in the lead.
YesY (x)
Quick comment I don't see any issues of it here, but for future reference, the lead can contain references if a.) the information may be questioned, or b.) there's a quote. I only mention this because it sounded like there should be no references at all. --JDC808 16:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
  • There's a similar issue in the infobox. Euphoria as an AI engine is never spoken of in the prose, and RAGE is barely mentioned. Please expand the prose for these two parts of the overall engine and move the references out of the infobox. The citations for release dates can stay.
YesY (x)
  • Yes check.svg Done I further clarified what Euphoria is. --Teancum (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
  • The gameplay section is sorely lacking in references, and the bullet point section seems unnecessary. These points feel like they could collectively be described in 1-2 sentences of prose.
YesY Bullet points (x)
YesY (x/x/x/x/x/x/x/x)
  • For clarification all instances of posse should be singular and the first wikilinked. Right now it looks like posses, as in having ownership of something.
YesY (x) However, to have ownership of something, it's "possess". "Posses" is just the plural for "posse". Confusing and annoying, but true.
  • X mark.svg Not done This can still be reworked so all instances read as singular to avoid confusion. --Teancum (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
YesY (x)
YesY (x)
  • There is no reference for the NASCAR endorsement in the Marketing section
YesY (x)
  • Yes check.svg Done, though I removed one dubious reference --Teancum (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
  • "Swimming is not an option, as the player character cannot swim" -- this is redundant, and the whole issue of whether they can swim seems largely irrelevant except to fans of the game. Unless there were some critical commentary on the need to be able to swim I see no need to have this included.
  • The Reception section is largely a quote farm, which is a potential WP:COPYVIO issue. It needs to be restructured to rely less on quotes. It also should be expanded and more organized, perhaps by type of commentary (gameplay, graphics, etc). Right now it's a jump from one media outlet to the next. There is also no need to list the score directly in the prose (with the exception of GameRankings and Metacritic scores) as it's already in the sidebar.
½YesY (x) I got rid of some quotes, but it probably still needs more fixing up?
JDC808 clarified that some one or two word quotes ("amazing", "stunning", etc.) can be used. Excluding these small quotes, there are only about three or four proper quotes left in the Reception section, which seems acceptable. --Rhain1999 (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
It's still not organized per my above. It has no flow, but jumps from reviewer to reviewer with the same gist of "[x] said [y]" (even if it's not a direct quote). Take a look at X-Men Legends#Reception. Paragraphs are organized by such things as commentary on gameplay, multiplayer gameplay, graphics, sound, story, etc. That's what needs to happen here. --Teancum (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
YesY (x) I tried. I'm not sure how well I did. --Rhain1999 (talk) 14:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Authors should be cited for quotes and commentary. For example, IGN doesn't have a mouth, but the reviewer, Erik Brudvig does.
½YesY (x) Obviously, it's a bit hard to go through every single reference and see who wrote them all really quickly, but I fixed all of the IGN ones. I'll go through the rest soon.
YesY (x)
  • Some references are missing authors, access dates, date of publication, publisher, etc. Also, the publisher is not the website, but the owner of that site. For example, not, but Computer And Video Games; not, but Rockstar Games. Publishers should be wikilinked in the reference as well where possible (not a redlink).
YesY (x)
  • In this instance WP:QUOTEs (either single ' or double ") should only be used when citing a direct quote or listing a song name. Singular words like 'honor' and "Dead-Eye" should have these things removed. This paragraph in particular has an issue:
  • At the 2010 Spike Video Game Awards, Red Dead Redemption won the "Game of the Year", "Best Song in a Game ("Far Away" by José González)", "Best Original Score" and "Best DLC (Undead Nightmare)" awards and some critics have called the game's music score among the most influential in the history of video games.Yes check.svg DoneX mark.svg Not done
  • To clarify, the only thing that should have quotes is "Far Away", as it's the title of a song. Only direct quotes from people and songs should double quotes (") in this case, and nothing should have single quotes ('). --Teancum (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
  • In this instance "Game of the Year", "Best Original Score", etc should not be wikilinked
YesY (x) I think I got them all.
  • Yes check.svg Done There were a few stragglers left, but I got em'. --Teancum (talk) 14:01, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Whole numbers under 10 should be spelled out as words, except when in lists, tables or infoboxes (WP:NUMERAL)
  • Short, 1-2 sentence paragraphs or short sections should be merged with other paragraphs/sections if possible (WP:LAYOUT)
  • Is there nothing else on the soundtrack? It seems a great soundtrack like this would have more written about it. It might be a good idea to mention the awards for "Far Away" here briefly, or discuss any reviews for the soundtrack. Perhaps mention more on the composition, such as any unique instruments, famous artists who had input, etc. For instance, the idea of playing the trumpet against a drum is show in the YouTube reference provided.
½YesY (x) You should have a look and tell me what you think should be added to it.
  • Yes check.svg Done Good enough. I expanded on it. --Teancum (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Quick comment One word quotes are acceptable if the word would not normally be used in these articles to describe things, e.g. fantastic, amazing, etc. --JDC808 16:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Rhain1999 (talk) 02:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Dead web references should not be removed if they cannot be replaced, but an archived version is preferred if available (WP:DEADREF). These are the dead links, but odds are you can find reliable sources to replace most, if not all, of them.
YesY (x/x/x)
  • X mark.svg Not done There is still one more, ref #34 (GAME Australia). --Teancum (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
YesY (x)
  • What makes the following reliable sources:, GamerCenterOnline, Aeropause Games, Game Rant
YesY (x)
  • Initial check says most things are good, but IMDB is not a reliable source since it relies on user-submitted content. I'd suggest using this (Established reliable video game sources) custom Google search to find a replacement.
YesY (x)
YesY (x)
  • Nintendo Everything is used to cite a Game Informer score. Just cite the issue of the actual magazine (or online review) instead. No need for a source that cites another source.
YesY (x)
YesY (x/x)

New issues April 4

YesY (x)
"*Yes check.svg Done --Teancum (talk) 14:01, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
  • In the lead "ranking it #3" should be "ranking it third"
YesY (x)
"*Yes check.svg Done --Teancum (talk) 14:01, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Reviewer: Teancum (talk · contribs) 13:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I can't believe how much effort you're putting into all this! It's midnight here, so I'll fix a few now, but when I wake up, I'll be sure to do heaps more. :) Rhain1999 (talk) 14:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Not a problem. Though in the above, please just reply to one of the points letting me know when you've worked on something. I'd like to use Yes check.svg Done for my own confirmation after I've checked the updates. Thanks! --Teancum (talk) 15:56, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I think I might just put YesY when I change something, and then the notes (if needed) after it. A yellow tick stands out much more than a bunch of notes mixed up with other notes! :P Rhain1999 (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
So, as far as I'm concerned, I've fixed pretty much every problem that you've noted, but it still says Doing..., so I guess I just have to wait until you've noted every problem? :) Rhain1999 (talk) 10:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm still looking over the prose. The Reception section still needs reworking. It's still a quote farm and basically follows "[website] gave the game [score], [insert random quote]". It doesn't cover the aspects that critics liked/disliked and is borderline WP:COPYVIO due to the sheer amount of quotes and (some of) their sizes. --Teancum (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

COMPLETE - The article review is now complete. Anything remaining still needs to be addressed, but otherwise we're finished. Great work on taking care of things so quickly! --Teancum (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I don't think there's too many above problems to be addressed, but I'll get to the remaining ones as soon as I can! Thank you for being so helpful and giving me such good feedback to use! This is a great game, and the article deserves to be equally as great. :) —Rhain1999 (talk) 02:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

So, what does this mean for the article? Pass or fail? Or are there still some remaining problems? --Rhain1999 (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

It'll be passed. I have a few nitpicks I'm cleaning up, but nothing I'll make you take care of. They're just things that are easy for me to do that will prep it if the article ever gets nominated to be a featured article. --Teancum (talk) 15:24, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your co-operation in this! You've been a wonderful reviewer, very nice, and explained all the problems really well. Thank you so much. :) --Rhain1999 (talk) 02:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I've reverted your edits. It's still technically not a Good Article. I said I will pass it, but that doesn't mean it's ready yet. I'm still tweaking edits and cleaning. Also, the nominator should never pass their own article. --Teancum (talk) 09:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, I should have taken a better look. Your work has been excellent, but the tweaks have been much more than just tweaks thus far. As this is my bad (and you've busted your chops to get so much done) I will make the final adjustments, grammar repairs, etc. When I'm done I'll promote it. --Teancum (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
My apologies for taking action without asking first, especially in this situation where action should not have been taken by me. Thank you for being so kind over this process of fixing up this article; it deserves to be a really good article and I'm happy that you've taken the time to help that happen. Also, if you need some help with some of the tweaks, or if you want me to fix some more things up, feel free to tell me. I may have worked hard on this article, but what I've done may seem pretty simple in the eyes of some, and I'm happy to help. Thank you. --Rhain1999 (talk) 14:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC) :)

 Pass --Teancum (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

GTA Clone?[edit]

I note yet again that I have provided two reliable sources calling this a Grand Theft Auto clone. The category has consensus, and there are plenty of broader context arguments (please don't make me copy-paste them) at: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 October 10#Category:Grand Theft Auto clones. Since both antagonists here are ignoring these arguments (and one has been involved in that discussion), I'll assume they are persuaded. The info is WP:V and should be represented per WP:NPOV. If it really is WP:FRINGE, I at least want to see the "100s" of sources calling it an "an open world western action-adventure". bridies (talk) 03:26, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

In addition to my previous objection that the only cited sources are passing references in reviews of unrelated games, I would also like to note following comment by Hahnchen on the matter:
Out of the hundreds of sources for Red Dead Redemption, only two describe it as a GTA clone, neither of them has RDR as the subject. If you Google "red dead redemption" "grand theft auto clone", the first link is Grand Theft Auto clone, the second is User:Bridies/Sandbox/GTA. A user page sandbox out ranking every reliable source shows how this is non-standard terminology. In this edit, I am told that all views should be represented as per WP:NPOV, but the categorisation of RDR as a GTA Clone is clearly WP:FRINGE. [2].
I feel like that is a pretty good summation of why adding GTA clone as genre to this article, or video game article, is problematic. -- Calidum 02:14, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Again the same thing happens if one Googles "red dead redemption open world western action adventure": Wiki and cites copy-pasting Wiki. And again, crucially, I am still waiting for a single source placing this game in an "open world action adventure" genre, let alone the "hundreds" which will "clearly" demonstrate that the claim for it as a GTA clone is FRINGE. bridies (talk) 18:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
As per your request, I have found some sources that refer to the game as either "Western" or "action adventure": the Red Dead Wiki, GameSpot, IGN, Eurogamer, G4TV, Metacritic, Giant Bomb,, GameTrailers, VentureBeat, The Huffington Post, and a bunch of other websites. And this is just within the first four pages of a Google search; there are plenty more sources out there. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 20:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
No, that was not my request. I am requesting sources which call it an "open world western action adventure", or at least "open world action adventure". Still waiting. bridies (talk) 04:38, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, I purposefully didn't look for sources stating that it's an open world game, since that doesn't need sourcing. It's a clear fact.
Secondly, we don't need a source that strictly names the game an "open world Western action adventure"; if it's named "open world" by one source, "action adventure" by another, and "Western" by another, then that's enough. They don't need to use the entire quote, if that's what you mean. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 06:38, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, we do. Yet again we see a complete lack of understanding of the most basic Wikipedia policy, here. Per WP:SYNTH, you cannot take 2 seperate claims (open world; action adventure) and stick them together to create a new genre. If one is claiming that the notion of this game as a GTA clone is FRINGE because it is "clearly", per "hundreds of sources", an "open world action adventure" (as in a genre), then you need to prove it with sources which explicitly say that. You cannot originally synthesise two seperate terms. Open-world we do not currently treat as a genre, and either way it is hugely broad, encompassing everything from Minecraft to MMOs to MMOFPSs. Action adventure contains everything from GTA clones to Metal Gear (also a stealth game) to ToeJam & Earl (also a Roguelike - uh, oh, is that a term implying copying? Better go delete the article/cat/mentions of that, too). Neither of these terms, individually, are mutually exclusive with "GTA clone". If you have "hundreds of sources", calling it an "open-world action adventure", and that's what the genre (otherwise called "GTA clone") should be called, prove it. bridies (talk) 07:21, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay, let's get back to basics. The first sentence of the article says: "Red Dead Redemption is an open world, western action-adventure video game", while the "Genre" section of the Infobox simply states "Action-adventure" as the core genre; Grand Theft Auto V, a featured article, takes the exact same approach (excluding the word "western", for obvious reasons), as do multiple other articles. I personally like it this way; the first sentence isn't strictly saying "This is the genre", but it's letting readers know that the game is an open world Western game (though not necessarily of these genres), while the infobox is letting readers know exactly what genre it is (action-adventure). You take that how you like. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 09:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
WP:SYNTH is about as basic as it gets. So, again, why does that preclude also having Grand Theft Auto clone in the infobox? ToeJam & Earl, also a featured article, has action adventure, dungeon crawler and roguelike all in the infobox. More importantly, why does that preclude it going in the GTA clone category? Probably every other action adventure article is in more than one genre category. The only reason given for it not being so in this case is that GTA clone is supposedly WP:FRINGE. Still waiting for someone to provide these "hundreds of sources" to "clearly" prove this. 09:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I think you've made an excellent point here, but the problem is that a quick Google search responds with multiple results stating that ToeJam & Earl belongs under the Roguelike genre, while there are very few sources that mention Red Dead Redemption‍ '​s status as a Grand Theft Auto clone. In saying that, I don't really have a problem with the article belonging in the category; I just don't really feel that it belongs in the infobox, for reasons stated above. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 09:52, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
The WP:SYNTH argument is a distraction. If a wolf is bad, and a wolf is big, describing it as "a big, bad wolf" is not synth. I'm fine with describing RDR using the same terms as GTA, that it is an "open world action-adventure". That's two things. There are so many reliable sources describing it as such, I thought bridies was trolling when he asked for examples, but it looks like he genuinely believed that I was pushing open world Western action-adventure as a new genre. - hahnchen 16:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Shall I just quote the policy for you verbatim? Like I had to do with SUBJECTIVECAT? Here is WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source." Right, so what is the genre? Action adventure? Why are we not more specific, as the case for every other action adventure game. I have again cited sources for including Grand Theft Auto clone; you have nothing other than "clearly, clearly. Clearly." bridies (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
And then can we at least have cited these "so many" sources which place it in the genre of "open world action adventure"? How about a few? Again. bridies (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Describing a wolf as "big, bad" is not synth. It's an essay, but there are some examples here, here & here which may give you a clearer understanding of synth. Please stop repeating this argument. - hahnchen 16:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Bridies, do you actually believe RDR is not an open world adventure game (or whatever the article calls it)? Or are you just arguing to make a point? -- Calidum 18:25, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Calidum, I'm beginning to think you simply can't read. Here, is WP:SYNTH, verbatim, yet again: Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. What you are doing is neither summarising or simple juxtaposition (and that is a mere essay) you are again claiming this as a genre (combining different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source) in order to exclude GTA clone. So again, provide the sources to prove it. bridies (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Gameplay screenshot[edit]

As was pointed out to me in a recent edit, the article doesn't actually have a screenshot of gameplay; the only image (excluding the cover art) is a promotional screenshot. As such, I have found four screenshots that I believe could be suitable: Option 1, Option 2, Option 3 and Option 4. Can I get some input, or some alternative options? I believe the horse-riding element should be included in the image, but I'm open to suggestions. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 03:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Any other thoughts? CR4ZE, X201, czar, SNUGGUMS? -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 01:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm partial to P3 for its variety, crispness. P2 a distant second. Perhaps a more iconic scene could make a good shot? czar  01:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
czar, could you possibly emphasise on what you mean by "more iconic scene"? -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 01:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I meant a scene with sufficient commentary to add a related caption. I'd say that I didn't have something specific in mind, which is the truth, but now that I'm typing, I know if I were choosing I'd be going right for the scenery during the first border crossing into Mexico with a caption about how well that scene was received. That's my bias talking, though. Still think P3 is the best of the four, though. czar  01:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, czar. I agree that an iconic scene such as the crossing of the border into Mexico would be a great idea. Therefore, I have taken three screenshots from that scene that I believe could be suitable: Option 1, Option 2 and Option 3. Do you think one of these would be suitable, or do you still prefer P3 above? -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 07:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Nice. The first one could work, but the latter two appear to be highly compressed (if taking a shot from YouTube, I'd crank the quality to 720/1080 from the gear icon first). New P1 or old P3 are the best options, in my book. It's also possible that I like old P3 because its size hasn't been reduced yet, which could kill its detail czar  14:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and obtained better quality versions of the newer screenshots (P1, P2, P3). I've also reduced the size of old P3 (here). Any definitive preference yet, czar? -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 01:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Go ahead and include any of those images as long as you can explain their significance adequately in a FUR. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:16, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Original pics 2 or 3 for me. The new ones - while sharper and crisper than the first batch - have the player character in too much shadow for my liking. - X201 (talk) 09:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
That's a good point. Although I can agree that there is too much shadow, I feel as though including a screenshot from the crossing into Mexico is really suitable, and it might even be able to go in the Reception section; I've already found enough critical statements that display how well the scene was received. Would you be able to agree with this if I managed to find a screenshot from this scene that doesn't involve much shadow? -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 09:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
The shadow is just a comment about the first thing that struck me. Crossing into Mexico is a good choice, its a key moment in the game and there should be a good supply of sources (look backs, re-plays etc) for it as well. - X201 (talk) 14:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
The second Mexico shot to me is a definite no. The third one I like, the first I think is excellent. However, if your intention was to replace File:RedDeadRedemptionGameplay.jpg, none of them are suitable. They'd be fantastic in the plot section to illustrate a pivotal moment in the story, but they show little of how gameplay works. The other tricky thing to navigate is that the screenshots don't really serve the casual reader. First-glimpse impression is a man on a horse on a desert plain. John's crossing into Mexico is remembered so well partly because of the fantastic performance by José González. I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a short gameplay clip of this moment. There's no policy against having video so long as we respect the NFCC, and it's been allowed with Dishonored.
In terms of serving the gameplay section, I agree with Czar on the third original shot, but am also concerned about how good it will look at low-res. You could play it safe by getting a shot of the Dead Eye ability, or of John doing something morally reprehensible like hogtying a civilian or robbing a train. CR4ZE (tc) 09:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The intention isn't really to replace the existing image, but to include one that features a screenshot of actual gameplay; the image in the article at the moment is only a promotional screenshot. I also agree that including a short video of the journey into Mexico would be good; I can go ahead with this, if anyone else agrees.
As for including an image in the Gameplay section, I actually think a screenshot of the Dead Eye ability would be a suitable idea, showcasing the ability itself, as well as the game's use of guns in combat. I've quickly gone ahead and found three screenshots in Dead Eye: Option 1, Option 2, Option 3. The latter two are also notable; Option 2 features the most memorable and pivotal moment in the game (the final main mission), and Option 3 showcases an actual gunfight in the game, which is a large gameplay feature. Any comments? -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 12:24, 13 December 2014 (UTC)